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[ChiGoose]

Just now, Orlando Buffalo said:

You win, you have said nothing of substance and I have no idea what you believe. I can honestly state I have no idea if you actually believe the Dems did a good job or your TDS is so bad that anything Trump says must be bad. 

I believe that sanctuary cities do not increase crime.

 

I believe that illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens. 
 

I believe these things because they are supported by data and studies. 
 

Therefore, I believe that people whose arguments that sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants increase crime rates are either ignorant or lying. 
 

I have been consistent on this the whole time. It’s you who has brought your prejudices, ignorance, and media biases into the discussion to pretend I said things I never said because it would fit your narrative. 
 

Maybe this is a time for you to do a little introspection as to how you screwed up so badly. 

[Motorin']

18 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

I believe that sanctuary cities do not increase crime.

 

I believe that illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens. 
 

I believe these things because they are supported by data and studies. 
 

Therefore, I believe that people whose arguments that sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants increase crime rates are either ignorant or lying. 
 

I have been consistent on this the whole time. It’s you who has brought your prejudices, ignorance, and media biases into the discussion to pretend I said things I never said because it would fit your narrative. 
 

Maybe this is a time for you to do a little introspection as to how you screwed up so badly. 

 

The people who have had their children killed by illegal immigrants take zero solace in your conjecture that they could have been killed by an American at a higher percentage. 

 

Imagine telling a grieving mother who's kid was just killed by an illegal immigrant that illegal immigration creates less crime.

 

All crime by people who could have been prevented from entering the country or deported before they committed criminal acts is prima facie more crime. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I believe that sanctuary cities do not increase crime.

 

I believe that illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens. 
 

I believe these things because they are supported by data and studies. 
 

Therefore, I believe that people whose arguments that sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants increase crime rates are either ignorant or lying. 
 

I have been consistent on this the whole time. It’s you who has brought your prejudices, ignorance, and media biases into the discussion to pretend I said things I never said because it would fit your narrative. 
 

Maybe this is a time for you to do a little introspection as to how you screwed up so badly. 

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/increased-illegal-immigration-brings-increased-crime-almost-23-federal

 

Your entire point was pedantic with no purpose other than to prove you believe everything left wing lunatics tell you. I know the crime situation in NYC fairly well because of family who lives there and they want me to visit but admit there are areas you avoid, so I ask this questions, why did the major crimes jump from under 100k from 2017-2020 to 126k in 2022? Is it the people of NYC went nuts, or is it the people that moved to NYC?

https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.page

[Doc]

9 hours ago, Motorin' said:

The people who have had their children killed by illegal immigrants take zero solace in your conjecture that they could have been killed by an American at a higher percentage. 

 

Imagine telling a grieving mother who's kid was just killed by an illegal immigrant that illegal immigration creates less crime.

 

All crime by people who could have been prevented from entering the country or deported before they committed criminal acts is prima facie more crime. 

 

Yup.  You can believe they commit crimes at a lower rate (based on fudged data) but the point is that the crime rate by those who enter illegally (besides the original crime itself) should be zero. 

 

If I'm someone's house and I, say, break things at a lower rate than the occupants' kids, it still doesn't look good on me.  Especially if I broke into said home.

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

Yup.  You can believe they commit crimes at a lower rate (based on fudged data) but the point is that the crime rate by those who enter illegally (besides the original crime itself) should be zero. 

 

If I'm someone's house and I, say, break things at a lower rate than the occupants' kids, it still doesn't look good on me.  Especially if I broke into said home.

 

Even if there's truth to the idea that the overall number of immigrants lowers the total crime rate, the impact of each and every crime committed by illegal immigrants isn't a percentage. It's real, and it's cumulative. And it didn't have to happen.

 

Arguing that the impact of illegal immigrant crime doesn't matter and that sanctuary cities make people safer because of an appeal to percentages is ignorant and cruel. 

[ChiGoose]

15 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

https://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/increased-illegal-immigration-brings-increased-crime-almost-23-federal

 

Your entire point was pedantic with no purpose other than to prove you believe everything left wing lunatics tell you. I know the crime situation in NYC fairly well because of family who lives there and they want me to visit but admit there are areas you avoid, so I ask this questions, why did the major crimes jump from under 100k from 2017-2020 to 126k in 2022? Is it the people of NYC went nuts, or is it the people that moved to NYC?

https://www.nyc.gov/site/nypd/stats/crime-statistics/historical.page

I can see you are addicted to taking L’s to the level that would make Aaron Rodgers jealous. 
 

I made a simple point that is backed by facts and evidence. You then went on a long string of posts completely missing the point and confusing “does not equal” with “equal” because you are trapped in a small little bubble. You then went down the internet “debate me bro” line by throwing out challenges that have no bearing on the claim I made but make sense to you because (once again) you are living in a bubble. 
 

I encourage you to go talk to your (I’m assuming middle school?) teacher to explain to you how facts and logic work before you continue to embarrass yourself. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

I can see you are addicted to taking L’s to the level that would make Aaron Rodgers jealous. 
 

I made a simple point that is backed by facts and evidence. You then went on a long string of posts completely missing the point and confusing “does not equal” with “equal” because you are trapped in a small little bubble. You then went down the internet “debate me bro” line by throwing out challenges that have no bearing on the claim I made but make sense to you because (once again) you are living in a bubble. 
 

I encourage you to go talk to your (I’m assuming middle school?) teacher to explain to you how facts and logic work before you continue to embarrass yourself. 

As I stated, you won, you made one pointless pedantic claim that is true so long as you treat legal and illegal immigrants as the same. Your defense of that one point is hilarious since you admitted that the one point does not make the city better. Your supreme effort to simply not admit that Biden and the Dems immigration was not a total disaster is just entertaining now. The best part of your "attack" is that I live in a "bubble", where more than 20% of my area is immigrants, but they are legal so different than the ones I was trying to discuss. 

[Tommy Callahan]

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

3 minutes ago, Tommy Callahan said:

 

Tik Tok should simply have to make their algorithm public if not controlled by an American company. 

[TH3]

7 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Tik Tok should simply have to make their algorithm public if not controlled by an American company. 

Thats not what the issue is dumbass

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, TH3 said:

Thats not what the issue is dumbass

Oh please tell me what the issue is and you r solution that would solve said problem without banning it? I just realized this is in response to my question of what Carter accomplished during his presidency - truly I don't want to bash Carter, I want to at least show he was middling because he is a good guy. 

Edited December 31, 2024 by Orlando Buffalo

[BillsFanNC]

This does indeed remain awesome for all time.

 

Epic trolling.

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

https://nypost.com/2024/09/02/us-news/migrants-flooding-nycs-justice-system-making-up-75-of-arrests-in-midtown-as-pathetic-sanctuary-city-laws-handcuff-cops/

 

I am going to point this out again, that the concept that people who are in the country illegally are going to as a whole be more lawful than those here legally is insane. The article points out that in NYC "the NYPD says it is barred from tracking the immigration status of offenders." Which means that they are not being recorded as an illegal. 

[Steve O]

On 12/29/2024 at 12:04 AM, ChiGoose said:

I believe that sanctuary cities do not increase crime.

 

I believe that illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens. 
 

I believe these things because they are supported by data and studies. 
 

Therefore, I believe that people whose arguments that sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants increase crime rates are either ignorant or lying. 
 

I have been consistent on this the whole time. It’s you who has brought your prejudices, ignorance, and media biases into the discussion to pretend I said things I never said because it would fit your narrative. 
 

Maybe this is a time for you to do a little introspection as to how you screwed up so badly. 

re I believe that sanctuary cities do not increase crime.

 - cities don't increase crime, their policies allow for the increase in crime rates. 

re I believe that illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens. 
 - To use your term, "Illegal immigrants" have committed a crime by being here. Their crime rate starts at 100%. Any additional crimes committed by illegal immigrants (again, to use your term, I prefer foreign invader) are crimes that would never have happened had sanctuary cities enforced federal laws.

re I believe these things because they are supported by data and studies. 
 - These data and studies are selective as to which crimes they choose to include. Again, they choose to exclude immigration law.

re Therefore, I believe that people whose arguments that sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants increase crime rates are either ignorant or lying. 

 - Actually, and again, people who argue in favor of sanctuary cities are the ignorant and lying, and selective as to what laws they choose to include in their argument.

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 hours ago, Steve O said:

re I believe that sanctuary cities do not increase crime.

 - cities don't increase crime, their policies allow for the increase in crime rates. 

re I believe that illegal immigrants commit crimes at lower rates than native born citizens. 
 - To use your term, "Illegal immigrants" have committed a crime by being here. Their crime rate starts at 100%. Any additional crimes committed by illegal immigrants (again, to use your term, I prefer foreign invader) are crimes that would never have happened had sanctuary cities enforced federal laws.

re I believe these things because they are supported by data and studies. 
 - These data and studies are selective as to which crimes they choose to include. Again, they choose to exclude immigration law.

re Therefore, I believe that people whose arguments that sanctuary cities and illegal immigrants increase crime rates are either ignorant or lying. 

 - Actually, and again, people who argue in favor of sanctuary cities are the ignorant and lying, and selective as to what laws they choose to include in their argument.

 

 

I recommend not arguing with him anymore, he likes to combine legal and illegal immigrants in his argument. He also believes that ICE is a right wing disinformation group because otherwise he does not understand math.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/politics/nyc-home-nearly-60k-criminal-migrants-report.amp