Random Political Thoughts Inc.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

25 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

So a lie is ok so long as someone might benefit? He was wrong based on a presumption that ended up being 100% wrong. Being anti science is no more correct during a pandemic than any other time. We knew in early 2020 that COVID was deadly to those who fulfilled several categories, in order, age, weight, lung and cardiovascular health. By 2021 no one thought the kids should have the shots for themselves but to help older people, so tell me again how my kids getting the shot was a good idea for my kids?

you're gonna love my answer!  It takes a village...nobody was lying.  We were learning on the fly as rapidly as possible.  Making decisions with the best available data.  I'll have to look but pretty certain morbidity and mortality were better for vaxed vs unvaxed kids.  n = a relatively small number of sick kids but if there's overall dec in those measures, it's good

Edited June 5, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Pokebball]

9 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

nice piece on medical politics

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/4031852-in-florida-doctors-can-cite-succubus-but-educators-cant-teach-morrison/

 

Historically, medical professionals have been among the most revered and respected members of society and those who we turn to in times of greatest need. In part, this is due to how we regulate and practice medicine. 

 

We now must ask ourselves what the consequences will be when there are no guardrails to protect the public against false and harmful information from physicians who have a large social media megaphone.  And why do we think it is so harmful to members of our incredibly diverse society to be exposed to literature and art and have teachers be penalized for doing so when children are exposed to hours of uncontrolled social media and internet content per day?  

Why should a physician be allowed to preach and practice medicine believing in Incubus and Succubus, but teachers are not allowed to discuss the writings of Toni Morrison with students? 

You must have different docs in your community than I have in the communities I've live in. Just saying

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

You must have different docs in your community than I have in the communities I've live in. Just saying

i don't knoqw what you mean.  I know almost all the docs in my community.  Don't know one that was spreading misinformation.

[Pokebball]

26 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

i don't knoqw what you mean.  I know almost all the docs in my community.  Don't know one that was spreading misinformation.

How do I say this? I know most of the docs in my community too. Many docs in my community have very high IQs, yet very low EQs. Very few docs serve on NFP boards, serve in civic groups, get active in business groups such as a Chamber of Commerce, volunteer as churches, etc. They are pretty standoffish at youth athletic events. If they didn't have spouses that get involved in the community, we'd see very few ever, out in public.

 

The administration at hospitals or from clinics generally who we hear our "public" information from. Those are PSAs, right? It is not one-on-care, nor is it meant to be.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

51 minutes ago, Pokebball said:

How do I say this? I know most of the docs in my community too. Many docs in my community have very high IQs, yet very low EQs. Very few docs serve on NFP boards, serve in civic groups, get active in business groups such as a Chamber of Commerce, volunteer as churches, etc. They are pretty standoffish at youth athletic events. If they didn't have spouses that get involved in the community, we'd see very few ever, out in public.

 

The administration at hospitals or from clinics generally who we hear our "public" information from. Those are PSAs, right? It is not one-on-care, nor is it meant to be.

Most of them aren't joining community orgs cuz they're too busy working and burned out.  I did very little til I retired.  The kid who just set up a member practice is my new doc.  No affiliations, private pay.  And because of that is a new member of our Rotary club.  Has time for his kids, etc.  Don't believe a word from hospital admin....

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

you're gonna love my answer!  It takes a village...nobody was lying.  We were learning on the fly as rapidly as possible.  Making decisions with the best available data.  I'll have to look but pretty certain morbidity and mortality were better for vaxed vs unvaxed kids.  n = a relatively small number of sick kids but if there's overall dec in those measures, it's good

This is where being a math teacher my background helps me more than yours. Statistically speaking the amount of people under 50 without at least two comorbidities were getting severely ill was always at such a low number that in order to find a definite improvement in the numbers that it would takes a minimum of  4-5 years to determine if the vaccines were even helping 40 year olds, much less a 20 year old. Truly your argument is that my child should take an experimental serum that has no long term study so you can feel better at night with no benefit to him likely. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

45 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

This is where being a math teacher my background helps me more than yours. Statistically speaking the amount of people under 50 without at least two comorbidities were getting severely ill was always at such a low number that in order to find a definite improvement in the numbers that it would takes a minimum of  4-5 years to determine if the vaccines were even helping 40 year olds, much less a 20 year old. Truly your argument is that my child should take an experimental serum that has no long term study so you can feel better at night with no benefit to him likely. 

show me the...data.

[B-Man]

 

 

                               

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Here's some data.  Yes, with lower prevalence, statistical significance is more difficult to prove:

https://data.unicef.org/topic/child-survival/covid-19/

If it were up to me, given what we now know, I'd still recommend vaxing kids in the midst of the pandemic.  I suspect most epidemiologists would as well.  but your math background gives me pause....

13 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

                               

 

 

 

 

hmmm...which prez press sec talked about "alternative facts"?

[B-Man]

 

 

 

DONT’ WORRY, IT’S NOT SCHEDULED TO APPEAR UNTIL OCTOBER OF 2024: 

 

Experts warn bird flu virus changing rapidly in largest ever outbreak.

 

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-experts-bird-flu-virus-rapidly.html

 

 

The only treatment will involve mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting.

 

 

 

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[Orlando Buffalo]

27 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

show me the...data.

Honestly if you want to find it we had a long thread about it in 2021 here where I had a long merry go round with a couple of guys, but if at this point you still believe that healthy people under 30 were helped by the vaccine I can't help you. Find any study that makes a prediction on lives saved under 30.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

4 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

Honestly if you want to find it we had a long thread about it in 2021 here where I had a long merry go round with a couple of guys, but if at this point you still believe that healthy people under 30 were helped by the vaccine I can't help you. Find any study that makes a prediction on lives saved under 30.

2021?  Tincture of time is an awesome remedy.  At least in a political sense, we hope so. btw, over 12000 kids died from covid per UNICEF.  How many died from the vax?

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

DONT’ WORRY, IT’S NOT SCHEDULED TO APPEAR UNTIL OCTOBER OF 2024: 

 

Experts warn bird flu virus changing rapidly in largest ever outbreak.

 

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-experts-bird-flu-virus-rapidly.html

 

 

The only treatment will involve mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting.

 

 

 

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Yes, when they develop a vax, we hope the MAGA's don't take it.  Evolution...I kid.  But they won't.

Edited June 6, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

25 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

DONT’ WORRY, IT’S NOT SCHEDULED TO APPEAR UNTIL OCTOBER OF 2024: 

 

Experts warn bird flu virus changing rapidly in largest ever outbreak.

 

 

https://medicalxpress.com/news/2023-06-experts-bird-flu-virus-rapidly.html

 

 

The only treatment will involve mail-in ballots and ballot harvesting.

 

 

 

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stock up on the TP now!!

[Joe Ferguson forever]

7 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

stock up on the TP now!!

pandemics are a big joke

 

https://www.mphonline.org/worst-pandemics-in-history/

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

2021?  Tincture of time is an awesome remedy.  At least in a political sense, we hope so. btw, over 12000 kids died from covid per UNICEF.  How many died from the vax?

As I stated if you still believe that these shots are a good idea for healthy kids I can't help you. As I stated since 2021 the evidence has all pointed to the fact that without other issues COVID is like a cold or flu for 99.99999% of kids. As for who has died from Vax, how could I prove it? There has certainly been an increase in heart related illnesses for young people but that could be from a lot of factors, especially coming out of lockdowns. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

9 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

pandemics are a big joke

 

https://www.mphonline.org/worst-pandemics-in-history/

I complied, trusted the recommendations generally, but there were obvious challenges as time went on.  We received information on how to act/behave/conduct ourselves to protect the greater good, then found out those truly in the know often completely disregarded the directives for the rest of us.  
 

What was the most troubling in my opinion was the approach to managing protests and mass gatherings.  That is to say, the lack of any sensible, consistent advice or guidance from scientists or the political leaders that they counseled with. 
 

So,  58 year old healthy male and his 56 year old healthy wife, looking to get together with their mid-twenties children from different households, and some additional family members was cause for grave concern of death, disease, and spread...but 20,000 people gathering together in cities and towns across the country week after week barely raised an eyebrow. 
 

I guess my question is always “Where the 🤬were the leading scientists and Faucci-types screaming from the rooftops that that sort of behavior was certainly leading to mass spread, illness and death”?  
 

You’re the science guy, and I understand you taking up the cause for your colleagues, but there was a major disconnect between what the public was told, the actions of key players, and the reality that we lived through.  
 

The medical community deserves a share of the blame for the distrust that surely follows.  When you consider the ties between Wuhan, Faucci and his crew at NIAID, and the US government, naturally people are cynical. 
 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

2 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

As I stated if you still believe that these shots are a good idea for healthy kids I can't help you. As I stated since 2021 the evidence has all pointed to the fact that without other issues COVID is like a cold or flu for 99.99999% of kids. As for who has died from Vax, how could I prove it? There has certainly been an increase in heart related illnesses for young people but that could be from a lot of factors, especially coming out of lockdowns. 

news flash:  I neither need nor want your help.  And if your mindset was prevalent in schools around me, I'd definitely go private.  12000 kids is no big deal tho...

Edited June 6, 2023 by redtail hawk

[All_Pro_Bills]

3 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I complied, trusted the recommendations generally, but there were obvious challenges as time went on.  We received information on how to act/behave/conduct ourselves to protect the greater good, then found out those truly in the know often completely disregarded the directives for the rest of us.  
 

What was the most troubling in my opinion was the approach to managing protests and mass gatherings.  That is to say, the lack of any sensible, consistent advice or guidance from scientists or the political leaders that they counseled with. 
 

So,  58 year old healthy male and his 56 year old healthy wife, looking to get together with their mid-twenties children from different households, and some additional family members was cause for grave concern of death, disease, and spread...but 20,000 people gathering together in cities and towns across the country week after week barely raised an eyebrow. 
 

I guess my question is always “Where the 🤬were the leading scientists and Faucci-types screaming from the rooftops that that sort of behavior was certainly leading to mass spread, illness and death”?  
 

You’re the science guy, and I understand you taking up the cause for your colleagues, but there was a major disconnect between what the public was told, the actions of key players, and the reality that we lived through.  
 

The medical community deserves a share of the blame for the distrust that surely follows.  When you consider the ties between Wuhan, Faucci and his crew at NIAID, and the US government, naturally people are cynical. 
 

 

Let me give it a try.  its the same reason journalists do not report the truth.  Because ethics and science go out the window when everybody is getting paid big bucks to go along with the system and speaking out of turn will get you censured, de-credentialed, or result in a ruined reputation and a loss of income as a "science denier" when the truth is the only science to deny is political science.  You also have lots of researchers and scientists dependent on the very government agencies that are generating and sponsoring these polices and narratives.  You speak out against it and suddenly your research project is de-funded by the NIH.  Everybody's a prostitute to the almighty dollar and the pure principled person is few and far between.

 

Here's a link to a rather lengthy and interesting piece on why journalists toe the line.

 

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/15-reasons-why-mass-media-employees-act-like-propagandists-553a08074347

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

I complied, trusted the recommendations generally, but there were obvious challenges as time went on.  We received information on how to act/behave/conduct ourselves to protect the greater good, then found out those truly in the know often completely disregarded the directives for the rest of us.  
 

What was the most troubling in my opinion was the approach to managing protests and mass gatherings.  That is to say, the lack of any sensible, consistent advice or guidance from scientists or the political leaders that they counseled with. 
 

So,  58 year old healthy male and his 56 year old healthy wife, looking to get together with their mid-twenties children from different households, and some additional family members was cause for grave concern of death, disease, and spread...but 20,000 people gathering together in cities and towns across the country week after week barely raised an eyebrow. 
 

I guess my question is always “Where the 🤬were the leading scientists and Faucci-types screaming from the rooftops that that sort of behavior was certainly leading to mass spread, illness and death”?  
 

You’re the science guy, and I understand you taking up the cause for your colleagues, but there was a major disconnect between what the public was told, the actions of key players, and the reality that we lived through.  
 

The medical community deserves a share of the blame for the distrust that surely follows.  When you consider the ties between Wuhan, Faucci and his crew at NIAID, and the US government, naturally people are cynical. 
 

 

I'm not taking up for my colleagues.  I'm taking up for science and rational thought.    I'm fighting against ignorance and stupidity.  People like Fauci are the backbone of Medicine.  Unafraid of repercussions they put themselves at risk on a daily basis.  And their knowledge base is quantum leaps above the general publics.  The guy is in his 80's and is financially secure..  Why put himself through this?  Cuz he took an oath and lives by it and there are very few people walking the earth that know more about infectious disease.

[Precision]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Let me give it a try.  its the same reason journalists do not report the truth.  Because ethics and science go out the window when everybody is getting paid big bucks to go along with the system and speaking out of turn will get you censured, de-credentialed, or result in a ruined reputation and a loss of income as a "science denier" when the truth is the only science to deny is political science.  You also have lots of researchers and scientists dependent on the very government agencies that are generating and sponsoring these polices and narratives.  You speak out against it and suddenly your research project is de-funded by the NIH.  Everybody's a prostitute to the almighty dollar and the pure principled person is few and far between.

 

Here's a link to a rather lengthy and interesting piece on why journalists toe the line.

 

https://caityjohnstone.medium.com/15-reasons-why-mass-media-employees-act-like-propagandists-553a08074347

 

It's always about the money.  "Do no harm" has turned into "there is no such thing as a bad pill or shot".

 

How often are you harassed at doctor's appointments for blood work, multivitamins, fish oil, HPV, flu, shingles and covid booster shots?  They sit there and condescendingly tell you how important these treatments are when the PA speaking to you is obese.  

 

How much time is spent in an appointment discussing the most important subject, lifestyle?  Almost none.  Weight, exercise, diet, sleep, drinking, smoking, drugs use, sexual activity, chronic pain are all glossed over at best even though they have the largest impact on a patient's health.  

 

There's no money in lifestyle, lots of cash in pills and shots.