todd Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Let the B word-slapping continue. So-Cal, you are offically Alaska Darin's B word. You should put that under your avatar. First off, nitwit, the ProBowl is generally a popularity contest. Think (that'll be an endeavor) Ruben Brown. Though given that criteria: Marvin Harrison, IND - First Round Draft Choice Chad Johnson, CIN - 2nd Round Draft Choice Andre Johnson, HOU - 1st Round Draft Choice Hines Ward, PIT - 3rd Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE Jonathan Ogden, BAL First Round Draft Choice Tarik Glenn, IND ## First Round Draft Choice Marvel Smith, PIT ## 2nd Round Draft Choice Willie Roaf, KC (injured) First Round Draft Choice Willie Anderson, CIN (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Alan Faneca, PIT First Round Draft Choice BY TOM DONAHOE Will Shields KC 3rd Round draft choice Brian Waters, KC UNDRAFTED Kevin Mawae, NYJ 2nd Round Draft Choice Jeff Hartings, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice Antonio Gates, SD UNDRAFTED Tony Gonzalez, KC 1st Round Draft Choice Peyton Manning, IND 1st Round Draft Choice Tom Brady, NE 6th Round Draft Choice Drew Brees, SD 2nd Round Draft Choice LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 1st Round Draft Choice Jerome Bettis, PIT ## 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to Pittsburgh BY TOM DONAHOE Rudi Johnson, CIN ## 6th Round Draft Choice Corey Dillon, NE ## (injured) 2nd Round Draft Choice Edgerrin James, IND (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Curtis Martin, NYJ (injured) 3rd Round draft choice Tony Richardson, KC UNDRAFTED DEFENSE (17) Jason Taylor, MIA 3rd Round draft choice Dwight Freeney, IND 1st Round Draft Choice Aaron Smith, PIT ## 4th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE John Abraham, NYJ (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Marcus Stroud, JAC 1st Round Draft Choice Sam Adams, BUF 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to BUFFALO BY TOM DONAHOE John Henderson, JAC ## 1st Round Draft Choice Richard Seymour, NE (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Takeo Spikes, BUF 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to BUFFALO BY TOM DONAHOE Terrell Suggs, BAL 1st Round Draft Choice Joey Porter, PIT 3rd Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE James Farrior, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice Tedy Bruschi, NE ## 3rd Round draft choice Ray Lewis, BAL (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Champ Bailey, DEN 1st Round Draft Choice Tory James, CIN 2nd Round Draft Choice Nate Clements, BUF ## 1st Round Draft Choice BY TOM DONAHOE Chris McAlister, BAL (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Ed Reed, BAL 1st Round Draft Choice Troy Polamalu, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice John Lynch, DEN 3rd Round draft choice Shane Lechler, OAK 6th Round Draft Choice Adam Vinatieri, NE UNDRAFTED Terrence McGee, BUF 4th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE Larry Izzo, NE UNDRAFTED Kendall Gammon, KC (need player) 11th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE That means that 10 of the 52 (19%) players on the AFC Pro Bowl roster were either drafted by, signed as a Free Agent, or traded for by Tom Donahoe. There are a total of SIX players on the AFC Pro Bowl roster drafted after the third round, and THREE (50%) of them were drafted by Tom Donahoe. 321422[/snapback]
GG Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 You another TD child? You'd have to go through the TD is Satan thread to get the answer to that one. Noticing a pattern here: anyone with over 5,000 posts, never mind. Yes, we're all part of the elite 5K post club that derives pleasure out of clubbing baby seals. I should have the temerity to know the answer, but you can "guess". I didn't ask the question, hence the difference. Never mind that Bills did send a 2nd day draft pick to the Pro Bowl last year. As to inane, the thread was about the draft. They do have a second day of thedraft last time I looked. Put DOWN the Kool-Aid. 321501[/snapback] The thread was about the idiocy of people grading the draft, two days after it happened, without any of the draftees putting on Bills' pads. If that isn't the definition of idiocy, I don't know what is. But have a field day along with BF turning it into the overall pattern of Bills sucking (which last year, they didn't)
todd Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 That's the problem! This is not an argument, I simply asking where allthe draft day 2 starters are on the roster? Don't see too many. 321442[/snapback] You are backtracking you little wussie! Out of last year's pro bowl roster, only 6 are 4th round and below. Only six! Of those six, two were drafted by donahoe. Do you know what percentage that is? Let me clue you in. ONE THIRD of the pro bowl players on last year's roster who were drafted below the 3rd round were drafted by Tom Donahoe! That means that there is no GM in the entire NFL who was better. So not only is your theory about Donahoe being a poor drafter incorrect, it is actually the opposite. Tom Donahoe is the best GM in the NFL at drafting Pro-Bowl players below the 3rd round. You may admit that you are a fool now. At the very least, a real man would admit that he is wrong. Facts tell me that you are.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Yeah, right. This team is BRIMMING with all kinds of 5'th and 6'th roundALL-PROs since TD has come here. He can barley even find starters after round 2. 319138[/snapback] Sorry to come in to this late...but I'm still trying to wrap my mind around whatever point there is to your arguments. So let me see if I this straight: You don't like Tom Donahoe because he only gets starters through the free agency and the first two rounds of the draft? That might possibly be the stupidest thing I've heard since the CD Burning thread. Maybe football's a little too complex for you; maybe you should try being a fan of...I don't know, maybe pro bowling or men's gymnastics.
Campy Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Noticing a pattern here: anyone with over 5,000 posts, never mind. 321501[/snapback] I have less than 5000 posts and I probably think you're more nuts than they do.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Sorry to come in to this late...but I'm still trying to wrap my mind around whatever point there is to your arguments. So let me see if I this straight: You don't like Tom Donahoe because he only gets starters through the free agency and the first two rounds of the draft? That might possibly be the stupidest thing I've heard since the CD Burning thread. Maybe football's a little too complex for you; maybe you should try being a fan of...I don't know, maybe pro bowling or men's gymnastics. 321512[/snapback] No, I don't like TD because the Bills are 26-38 with him as GM. Wrap your mind around that. The number on the left is wins, it's smaller than the number on the right. This is generally considered not good. Oh, your friend TODD is my first entry in the "IGNORE USER" sweepstakes. Anyone who has to use the word "B word" in a post more than once, is either still a teenager, or not very bright. Probably both.
Alaska Darin Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 You are backtracking you little wussie! Out of last year's pro bowl roster, only 6 are 4th round and below. Only six! Of those six, two were drafted by donahoe. Do you know what percentage that is? Let me clue you in. ONE THIRD of the pro bowl players on last year's roster who were drafted below the 3rd round were drafted by Tom Donahoe! That means that there is no GM in the entire NFL who was better. So not only is your theory about Donahoe being a poor drafter incorrect, it is actually the opposite. Tom Donahoe is the best GM in the NFL at drafting Pro-Bowl players below the 3rd round. You may admit that you are a fool now. At the very least, a real man would admit that he is wrong. Facts tell me that you are. 321511[/snapback] Actually of the six players drafted on day 2, THREE were drafted by Donahoe. That means half. But the rest of your post is dead on.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 I have less than 5000 posts and I probably think you're more nuts than they do. 321519[/snapback] Am I really crazy for expecting some draft day two starters? Maybe everyone else is right. They still sound like Kool-Aid drinkers.
Alaska Darin Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 No, I don't like TD because the Bills are 26-38 with him as GM. Wrap your mind around that. The number on the left is wins, it's smaller than the number on the right. This is generally considered not good. Oh, your friend TODD is my first entry in the "IGNORE USER" sweepstakes. Anyone who has to use the word "B word" in a post more than once, is either still a teenager, or not very bright. Probably both. 321520[/snapback] The first season was a wash and anyone with half a brain (which seemingly leaves you out) would understand that. Donahoe had the choice of continuing down the path of salary cap misery or taking the hit all at once. He chose the latter and the 3-13 record was the result. Making him pay for the sins of his predecessor and their abysmal draft in 2000 shows your ignorance. You can parrot the 26-38 all day long. It doesn't make you look any smarter. I like the "ignore user" thing - as if that makes your "points" any more lucid or has any merit whatsoever. Talk about overvaluing something.
stuckincincy Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 You are backtracking you little wussie! Out of last year's pro bowl roster, only 6 are 4th round and below. Only six! Of those six, two were drafted by donahoe. Do you know what percentage that is? Let me clue you in. ONE THIRD of the pro bowl players on last year's roster who were drafted below the 3rd round were drafted by Tom Donahoe! That means that there is no GM in the entire NFL who was better. So not only is your theory about Donahoe being a poor drafter incorrect, it is actually the opposite. Tom Donahoe is the best GM in the NFL at drafting Pro-Bowl players below the 3rd round. You may admit that you are a fool now. At the very least, a real man would admit that he is wrong. Facts tell me that you are. 321511[/snapback] Hmmm....nice of him to enrich clubs other than the Bills. Seems he's not doing so well for the hometown boys, though...
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Hmmm....nice of him to enrich clubs other than the Bills. Seems he's not doing so well for the hometown boys, though... 321527[/snapback] TD seems to get a lot of credit for drafting, building the Steelers from the Kool-Aid drinkers. They seem to have done well with out him. Apparently Pittsburg Steeler management didn't hold him in that high of regard. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Mcgee was a nice pick. He made the Pro Bowl as a special teams player, which is nice. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
GG Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Am I really crazy for expecting some draft day two starters?Maybe everyone else is right. They still sound like Kool-Aid drinkers. 321522[/snapback] Yes you are, because day two starters are rare in the NFL. Care to peruse the link that Darin provided to see how TD's late draft picks stack up with respect to the league? Hint: Kool-Aid tastes much better when you have facts to back your opinion.
kegtapr Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Anyone who has to use the word "B word" in a post more than once, is either still a teenager, or not very bright. Probably both. 321520[/snapback] Anyone who has to use the term kool-aid drinkers more then 10 times in a thread......nevermind
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Yes you are, because day two starters are rare in the NFL. Care to peruse the link that Darin provided to see how TD's late draft picks stack up with respect to the league? Hint: Kool-Aid tastes much better when you have facts to back your opinion. 321554[/snapback] AD references mostly players from Pittsburg. Not Buffalo Bills. New England has I believe 5 day two starters in five years, not rare for them. And they are obviously a much better team, much harder to make that team.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 No, I don't like TD because the Bills are 26-38 with him as GM. Oh. THAT'S why you brought up all that crap about the draft. And it's just my personal opinion...but given that the cap-related bloodletting in his first 3-13 season was inveitable, I'd discount that from his overall record simply on the premise that we had to suffer through a terrible season to clear the cap room so he could start building a contender. Realistically, Donahoe's 23-25 in the seasons where his goal was signing talent rather than pruning the cap. Of course, that makes a certain sense, so I'm sure YOU won't buy it... Oh, your friend TODD is my first entry in the "IGNORE USER" sweepstakes. 321520[/snapback] Todd's not my friend. He's a total goddamned stranger. I don't have friends, in fact. Nonetheless, I'm sure he's positively crushed at being ignored by you...nothing says "I'm a pansy ass little girly man" quite like pointedly telling someone you're ignoring them and believing you've in some way one-upped them. Anyone who has to use the word "B word" in a post more than once, is either still a teenager, or not very bright. Probably both. Yeah, because that's so much more intellectual and mature than It's going to take more than some guy with bad teeth and a joblessguy in Alaska! You're just all kinds of stupid today, aren't you? Auditioning to be the poster boy for negative Wonderlic scores or something?
Tossy McSalad Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 I'm a pansy ass little girly man 321563[/snapback] I'm so all over that.
Alaska Darin Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 AD references mostly players from Pittsburg. Not Buffalo Bills. New England has I believe 5 day two starters in five years, not rare for them. And they are obviously a much better team, much harder to make that team. 321562[/snapback] Uh, Donahoe wasn't here in 2000. In case you're wondering why that matters, THREE of the five 2nd day starters on the NE roster were drafted that season or before. Which means that since TD has been our GM, they've drafted exactly TWO second day starters. We have drafted ONE - the same exact number the Philadelphia Eagles drafted over the same period. Ooh, they're all so very much better than we are in that department. The Patriots are clearly better than the BILLS at ONE position. Quarterback.
IDBillzFan Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 ...nothing says "I'm a pansy ass little girly man" quite like pointedly telling someone you're ignoring them and believing you've in some way one-upped them.321563[/snapback] HEY!
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 HEY! 321576[/snapback] Oh, shut up. I'm ignoring you. And I'm better than you because of it.
GG Posted April 28, 2005 Posted April 28, 2005 AD references mostly players from Pittsburg. Not Buffalo Bills. Actually, Darin provided you with a link to drafthistory.com where you can easily compare TD's drafts to the 31 other teams and see how much he sucks for yourself. You can only focus on years 2001- 2004, if you like. New England has I believe 5 day two starters in five years, not rare for them. And they are obviously a much better team, much harder to make that team. And which part of this did you miss: GG .... To my knowledge, Patriots & Eagles are tops in the league in developing their own talent and getting max utility out of all players brought in the system. Otherwise, I doubt that TD's record is worse than the mean in the leagu, and I'd guess that he's in the top 10. If you admit that Patriots are the cream of the crop, of Bills' 38 losses during his tenure, 7 have come directly from the best team in the league. If we follow the logic of "what have you done for me lately" by discounting the first year - Bills' record is 22 - 20 against teams that are not Patriots. We're not even going to take this into the tangent of what would people think of this team had it the fortune of being placed in NFC West over the past 2 years.
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