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[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

2 minutes ago, Doc said:

 

No, Trump didn't stop it himself.  Sure he was against it but the Repubs didn't like it.  And knew that Biden broke it and had the power all along to fix it.

Oh please, the border was a disaster Trump's first term. Remember the wall that never got built? 

[B-Man]

 

3 hours ago, 4th&long said:

 

 

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 

                          

 

 

 

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[Trump_is_Mentally_fit]

17 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

                          

 

 

 

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What a riot! 
 

Oh wait, never mind 

[Doc]

50 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Oh please, the border was a disaster Trump's first term. Remember the wall that never got built? 

 

That the wall didn't get built made the border a "disaster"?  LOL!  Never mind that it was Dems who fought it every step of the way. 

 

But even still, Trump's numbers were a fifth of what Biden's have been.  Now that's a disaster.  And the Dems paid dearly for it at the ballot box.

[4th&long]

How are you whit trash Putin lovers going to try to spin Russia shooting down another passenger plane? 

[JDHillFan]

2 hours ago, Tiberius said:

No, I don't see a "border crisis" 

And you haven’t at any point. It’s one of many reasons that you come off as dim. 
 

Your party seems to disagree though it was too little, too late wasn’t it.
 

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4451356-democrats-are-suddenly-singing-a-different-tune-on-the-border/

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/28/democrats-border-crisis-biden-immigration-trump

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/democrats-border-security-task-force-seeks-redefine-party-immigration-rcna143039

 

Edited December 28, 2024 by Biden is Mentally Fit

[Niagara Bill]

45 minutes ago, Biden is Mentally Fit said:

And you haven’t at any point. It’s one of many reasons that you come off as dim. 
 

Your party seems to disagree though it was too little, too late wasn’t it.
 

https://thehill.com/opinion/immigration/4451356-democrats-are-suddenly-singing-a-different-tune-on-the-border/

 

https://www.axios.com/2024/04/28/democrats-border-crisis-biden-immigration-trump

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/congress/democrats-border-security-task-force-seeks-redefine-party-immigration-rcna143039

 

Just like in the 51st state, left wing governments put non citizens, ahead of the safety, culture and housing of the very citizens who pay the taxes and created these wonderful countries. Every mayor, council and judge in a sanctuary city who supported the violations of the federal laws should be charged. It is not their house to open the doors and invite the Trojan horse into it.

Controlled immigration is the ONLY method into our house...protecting citizens is paramount.

[ChiGoose]

2 hours ago, Niagara Bill said:

Just like in the 51st state, left wing governments put non citizens, ahead of the safety, culture and housing of the very citizens who pay the taxes and created these wonderful countries. Every mayor, council and judge in a sanctuary city who supported the violations of the federal laws should be charged. It is not their house to open the doors and invite the Trojan horse into it.

Controlled immigration is the ONLY method into our house...protecting citizens is paramount.

Seems like somebody has very strong opinions about sanctuary cities despite clearly not knowing what a sanctuary city is. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

6 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Seems like somebody has very strong opinions about sanctuary cities despite clearly not knowing what a sanctuary city is. 

Well then enlighten us, what part does he have wrong?

[BillsFanNC]

 

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[Joe Ferguson forever]

Et tu Britannia?

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2024/dec/27/centre-right-extremism-the-west-moderates-populist

None of this is to be sentimental about the old centre right, which from the 1980s onwards increasingly offered sink-or-swim economics and military adventurism. It is to recognise that democratic norms are no longer in fashion, and the consensus over what is “too extreme” has collapsed.

On each side of the Atlantic, mainstream rightwingers – in politics and media – embrace positions they would previously have resisted. From naked bigotry to disinformation to treating opponents as dangerous national threats, the trend is clear. Where will it end? Here, there is no obvious answer, because the borders of the mainstream right are no longer policed. The tragic truth is that the western world may only get this out of its system when confronted with the consequences of such an ideology. A grim reckoning awaits us.

Edited December 28, 2024 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Tommy Callahan]

Like everything surrounding her multiple billion dollar run

 

 

[Orlando Buffalo]

10 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

Seems like somebody has very strong opinions about sanctuary cities despite clearly not knowing what a sanctuary city is. 

Goose you have to stop making yourself look mentally stunted with comments like this. Please enlighten us on what a sanctuary city is if not a place that protects non citizens at the expense of actual citizens? 

[ChiGoose]

5 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

Goose you have to stop making yourself look mentally stunted with comments like this. Please enlighten us on what a sanctuary city is if not a place that protects non citizens at the expense of actual citizens? 

A sanctuary city is simply a city where the local police do not do the work of federal immigration enforcement. 
 

It’s not at the expense of the safety of actual citizens since studies consistently show that sanctuary cities have no measurable impact on crime (and may even have a slight downward effect).

 

This makes sense to anyone who actually understands immigration and doesn’t get their news from a firehouse of misinformation as you seem to do, child. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

7 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

A sanctuary city is simply a city where the local police do not do the work of federal immigration enforcement. 
 

It’s not at the expense of the safety of actual citizens since studies consistently show that sanctuary cities have no measurable impact on crime (and may even have a slight downward effect).

 

This makes sense to anyone who actually understands immigration and doesn’t get their news from a firehouse of misinformation as you seem to do, child. 

If only I was as smart as you, can you tell me who all the unsolved crimes are committed by according to your analysis? Is there one liberal city who applies any unsolved crimes to a single person here illegally? But your argument is hilarious because you have to argue that a city where someone can be set on fire without a reaction from anyone is safer than where I live.

[ChiGoose]

50 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

If only I was as smart as you, can you tell me who all the unsolved crimes are committed by according to your analysis? Is there one liberal city who applies any unsolved crimes to a single person here illegally? But your argument is hilarious because you have to argue that a city where someone can be set on fire without a reaction from anyone is safer than where I live.

 

Are you high? Or just so in deep in your own bubble that what you posted actually makes sense to you as a cogent argument and not a word salad of straw man arguments?

[Orlando Buffalo]

44 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

Are you high? Or just so in deep in your own bubble that what you posted actually makes sense to you as a cogent argument and not a word salad of straw man arguments?

You actually argued that people who are willing to break the law to enter the country are less likely to break any further laws. That is stupidly against everything we know about human psychology. Sanctuary cities have higher crime rates than non sanctuary cities as a whole, and it is not that close. But I will ask you to name three cities you believe have been improved by being sanctuary cities, and if you can name three I will not respond.

[B-Man]

 

 

                                              

 

 

 

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[ChiGoose]

1 hour ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

You actually argued that people who are willing to break the law to enter the country are less likely to break any further laws. That is stupidly against everything we know about human psychology. Sanctuary cities have higher crime rates than non sanctuary cities as a whole, and it is not that close. But I will ask you to name three cities you believe have been improved by being sanctuary cities, and if you can name three I will not respond.

 

This is an excellent example of the brainrot that undermines the modern clickservative movement. It's all feelings, no facts. Arguments are mostly strawmen born of a media bubble that is unlikely to ever be penetrated by reality.

 

Instead of looking at studies, facts, and data, it's all about emotional appeals and anecdotes designed to instill anger or fear in the viewer.

 

But, if you look at reality:

 

Sanctuary cities do not increase crime:

• Sanctuary cities and crime: This paper finds (1) no evidence that sanctuary policies cause an increase in any crime, (2) some evidence that they may lead to a decrease in property crime, and the effect is strengthened over time after the adoption, (3) the increased trust between residents and police is likely the reason for the negative effect.
• Sanctuary Policies Lower Counties' Crime Rates: In a study published in Social Science Research, researcher Marta Ascherio shows that both property crime and violent crime decreased more in sanctuary counties than in nonsanctuary counties after 2014, when many such policies were implemented. Her findings also suggest that sanctuary practices in counties improve political integration in immigrant communities, lead to positive spillover effects, and increase overall social harmony in the areas where they are implemented.
• Sanctuary Cities and Their Respective Effect on Crime Rates : Using publicly available data, this regression analysis investigates the relationship between crime rates in selected cities and independent variables which the research literature or the media has linked to criminal activity. Results of this research reveal that sanctuary cities do not experience higher violent or property crime rates than those cities that are not sanctuary cities
• No Evidence Sanctuary Cities ‘Breed Crime’: “We find no statistically discernible difference in violent crime rate, rape, or property crime across the cities,” the researchers concluded. “Our findings provide evidence that sanctuary policies have no effect on crime rates, despite narratives to the contrary.”

Illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born Americans:

• Debunking the Myth of the Migrant Crime Wave: Substantial research has assessed the relationship between immigration and crime. Numerous studies show that immigration is not linked to higher levels of crime, but rather the opposite. Studies have also examined the impact of the concentration of immigrants in a community on crime patterns, finding that immigration is associated with lower crime rates and an increase in structural factors — such as social connection and economic opportunity — that are linked to neighborhood safety.
• Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate: The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.
• Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born: Study finds over a 150-year period, immigrants have never been incarcerated at a greater rate than those born in the United States

 

Now, all of this makes sense if you both live in reality and are able to think past an immediate emotional reaction.

 

If illegal immigrants are not going to be deported for talking to law enforcement, they are more likely to be willing to report crimes. In locations where local law enforcement also enforces federal border policy, illegal immigrants probably won't want to report crimes out of fear for themselves being deported. This also leaves them vulnerable to be a victim of crime (abuse, domestic violence, fraud, robbery, etc) if the perpetrator knows they are illegal and won't report the crimes for fear of being deported.

 

If someone is willing to go through dangerous of coming into the country illegally, it's likely that they very much do not want to be sent back to the place they are escaping from. Therefore, it would make sense that once here, they would be careful not to run afoul of the law.

 

While there is a lot of debate to be had about what immigration policy should look like, anyone basing that on the idea that illegal immigrants and/or sanctuary cities are driving increases in crime rates is either ignorant of the facts or arguing in bad faith.

[JDHillFan]

8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

This is an excellent example of the brainrot that undermines the modern clickservative movement. It's all feelings, no facts. Arguments are mostly strawmen born of a media bubble that is unlikely to ever be penetrated by reality.

 

Instead of looking at studies, facts, and data, it's all about emotional appeals and anecdotes designed to instill anger or fear in the viewer.

 

But, if you look at reality:

 

Sanctuary cities do not increase crime:

• Sanctuary cities and crime: This paper finds (1) no evidence that sanctuary policies cause an increase in any crime, (2) some evidence that they may lead to a decrease in property crime, and the effect is strengthened over time after the adoption, (3) the increased trust between residents and police is likely the reason for the negative effect.
• Sanctuary Policies Lower Counties' Crime Rates: In a study published in Social Science Research, researcher Marta Ascherio shows that both property crime and violent crime decreased more in sanctuary counties than in nonsanctuary counties after 2014, when many such policies were implemented. Her findings also suggest that sanctuary practices in counties improve political integration in immigrant communities, lead to positive spillover effects, and increase overall social harmony in the areas where they are implemented.
• Sanctuary Cities and Their Respective Effect on Crime Rates : Using publicly available data, this regression analysis investigates the relationship between crime rates in selected cities and independent variables which the research literature or the media has linked to criminal activity. Results of this research reveal that sanctuary cities do not experience higher violent or property crime rates than those cities that are not sanctuary cities
• No Evidence Sanctuary Cities ‘Breed Crime’: “We find no statistically discernible difference in violent crime rate, rape, or property crime across the cities,” the researchers concluded. “Our findings provide evidence that sanctuary policies have no effect on crime rates, despite narratives to the contrary.”

Illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes than native born Americans:

• Debunking the Myth of the Migrant Crime Wave: Substantial research has assessed the relationship between immigration and crime. Numerous studies show that immigration is not linked to higher levels of crime, but rather the opposite. Studies have also examined the impact of the concentration of immigrants in a community on crime patterns, finding that immigration is associated with lower crime rates and an increase in structural factors — such as social connection and economic opportunity — that are linked to neighborhood safety.
• Undocumented Immigrant Offending Rate Lower Than U.S.-Born Citizen Rate: The study found that undocumented immigrants are arrested at less than half the rate of native-born U.S. citizens for violent and drug crimes and a quarter the rate of native-born citizens for property crimes.
• Immigrants are significantly less likely to commit crimes than the U.S.-born: Study finds over a 150-year period, immigrants have never been incarcerated at a greater rate than those born in the United States

 

Now, all of this makes sense if you both live in reality and are able to think past an immediate emotional reaction.

 

If illegal immigrants are not going to be deported for talking to law enforcement, they are more likely to be willing to report crimes. In locations where local law enforcement also enforces federal border policy, illegal immigrants probably won't want to report crimes out of fear for themselves being deported. This also leaves them vulnerable to be a victim of crime (abuse, domestic violence, fraud, robbery, etc) if the perpetrator knows they are illegal and won't report the crimes for fear of being deported.

 

If someone is willing to go through dangerous of coming into the country illegally, it's likely that they very much do not want to be sent back to the place they are escaping from. Therefore, it would make sense that once here, they would be careful not to run afoul of the law.

 

While there is a lot of debate to be had about what immigration policy should look like, anyone basing that on the idea that illegal immigrants and/or sanctuary cities are driving increases in crime rates is either ignorant of the facts or arguing in bad faith.

The first four links have no data later than 2016. Has anything changed relative to immigration since then? Most especially in the last four years?