BuffaloBob Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 47 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: How is this not a HIPPA violation, amazing how quickly Americans give up their freedoms and are OK with it. These vaccines are not even FDA approved yet for standard use, its only emergency use, how the government can demand you take these experimental mRNA vaccines is crazy Yeah, except they aren't ALL mRNA vaccines. Two of them are adenovirus-delivered vaccines and this technology has already been regular (not emergency) approved technology. 1
Blokestradamus Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Kelsayrundefense said: Did you know that your name rhymes with queef? Stop the thread right here. There's no way you're topping this. 2
SCBills Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, teef said: you completely twisted what i said. i think the vaccine works, but it doesn't mean everything is completely back to normal yet. so if people bought the hype, that means they got the vaccine? there's no hype here. it's a decision. it just seems to me that people who choose not to get the vaccine are far more attacking about it that people who have gotten it. some people have been so tricked into think their government is trying to control them...that we're going socialist or communist with these new rules. your freedoms are being taken away! you can accuse people of falling for the hype for taking it, but that is that type of thinking? I can’t imagine why people who couldn’t bury loved ones, go to a wedding, go to church, send their kids to school, gather with family for holidays, open their own businesses and are now threatened with ideological vaccine passports feel like the government is trying to control them... Edited April 13, 2021 by SCBills
Don Otreply Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Including the Vice President who is helping with the rollout of the vaccine, or the governor of NY who signs the checks of the guy whose statement started this thread? Or does skepticism only = low intellect when it fits the side of the fence you’re currently munchin the grass on? Your initial post calling anyone who disagrees with you/this decision of low intellect is pretty telling for how willing and able you are to engage in useful dialogue about your believes and held opinions. I’d encourage you to rethink that. It’s not about me, its about the reality of the current situation, and the best known information we as a species have to counter this virus, it’s not that complicated... 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: If it was just a decision left to private businesses, that's fine. I agree that they should be free to serve or not serve whoever they want for any reason. If the Bills on their own accord want to implement this rule, fine. If it's a condition set by the government, that's where it stops being up to the individual private businesses. I don't think this is unreasonable. This is a fair point. If the Bills are following a county or state regulation then it's not a private business decision. 1
BuffaloBob Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said: This is a fair point. If the Bills are following a county or state regulation then it's not a private business decision. Isn't it their private decision to follow that county or state regulation?
Rochesterfan Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 29 minutes ago, Mrbojanglezs said: My body my choice, thats what they say right? Yep - try that if your a women in the South and see how it works. Southern men are up in arms that someone may suggest that a vaccine must be taken, but god forbid you are transgender or a women - you can even speak to your doctor about certain things unless the men in power allow it. Freedom is funny in how some people in power decide if it impacts them versus women, transgender, people of color - their freedom seems less important. 4 1 1
JaCrispy Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, BuffaloBob said: Isn't it their private decision to follow that county or state regulation? They can if they so choose, but they shouldn’t be forced to do so, for fear of being shut down...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, SCBills said: I can’t imagine why people who couldn’t bury loved ones for months, go to a wedding, send their kids to school, gather with their families for holidays and open their own businesses feel like the government is trying to control them... I cant imagine why those people wouldnt do whatever it took to eradicate the virus that kept them from those things in the first place. Especially when all that has been asked is "stay home, wear a mask when you do go out, and get this vaccine". Weird to blame "the government" when it's the virus's fault. Weird folks dont want to do simple things to eradicate the virus so we can all get back to normal. 4 1 1
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 I think its great that Erie County has taken this stance. This isn't anything but 'Murica, ya know when we lined up as kids to get rubella shots at school. It sounds like this younger generation are a bunch of pussies that are afraid of a shot. 1 1 4
PolishDave Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: If it was just a decision left to private businesses, that's fine. I agree that they should be free to serve or not serve whoever they want for any reason. If the Bills on their own accord want to implement this rule, fine. If it's a condition set by the government, that's where it stops being up to the individual private businesses. I don't think this is unreasonable. I get your point, but the county owns the stadium. So it is the county's call to make regarding whether or not you are allowed to enter and under what conditions.
teef Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, SCBills said: I can’t imagine why people who couldn’t bury loved ones for months, go to a wedding, send their kids to school, gather with their families for holidays and open their own businesses feel like the government is trying to control them... how many times has this happened in your life...once. does this happen on the regular to you? we had what was perceived a medical nightmare, so systems were put in place to slow that process. that's it. on that note, let's not get into this bull####. first off, i live in ny and we have some of the strictest rules with covid. last year i took a major step in my career, and build a building that houses my and another business. it was a big step for me. weeks later, i was told i couldn't work for 10 weeks. even after those 10 weeks, we could open back up with heavy limitations. my overhead skyrocketed, and a lot had to change. i had a tough year last year as we all did. we made sacrifices, and now we're moving past that. my school age kid couldn't go to school full time, so we put her in private so she could. my cousin couldn't get married on her expected date, so she had a very small wedding, and will have a large reception when she can. figure that ***** out. 4
Mike in Horseheads Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 Just now, DrDawkinstein said: I cant imagine why those people wouldnt do whatever it took to eradicate the virus that kept them from those things in the first place. Especially when all that has been asked is "stay home, wear a mask when you do go out, and get this vaccine". Weird to blame "the government" when it's the virus's fault. Weird folks dont want to do simple things to eradicate the virus so we can all get back to normal. Its just a excuse and its the same people. 4
K-9 Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, BuffaloBob said: Yeah, except they aren't ALL mRNA vaccines. Two of them are adenovirus-delivered vaccines and this technology has already been regular (not emergency) approved technology. And the technology has been around for a while now. It’s been used in animal and human trials for over a decade, with promising results in the treatment of some cancers in those trials. If mRNA vaccines were going to be a major health risk, those risks would have been well known by now. In the 40,000 some odd Pfizer trials before they were granted the EUA, there were ZERO allergic reactions. Thru the first two months of vaccinations, the rate was approximately 5 reactions per million shots administered. That’s remarkable. I find the science behind it all extremely fascinating. 1 3
Boxcar Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, PolishDave said: I get your point, but the county owns the stadium. So it is the county's call to make regarding whether or not you are allowed to enter and under what conditions. Do the ticket sales not go to the Bills/NFL? I believe this policy decision would fall to the Bills, but could be wrong. Anyway, it being government owned makes it worse, not better.
BuffaloBob Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, JaCrispy said: They can if they so choose, but they shouldn’t be forced to do so, for fear of being shut down... Well, they could make the choice to continue to have far less people in the stands, wearing masks I suppose. But if given the choice between a full stadium every week and the paltry number they had for a few playoff games last year, I'll bet they would be on board with choice number one. Especially when there will be plenty of people more than happy to comply. 1
Big Blitz Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: I cant imagine why those people wouldnt do whatever it took to eradicate the virus that kept them from those things in the first place. Because you can't. It will be here evolving for DECADES.
RiotAct Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Especially when all that has been asked is "stay home, wear a mask when you do go out, and get this vaccine". that’s not exactly a simple ask though... especially the first part. Life isn’t one-size-fits all. People are right to be skeptical of the government, at all levels. That may have worked against us with the challenge of COVID, but... 1
BuffaloBob Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 1 minute ago, K-9 said: And the technology has been around for a while now. It’s been used in animal and human trials for over a decade, with promising results in the treatment of some cancers in those trials. If mRNA vaccines were going to be a major health risk, those risks would have been well known by now. In the 40,000 some odd Pfizer trials before they were granted the EUA, there were ZERO allergic reactions. Thru the first two months of vaccinations, the rate was approximately 5 reactions per million shots administered. That’s remarkable. I find the science behind it all extremely fascinating. Yes, both of the have been. There are currently several regular track clinical trials of the adenovirus vector technology as well. For everything from HIV to Ebola to SARS to the regular flu.
Big Blitz Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: And the technology has been around for a while now. It’s been used in animal and human trials for over a decade, with promising results in the treatment of some cancers in those trials. If mRNA vaccines were going to be a major health risk, those risks would have been well known by now. In the 40,000 some odd Pfizer trials before they were granted the EUA, there were ZERO allergic reactions. Thru the first two months of vaccinations, the rate was approximately 5 reactions per million shots administered. That’s remarkable. I find the science behind it all extremely fascinating. We'll find out in due time if you're at an increased risk for Parkinsons or other neurological disorders. I trust the government wouldn't lie to me tho so sign my kids up. 3
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