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[Joe Ferguson forever]

Rock on Frank!

https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-vatican-conservatives-abortion-us-bbfc346c117bd9ae68a1963478bea6b3

 

 

The 86-year-old Argentine acknowledged his point, saying there was “a very strong, organized, reactionary attitude” in the U.S. church, which he called “backward.” He warned that such an attitude leads to a climate of closure, which was erroneous. 

“Doing this, you lose the true tradition and you turn to ideologies to have support. In other words, ideologies replace faith,” he said.

“The vision of the doctrine of the church as a monolith is wrong,” he added. “When you go backward, you make something closed off, disconnected from the roots of the church,” which then has devastating effects on morality.

Edited August 28, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[Tommy Callahan]

52 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Rock on Frank!

https://apnews.com/article/pope-francis-vatican-conservatives-abortion-us-bbfc346c117bd9ae68a1963478bea6b3

 

 

The 86-year-old Argentine acknowledged his point, saying there was “a very strong, organized, reactionary attitude” in the U.S. church, which he called “backward.” He warned that such an attitude leads to a climate of closure, which was erroneous. 

“Doing this, you lose the true tradition and you turn to ideologies to have support. In other words, ideologies replace faith,” he said.

“The vision of the doctrine of the church as a monolith is wrong,” he added. “When you go backward, you make something closed off, disconnected from the roots of the church,” which then has devastating effects on morality.

IE, 100% align with the Roman church or be called out as backward/false profit.

 

Been that way for centuries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

IE, 100% align with the Roman church or be called out as backward/false profit.

 

Been that way for centuries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well, profit was an issue under the last Pope.  but that's another story.  Frank is calling out the bad acts of some clergy.  I don't see any punishment being metered out.  And the conversation was in a private group of Jesuits.  Someone leaked it but it's OK.  Nice to confirm where he stands.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

Hurricanes, gators, snakes, 100 degree ocean , unbearable humidity, bugs and a training ground for white supremacists.  Land of milk and honey

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[Roundybout]

21 hours ago, Chris farley said:

IE, 100% align with the Roman church or be called out as backward/false profit.

 

Been that way for centuries.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yea, this is just a classic Catholic vs Protestant thing. Catholics believe the Church was given to St. Peter as the first Pope and was then passed down to each pope after in the tradition of Apostolic Succession. Protestants say “lol no, we’re gonna use the Word and interpret it in our own way.” 

[Tommy Callahan]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

Yea, this is just a classic Catholic vs Protestant thing. Catholics believe the Church was given to St. Peter as the first Pope and was then passed down to each pope after in the tradition of Apostolic Succession. Protestants say “lol no, we’re gonna use the Word and interpret it in our own way.” 

Ok.  Protestant would cover most Christian denominations?  

[Roundybout]

9 minutes ago, Chris farley said:

Ok.  Protestant would cover most Christian denominations?  

Correct. Anything not Catholic can be considered Protestant, dating back to Martin Luther‘s reforms.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

47 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Yea, this is just a classic Catholic vs Protestant thing. Catholics believe the Church was given to St. Peter as the first Pope and was then passed down to each pope after in the tradition of Apostolic Succession. Protestants say “lol no, we’re gonna use the Word and interpret it in our own way.” 

Or "we interpret literally" and then don't see the conflict between thou shalt not kill and the death penalty or an unjust war...or trump and christianity, for that matter.

 

and then there is that passage about "You are Peter.  And on this rock, I will build my church".  Amazingly, no mention of Luther or Calvin or Henry the 8th.

Edited August 29, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[yall]

37 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Correct. Anything not Catholic can be considered Protestant, dating back to Martin Luther‘s reforms.

Well, not really?

 

Other denominations (eastern Orthodox primarily but there are others) exist separately from Catholicism but predate the reformation.

[Roundybout]

7 minutes ago, yall said:

Well, not really?

 

Other denominations (eastern Orthodox primarily but there are others) exist separately from Catholicism but predate the reformation.

Ok, yeah that’s a good point. Orthodox not withstanding, then. That also includes “national” Catholic Churches which are mostly not in accordance with Rome. 

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[Roundybout]

13 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Or "we interpret literally" and then don't see the conflict between thou shalt not kill and the death penalty or an unjust war...or trump and christianity, for that matter.

 

and then there is that passage about "You are Peter.  And on this rock, I will build my church".  Amazingly, no mention of Luther or Calvin or Henry the 8th.

There’s also Romans 7 which states that Jesus fulfilled the word and the Holy Spirit becomes the law, not the “letter.” St. Irenaeus writes about this in his piece “On the Apostolic Teaching” which is a crucial piece of early Catholic history. 

[Joe Ferguson forever]

1 minute ago, Roundybout said:

There’s also Romans 7 which states that Jesus fulfilled the word and the Holy Spirit becomes the law, not the “letter.” St. Irenaeus writes about this in his piece “On the Apostolic Teaching” which is a crucial piece of early Catholic history. 

not aware.  will need to check them out.  One thing I found in my career tho:  People who constantly spout scripture (almost always fundamentalists) are some of the least Christian people in actions.  And this "Christian White Nationalism" is just unimaginable to me.  Yet there it is....

[Roundybout]

5 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

not aware.  will need to check them out.  One thing I found in my career tho:  People who constantly spout scripture (almost always fundamentalists) are some of the least Christian people in actions.  And this "Christian White Nationalism" is just unimaginable to me.  Yet there it is....

The early Church doctors and writers are fascinating. One of the best electives I ever took in college was a “Modern Christianity” course. 

[The Frankish Reich]

18 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

And this "Christian White Nationalism" is just unimaginable to me.  Yet there it is....

Exactly.

We even have Putin - Putin! - posing as some kind of defender of the (Russian Orthodox) faith.

[sherpa]

39 minutes ago, Joe Ferguson forever said:

Or "we interpret literally" and then don't see the conflict between thou shalt not kill and the death penalty or an unjust war...or trump and christianity, for that matter.

 

and then there is that passage about "You are Peter.  And on this rock, I will build my church".  Amazingly, no mention of Luther or Calvin or Henry the 8th.

 

There are different interpretations when translated.

They, and other scriptural content, argue against any establishment of how Catholics view the Pope. 

Clearly the history of "the Pope" is not one that indicates historical piety or credibility.

 

The Reformation was the result of people revolting to capitalizing the papal position.

[Joe Ferguson forever]

10 minutes ago, sherpa said:

There are different interpretations when translated.

That's my point.  There is no such thing as literal interpretation.  People color the different translations from Aramaic, Greek and Hebrew to suit their needs.  Re the reformation, i don't blame Luther for starting a new church in the face of buying indulgences.  However, "reformation" has veered far off from His original plan.  See "white Christian Nationalists" and Jerry Falwell Jr..  Yup, there were some bad popes.  They're men after all (x when acting ex cathedra), but I think it's better to have scholars interpret the bible than some guy who decided he was "reverend".

Edited August 29, 2023 by Joe Ferguson forever

[B-Man]

 

Prayers for him and his family.

 

 

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