Random Political Thoughts Inc.

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

You really do have some kind of cognitive issue, don’t you? Or are you allergic to responding to the point actually being argued? I am starting to feel bad for you. 

 

Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime. That’s the fact that is backed up time and time again when it is studied. 

You literally can't name one city much less three that have been improved, but present intentionally dishonest studies by smearing legal immigrants as criminals. My cognitive "issue" is I know what legal immigrants go through because of the mess that Dems have created at INS. 

[Doc]

They've hidden the true crime statistics.  That's been proven.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

7 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

A sanctuary city is simply a city where the local police do not do the work of federal immigration enforcement. 
 

It’s not at the expense of the safety of actual citizens since studies consistently show that sanctuary cities have no measurable impact on crime (and may even have a slight downward effect).

 

This makes sense to anyone who actually understands immigration and doesn’t get their news from a firehouse of misinformation as you seem to do, child. 

I think it’s undeniable that people victimized by violent criminals in the country illegally should consider themselves lucky because of the heavily researched downward effect study.  At a minimum, they should acknowledge that there was no appreciable effect on their quality of life—the murder/assualt/robbery/rape/crime actually is a net positive.  
 

I think the perpetrators are the real victims here.  It’s perp-blaming, and it’s wrong. 

[B-Man]

 

 

Hmmmmmm.

 

 

 

 

 

                                          

 

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[ChiGoose]

4 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

You literally can't name one city much less three that have been improved, but present intentionally dishonest studies by smearing legal immigrants as criminals. My cognitive "issue" is I know what legal immigrants go through because of the mess that Dems have created at INS. 

Ok, to make it simple for you because you’re clearly struggling here:

 

”Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime” =/= “Sanctuary cities make cities better*”

 

*”better” or “improved” are subjective and non-falsifiable terms you are confusing with a different falsifiable claim. 

4 hours ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

How is this possible if they are harboring people who are actively breaking the law? These people committed crimes to get there.

It is not a crime to be undocumented in the US. Something like 45% of people who we colloquially call “illegal immigrants” actually came here through legal means but are no longer in compliance (such as overstaying a visa or doing work that is not allowed under the visa that they came in on).

 

Additionally, the studies are looking at whether or not illegal immigrants commit crimes once they are here since that is an apples-to-apples comparison.

Edited December 29, 2024 by ChiGoose

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

55 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Ok, to make it simple for you because you’re clearly struggling here:

 

”Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime” =/= “Sanctuary cities make cities better*”

 

*”better” or “improved” are subjective and non-falsifiable terms you are confusing with a different falsifiable claim. 

It is not a crime to be undocumented in the US. Something like 45% of people who we colloquially call “illegal immigrants” actually came here through legal means but are no longer in compliance (such as overstaying a visa or doing work that is not allowed under the visa that they came in on).

 

Additionally, the studies are looking at whether or not illegal immigrants commit crimes once they are here since that is an apples-to-apples comparison.

How is it not a crime to be undocumented? That's clearly saying they came here illegally correct? I'm failing to understand your loophole.

[Doc]

6 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

How is it not a crime to be undocumented? That's clearly saying they came here illegally correct? I'm failing to understand your loophole.

 

They (oddly) don't believe that breaking into the country is a criminal act. 

[AlBUNDY4TDS]

Just now, Doc said:

 

They (oddly) don't believe that breaking into the country is a criminal act. 

Ahh but deporting them is inhumane correct and we should award them citizenship for breaking the law? Got it.

[Doc]

4 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

Ahh but deporting them is inhumane correct and we should award them citizenship for breaking the law? Got it.

 

Basically.  It's weird.

[Orlando Buffalo]

1 hour ago, ChiGoose said:

Ok, to make it simple for you because you’re clearly struggling here:

 

”Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime” =/= “Sanctuary cities make cities better*”

 

*”better” or “improved” are subjective and non-falsifiable terms you are confusing with a different falsifiable claim. 

We definitely disagree on the idea that tren de aragua is a benefit in NYC, along with the explosion of prostitution in NYC.  The fact that no one is arresting the girls does not mean they are not breaking the law. Lastly the fact that NYC does not have money for its own citizens because they have had to spend 6 billion on the illegals is a bad thing. That is all just one city, but your opinion that those items are my opinion of quality is telling of who you are. 

[ChiGoose]

58 minutes ago, AlBUNDY4TDS said:

How is it not a crime to be undocumented? That's clearly saying they came here illegally correct? I'm failing to understand your loophole.

It’s not my loophole, it’s the law. 
 

If people come here legally but overstay their welcome, that’s a civil matter, not a criminal one. Some examples of this would be someone being here on a visitor visa but then working without a work visa, or someone coming here on a student visa but quitting school to start a business.

As far as policy is concerned, I think our legal immigration system is an abject disaster and no attempt to resolve illegal immigration without addressing the problems with our legal immigration system is doomed to failure. 

30 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

We definitely disagree on the idea that tren de aragua is a benefit in NYC, along with the explosion of prostitution in NYC.  The fact that no one is arresting the girls does not mean they are not breaking the law. Lastly the fact that NYC does not have money for its own citizens because they have had to spend 6 billion on the illegals is a bad thing. That is all just one city, but your opinion that those items are my opinion of quality is telling of who you are. 

You keep doing the thing where you claim I said something I never did. Are you a child, or are you just dumb?

Edited December 29, 2024 by ChiGoose

[Orlando Buffalo]

8 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

 

As far as policy is concerned, I think our legal immigration system is an abject disaster and no attempt to resolve illegal immigration without addressing the problems with our legal immigration system is doomed to failure. 

You keep doing the thing where you claim I said something I never did. Are you a child, or are you just dumb?

The first part of this is the first intelligent thing you have said, but sadly you don't realize that your side has been in charge for 12 of the last 16 years and has caused the majority of the problems. 

 

As for the second part, you spend a lot of time arguing a point without ever saying anything. You literally stated "sanctuary cities make cities better",  I showed it did not in the case of NYC. Perhaps you can show me how NYC has been improved in ways I missed?

[ChiGoose]

44 minutes ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

The first part of this is the first intelligent thing you have said, but sadly you don't realize that your side has been in charge for 12 of the last 16 years and has caused the majority of the problems. 

 

As for the second part, you spend a lot of time arguing a point without ever saying anything. You literally stated "sanctuary cities make cities better",  I showed it did not in the case of NYC. Perhaps you can show me how NYC has been improved in ways I missed?

How old are you? 12? You are seemingly fundamentally incapable of staying on topic and insist on introducing straw men arguments.
 

In fact, your brain has been so pickled by your media bubble that there are very few actual arguments you present that are not a straw man. 

 

Please provide citation for the following: “You literally stated ‘sanctuary cities make cities better’”

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 hours ago, ChiGoose said:

 

 

”Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime” =/= “Sanctuary cities make cities better*”

 

 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

”Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime” =/= “Sanctuary cities make cities better*”

Holy *****. You really are ignorant, huh?

 

Imagine thinking that “=/=“ is the same as “=“

 

Incredible. Has anyone ever dunked on themselves this hard before?

[Orlando Buffalo]

4 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

How old are you? 12? You are seemingly fundamentally incapable of staying on topic and insist on introducing straw men arguments.
 

In fact, your brain has been so pickled by your media bubble that there are very few actual arguments you present that are not a straw man. 

There was a women set on fire in the NYC subway by an illegal last week and no one did anything and you think that is a straw man argument? You either have no clue what that means or you are far too immoral to realize what that means. You think tren de aragua is a straw man- then the Biden controlled DHS clearly is also into strawmen 

https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/us-news/tren-de-aragua-has-already-set-up-shop-in-these-16-states-homeland-security-warns/

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

There was a women set on fire in the NYC subway by an illegal last week and no one did anything and you think that is a straw man argument? You either have no clue what that means or you are far too immoral to realize what that means. You think tren de aragua is a straw man- then the Biden controlled DHS clearly is also into strawmen 

https://nypost.com/2024/11/19/us-news/tren-de-aragua-has-already-set-up-shop-in-these-16-states-homeland-security-warns/

“You think a strawman argument is a strawman argument? You think ‘does not equal’ doesn’t mean ‘equal’?”

 

Hey kid, maybe ask your parents to limit your internet access at this point because you clearly don’t understand how to use it without embarrassing yourself. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

Just now, ChiGoose said:

“You think a strawman argument is a strawman argument? You think ‘does not equal’ doesn’t mean ‘equal’?”

 

Hey kid, maybe ask your parents to limit your internet access at this point because you clearly don’t understand how to use it without embarrassing yourself. 

I will admit I misread your point of 

 

Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime” =/= “Sanctuary cities make cities better*”

 

I read the whole thing quickly assuming what direction you are going, my mistake. It is odd to me that you have spent this much time arguing for more illegals while admitting they don't improve anything. If you had anything you would stop with name calling and explain how NYC has benefitted. 

 

[ChiGoose]

1 minute ago, Orlando Buffalo said:

I will admit I misread your point of 

 

Sanctuary city policies do not increase crime” =/= “Sanctuary cities make cities better*”

 

I read the whole thing quickly assuming what direction you are going, my mistake. It is odd to me that you have spent this much time arguing for more illegals while admitting they don't improve anything. If you had anything you would stop with name calling and explain how NYC has benefitted. 

 

Please point to where I argued for more illegal immigrants. 

[Orlando Buffalo]

2 minutes ago, ChiGoose said:

Please point to where I argued for more illegal immigrants. 

You win, you have said nothing of substance and I have no idea what you believe. I can honestly state I have no idea if you actually believe the Dems did a good job or your TDS is so bad that anything Trump says must be bad.