Random Political Thoughts Inc.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

Paywall here in Europe.  But not for this.  EDUCATION dude.  The higher the level, the greater the margin for Biden.  Look at the second table.

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2021/06/30/behind-bidens-2020-victory/

 

This was also true in 2016 and 2018.  But ignore facts.  It's what you all do...

 

Also this:  "College graduates made up 39% of all voters in 2020 (about the same as in 2016) but only 17% of nonvoters. Adults with a high school education or less were 29% of all voters but half of nonvoters."  And those making over $100k constituted only 18% of voters.  All at the bottom of page 1 in the link.  btw, the pew data is from validated voters, not exit polls so should be more meaningful.

This confirms where I was trying to go.
 

People that spent 10s of thousands on college that don’t  break six figures didn’t make an educated decision or at least a good economic one.  so even though they might have a degree they aren’t earning a good return on it. 
 

Those folks tend to self identify as democrats, the over 100k crowd tend to self identify as republican. 
 

while looking at all this stuff I came across a study pitching IQ weighted voting. The idea is your iq weighs in to how much your vote counts.
 

So 100=1 vote, 140 = 1.4 votes, AOC = 0.73 votes… and so on. I think it’s a wonderful idea. I'm all for this. Anyone else? 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

12 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

This confirms where I was trying to go.
 

People that spent 10s of thousands on college that don’t  break six figures didn’t make an educated decision or at least a good economic one.  so even though they might have a degree they aren’t earning a good return on it. 
 

Those folks tend to self identify as democrats, the over 100k crowd tend to self identify as republican. 
 

while looking at all this stuff I came across a study pitching IQ weighted voting. The idea is your iq weighs in to how much your vote counts.
 

So 100=1 vote, 140 = 1.4 votes, AOC = 0.73 votes… and so on. I think it’s a wonderful idea. I'm all for this. Anyone else? 

Keep digging...

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/research-summaries/education-earnings.html#:~:text=Men with bachelor's degrees earn,earnings than high school graduates.

 

"Men with bachelor's degrees earn approximately $900,000 more in median lifetime earnings than high school graduates. Women with bachelor's degrees earn $630,000 more. Men with graduate degrees earn $1.5 million more in median lifetime earnings than high school graduates. Women with graduate degrees earn $1.1 million more."

 

You MAGA's and facts are not friends...

 

Don't like that one?  try this:

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/personal-finance/articles/heres-the-average-americans-income-by-education-level/

"The difference increases significantly the more education you get. Those with a professional degree in career fields such as law, pharmacy, and medicine make a little over $151,000 a year, almost four times as much as a high school graduate."  And that's a very low estimate for physicians...https://mededits.com/medical-school-admissions/how-much-do-doctors-make/

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Buffarukus]

37 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Jan 6 really happened dude.  It was led by hate groups who are now being unofficially pardoned by the con man who egged them on.  And many of you still support him.  That's complicit enough for me.  And I can't rationalize it except in the resentful, nefarious ways I already have.  You want to hang out with white supremacists and hate groups, you have the right politics.

 

i know it happened dude. you guys constantly remind everyone it happened so no issue of it fading out of memory unlike other riots that lasted years in the entire country i hear nothing about anymore. the people who committed violence are facing harsh judgement. the ones who didnt..are facing harsh judgments. every republican including trump immediately denounced that violence unlike democrats did for riots that lasted...you get the point. you see a day of riots as much more threatening then years of it..that still continue to this day. youll give a response about democracy and in the next breath handwave Tennessee 3 and riots that put presidents in bunkers and firebombs at fedral buildings and police assasinations and police headquarter take overs and fedral buildings destroyed and statues ripped down and...well everything that side does.

 

most important is your pulling a race card and using it on jan 6th. that was a issue with elections and politicians..nothing to do with race. like i said supply and demand. place it on everything and devalue the real racist cultd out there. i and everyone else will continue to roll our eyes at the accusations while you guys try to smash a square peg into a round hole deforming every story to fit your agenda.

Edited May 15, 2023 by Buffarukus

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

12 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

Keep digging...

https://www.ssa.gov/policy/docs/research-summaries/education-earnings.html#:~:text=Men with bachelor's degrees earn,earnings than high school graduates.

 

"Men with bachelor's degrees earn approximately $900,000 more in median lifetime earnings than high school graduates. Women with bachelor's degrees earn $630,000 more. Men with graduate degrees earn $1.5 million more in median lifetime earnings than high school graduates. Women with graduate degrees earn $1.1 million more."

 

You MAGA's and facts are not friends...

 

Don't like that one?  try this:

https://www.fool.com/the-ascent/personal-finance/articles/heres-the-average-americans-income-by-education-level/

Exactly- if you can’t crack 6 figures with a 4 year college diploma you chose the wrong major and/or are dumb. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Joe Ferguson forever]

8 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Exactly- if you can’t crack 6 figures with a 4 year college diploma you chose the wrong major and/or are dumb. 

on avg, those with bachelors make double per year than those without.  Your math sucks...believe what you want but your kids will pay with less income AND less average wealth.  And guess who pays the most taxes to pay the bills or at least the interest on the bills that the gov't generates.  How bout making votes count in proportion to taxes paid.  I like that idea a lot.

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[sherpa]

31 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

What the hell is the truth from trump?  You can't believe a word he says.  How can one acknowledge something that doesn't exist in his mind?  

 

A specious argument.

I don't give a rat's what you believe or don't believe, but the quote is there, condemning and pointing out specifically the neo Nazis and the white supremacist's, yet a few people here, you included, disregard it.

 

It's a failed and pathetic path.

The man never claimed that those people were "good people," and in fact pointed out they were despicable.

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 minutes ago, sherpa said:

 

A specious argument.

I don't give a rat's what you believe or don't believe, but the quote is there, condemning and pointing out specifically the neo Nazis and the white supremacist's, yet a few people here, you included, disregard it.

 

It's a failed and pathetic path.

The man never claimed that those people were "good people," and in fact pointed out they were despicable.

 

 

nope.  He's a documented liar.  I believe over 10,000 documented instances in his presidency alone.  Look it up Einstein.

 

try this piece on for size.  From the conservative Brookings institution it echoes what Ive said here many times and what I've witnessed on this forum:

 

https://www.brookings.edu/blog/fixgov/2019/08/14/trump-and-racism-what-do-the-data-say/

Edited May 15, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

2 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

on avg, those with bachelors make double per year than those without.  Your math sucks...

Your averaging, and generalization show out out of touch you are with reality. I suppose you were one of the poorly chosen majors so I won’t bother trying to help you with averages complete uselessness with multimodal distributions. 
 

simple just for you… 
 

A non college degreed plumber or electrician makes  70k and can easily grow to 6 figures.
 

Social workers and gym teachers who in many case require even masters degrees… not so much. Then the is Art major or Philosophy majors…. They are the one looking to bump minimum wage. 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Your averaging, and generalization show out out of touch you are with reality. I suppose you were one of the poorly chosen majors so I won’t bother trying to help you with averages complete uselessness with multimodal distributions. 
 

simple just for you… 
 

A non college degreed plumber or electrician makes  70k and can easily grow to 6 figures.
 

Social workers and gym teachers who in many case require even masters degrees… not so much. Then the is Art major or Philosophy majors…. They are the one looking to bump minimum wage. 

 

i didn't say there weren't exceptions to the rule.  And no, my undergrad and grad degrees were in Chemistry.  Could have done significantly better than a plumber with either degree.  Was offered good career paths by great companies at both levels.  But I have a question for you.  Why don't all the poorly paid MAGA's work as plumbers or electricians?

[sherpa]

11 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

nope.  He's a documented liar.  

 

And so is Bill Clinton.

A convicted liar under oath before a grand jury.

 

This is complete horseshit.

The man never said that white supremacist's or neo Nazis were good people, and making that claim diminishes the people who attempt to make it.

[sherpa]

You can do any stupid little thing you want on a forum, but no reasonable, rational individual woud make a claim that someone said something, when that person, twice, refuted it in the same response.

It is simply an idiotic, false claim.

 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

i didn't say there weren't exceptions to the rule.  And no, my undergrad and grad degrees were in Chemistry.  Could have done significantly better than a plumber with either degree.  Was offered good career paths by great companies at both levels.  But I have a question for you.  Why don't all the poorly paid MAGA's work as plumbers or electricians?

see out of touch… you argue against my point of poor investment majors then reference a hard science like chemistry. But ok, there actually is a poor investment decision baked into this.  
 

chemical engineering major shares most of the same core curriculum but leads to 30% higher average income. Since you love averages you made a poor choice. 

37 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

How bout making votes count in proportion to taxes paid.  I like that idea a lot.

Yes please!! We agree on something 

[Buffarukus]

55 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

Yes please!! We agree on something 

 

or even better people who dont pay into the system at all cant vote for politicians who make those decisions for others. its a cascade. when a population only extracts resources of coarse they will only vote for policies that continue that action. get a high enough percentage and the entire finacial system will be built on taking more from anyone still willing to produce into it with no going back if they want to maintain any power. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

23 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

or even better people who dont pay into the system at all cant vote for politicians who make those decisions for others. its a cascade. when a population only extracts resources of coarse they will only vote for policies that continue that action. get a high enough percentage and the entire finacial system will be built on taking more from anyone still willing to produce into it with no going back if they want to maintain any power. 

Yes!!  
 

effectively what our electorate is today and how they tend to vote. 

 

Democrats; mostly the takers and the billionaire elites… and then some party line idealists 

 

Republicans; the payers and millionaires that are not part of the elite … and some party line idealists 

 

so if the deadbeats lost agency because they don’t contribute the Rs would win 75% of votes. Dems would have to stop their fiscal idiocy. 

Edited May 15, 2023 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[Doc]

7 hours ago, sherpa said:

"And I was talking about people that went because they felt very strongly about the monument to Robert E. Lee, a great general."

 

"There were very fine people on both sides, & I'm not talking about the Neo-nazis and white supremacists because they should be condemned totally."

 

"You’re changing history. You’re changing culture. And you had people — and I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists — because they should be condemned totally. But you had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists."

 

I get that hitting Tibs with a baseball bat wouldn't matter, as has been done so many times.

 

But for God's sake can you Trump haters stop diminishing your argument by failing to acknowledge the truth?

 

It is complete ignorance and counter productive.

3 hours ago, sherpa said:

You can do any stupid little thing you want on a forum, but no reasonable, rational individual woud make a claim that someone said something, when that person, twice, refuted it in the same response.

It is simply an idiotic, false claim.

 

It's the same with the "peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard" on J6.  They'll read into it what they want.

[Orlando Buffalo]

4 hours ago, redtail hawk said:

What the hell is the truth from trump?  You can't believe a word he says.  How can one acknowledge something that doesn't exist in his mind?  Remember "alternative facts"?  Can you please define them for me?  His book lists a euphemism for lying as a mechanism to gain success in biz.   The CNN interview was almost entirely filled with demonstrable lies from him.  And you all eat it up and ask for more.  Do you not believe what your ears hear and eyes see?  We have a convicted  LYINGsex offfender in a dead heat for prez and that's ok with you?  Are your personal, selfish goals that much more important to you than your honor?/  Shame and embarrassment on you.

Can you read?  pre injection, moron.  like wiping the injection site (in this case the external eye- do u even know where the cornea is?) you idiot.  No one argues that topical disinfectants aren't useful.  Now produce a real paper.  God, I hope you don't teach STEM classes...Stay in your lane cuz you'd be dangerous out of it, just like trump.

 

Your citation:

Povidone Iodine vs AVEnova: A Pre-injection Disinfection Study (PAVE Study) (PAVE)

You are correct that I pulled the wrong paper, I pulled the first thing I found without looking closer which is my fault.  That being said any definition of a disinfectant that does not include antimicrobial or antiviral is illegitimate and look up antimicrobial or antiviral injection and there are plenty of examples.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

6 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:

You are correct that I pulled the wrong paper, I pulled the first thing I found without looking closer which is my fault.  That being said any definition of a disinfectant that does not include antimicrobial or antiviral is illegitimate and look up antimicrobial or antiviral injection and there are plenty of examples.

trump was wrong and ignorant in those remarks.  topical disinfectants can be antimicrobial and/or antiviral but these are not injectable or oral drugs.  stay in your own lane.  you don't know what you're talking about...

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

see out of touch… you argue against my point of poor investment majors then reference a hard science like chemistry. But ok, there actually is a poor investment decision baked into this.  
 

chemical engineering major shares most of the same core curriculum but leads to 30% higher average income. Since you love averages you made a poor choice. 

Yes please!! We agree on something 

i made a good choice.  I learned basic science and simultaneously liberal arts including things like philosophy and economics which have served me well in life.  And it prepared me well for medicine.  besides that, engineering skills are not my forte'.  But if I were to counsel someone on a college major, I'd tell them to follow what you love.  If you love money more than anything, go for a high earning major at a prestigious school (yes, it matters).  If you are passionate about Art, do that because working your life in a field you love is wonderful, working it in one you hate is hell.

But  having destroyed every premise about electorate demographics that you proposed (education, income, socioeconomic status), let's move on....

Edited May 16, 2023 by redtail hawk

[Joe Ferguson forever]

11 hours ago, sherpa said:

You can do any stupid little thing you want on a forum, but no reasonable, rational individual woud make a claim that someone said something, when that person, twice, refuted it in the same response.

It is simply an idiotic, false claim.

 

Spend 5 minutes reading what people in his orbit witnessed re racism and see if you still believe his words:

https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/06/trump-racism-comments/588067/

 

trump has also stated "I'm the least racist person on earth" several times.  Do you believe that too?

Edited May 16, 2023 by redtail hawk

[sherpa]

1 hour ago, redtail hawk said:

 

trump has also stated "I'm the least racist person on earth" several times.  Do you believe that too?

 

I have zero interest in responding to questions about Trump.

 

What I do know is the claim that his good people on both sides remarks were about protestors on both sides of the remove the Lee statue and those comments did not include white supremacist's and Nazis, a point he made twice in that response and is always omitted and not acknowledged in these silly claims.