todd Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Ouch! 321165[/snapback] Whatever. It's easy to take a thoughtless opinion that matches your own thoughtless opinion and say "Ouch!"
BF_in_Indiana Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Whatever. It's easy to take a thoughtless opinion that matches your own thoughtless opinion and say "Ouch!" 321289[/snapback] Please explain what is so "thoughtless" about it? It is a FACT that the Buffalo Bills have spent a lot of money on free agents under Donahoe yet his teams are only 26-38 over his tenure. You have yet to provide one FACT to support your claim that the Bills are headed in the right direction. You could try to point out that we finished 9-7 last year which is a step up, but then we went and dumped Bledsoe and are now starting a rookie quarterback. So before you call everything presented on the negative side of the Donahoe debate "thoughtless" it would help if you could defend him yourself with some facts.
bobblehead Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 You have yet to provide one FACT to support your claim that the Bills are headed in the right direction. You could try to point out that we finished 9-7 last year which is a step up, but then we went and dumped Bledsoe and are now starting a rookie quarterback. 321302[/snapback] You're right, he couldn't. He provided two facts.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 He can probably spell "barely", though. BTW, I see you didn't learn from being B word slapped on this subject the last time. 319233[/snapback] Yeah, by all the Kool-Aid drinkers. See mirror. And where are all the 5th, 6th round Pro Bowlers? Hell, where are the 5th, 6th round starters? I just don't see them.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 NO, but opinions based on bullcrap do. You don't realize that in all your criticism you present an obviously lopsided view of reality. Donahoe has made some mistakes - show me a GM who hasn't -- but he's also done some damn smart things. And I think the good outweighs the bad. If you don't take the good with the bad and evaluate it as a whole -- which you and your anti-Donahoe nazis continually do, it's difficult to have a rational discussion. End of story. 321286[/snapback] 26-38. Put down the Kool-Aid.
todd Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 26-38. Put down the Kool-Aid. 321349[/snapback] That's exactly what I'm talking about. Opinions in a vacum. I'm surprised you keep coming back for more, given the royal bitchslap you've been dealt here in the past.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 That's exactly what I'm talking about. Opinions in a vacum. I'm surprised you keep coming back for more, given the royal bitchslap you've been dealt here in the past. 321393[/snapback] It's going to take more than some guy with bad teeth and a jobless guy in Alaska! Anyway, where are all the second day starters? Still waiting to hear back on that one. Also, I generally consider the source and am learning to stay clear of TD'd children. You know who you are. And oh, 26-38 is not an opinion, it is the Buffalo Bills record under Ole' Whitey's tenure. Really, I checked.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Please explain what is so "thoughtless" about it? It is a FACT that the Buffalo Bills have spent a lot of money on free agents under Donahoe yet his teams are only 26-38 over his tenure. You have yet to provide one FACT to support your claim that the Bills are headed in the right direction. You could try to point out that we finished 9-7 last year which is a step up, but then we went and dumped Bledsoe and are now starting a rookie quarterback. So before you call everything presented on the negative side of the Donahoe debate "thoughtless" it would help if you could defend him yourself with some facts. 321302[/snapback] I'm warning you, be careful. The Kool-Aid drinkers don't like to be upset.
Alaska Darin Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Yeah, by all the Kool-Aid drinkers. See mirror. And where are all the 5th, 6th round Pro Bowlers? Hell, where are the 5th, 6th round starters? I just don't see them. 321340[/snapback] First off, nitwit, the ProBowl is generally a popularity contest. Think (that'll be an endeavor) Ruben Brown. Though given that criteria: Marvin Harrison, IND - First Round Draft Choice Chad Johnson, CIN - 2nd Round Draft Choice Andre Johnson, HOU - 1st Round Draft Choice Hines Ward, PIT - 3rd Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE Jonathan Ogden, BAL First Round Draft Choice Tarik Glenn, IND ## First Round Draft Choice Marvel Smith, PIT ## 2nd Round Draft Choice Willie Roaf, KC (injured) First Round Draft Choice Willie Anderson, CIN (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Alan Faneca, PIT First Round Draft Choice BY TOM DONAHOE Will Shields KC 3rd Round draft choice Brian Waters, KC UNDRAFTED Kevin Mawae, NYJ 2nd Round Draft Choice Jeff Hartings, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice Antonio Gates, SD UNDRAFTED Tony Gonzalez, KC 1st Round Draft Choice Peyton Manning, IND 1st Round Draft Choice Tom Brady, NE 6th Round Draft Choice Drew Brees, SD 2nd Round Draft Choice LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 1st Round Draft Choice Jerome Bettis, PIT ## 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to Pittsburgh BY TOM DONAHOE Rudi Johnson, CIN ## 6th Round Draft Choice Corey Dillon, NE ## (injured) 2nd Round Draft Choice Edgerrin James, IND (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Curtis Martin, NYJ (injured) 3rd Round draft choice Tony Richardson, KC UNDRAFTED DEFENSE (17) Jason Taylor, MIA 3rd Round draft choice Dwight Freeney, IND 1st Round Draft Choice Aaron Smith, PIT ## 4th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE John Abraham, NYJ (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Marcus Stroud, JAC 1st Round Draft Choice Sam Adams, BUF 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to BUFFALO BY TOM DONAHOE John Henderson, JAC ## 1st Round Draft Choice Richard Seymour, NE (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Takeo Spikes, BUF 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to BUFFALO BY TOM DONAHOE Terrell Suggs, BAL 1st Round Draft Choice Joey Porter, PIT 3rd Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE James Farrior, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice Tedy Bruschi, NE ## 3rd Round draft choice Ray Lewis, BAL (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Champ Bailey, DEN 1st Round Draft Choice Tory James, CIN 2nd Round Draft Choice Nate Clements, BUF ## 1st Round Draft Choice BY TOM DONAHOE Chris McAlister, BAL (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Ed Reed, BAL 1st Round Draft Choice Troy Polamalu, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice John Lynch, DEN 3rd Round draft choice Shane Lechler, OAK 6th Round Draft Choice Adam Vinatieri, NE UNDRAFTED Terrence McGee, BUF 4th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE Larry Izzo, NE UNDRAFTED Kendall Gammon, KC (need player) 11th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE That means that 10 of the 52 (19%) players on the AFC Pro Bowl roster were either drafted by, signed as a Free Agent, or traded for by Tom Donahoe. There are a total of SIX players on the AFC Pro Bowl roster drafted after the third round, and THREE (50%) of them were drafted by Tom Donahoe.
bobblehead Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 It's going to take more than some guy with bad teeth and a joblessguy in Alaska! Anyway, where are all the second day starters? Still waiting to hear back on that one. Also, I generally consider the source and am learning to stay clear of TD'd children. You know who you are. And oh, 26-38 is not an opinion, it is the Buffalo Bills record under Ole' Whitey's tenure. Really, I checked. 321411[/snapback] I will bet you whatever amount you deem necessary that everyone who has run you over about this in every pointless thread is probably just as critical of Tom Donahoe as you are, but are rational enough to consider his successes and his worth to the franchise as well. Everyone here knows full well that Buffalo needs a playoff appearance or TD is most likely gone at the end of his contract. TD will tell you that himself. So why must you continue trying to tell us what we think of him, whether we think it or not?
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 First off, nitwit, the ProBowl is generally a popularity contest. Think (that'll be an endeavor) Ruben Brown. Though given that criteria: Marvin Harrison, IND - First Round Draft Choice Chad Johnson, CIN - 2nd Round Draft Choice Andre Johnson, HOU - 1st Round Draft Choice Hines Ward, PIT - 3rd Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE Jonathan Ogden, BAL First Round Draft Choice Tarik Glenn, IND ## First Round Draft Choice Marvel Smith, PIT ## 2nd Round Draft Choice Willie Roaf, KC (injured) First Round Draft Choice Willie Anderson, CIN (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Alan Faneca, PIT First Round Draft Choice BY TOM DONAHOE Will Shields KC 3rd Round draft choice Brian Waters, KC UNDRAFTED Kevin Mawae, NYJ 2nd Round Draft Choice Jeff Hartings, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice Antonio Gates, SD UNDRAFTED Tony Gonzalez, KC 1st Round Draft Choice Peyton Manning, IND 1st Round Draft Choice Tom Brady, NE 6th Round Draft Choice Drew Brees, SD 2nd Round Draft Choice LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 1st Round Draft Choice Jerome Bettis, PIT ## 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to Pittsburgh BY TOM DONAHOE Rudi Johnson, CIN ## 6th Round Draft Choice Corey Dillon, NE ## (injured) 2nd Round Draft Choice Edgerrin James, IND (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Curtis Martin, NYJ (injured) 3rd Round draft choice Tony Richardson, KC UNDRAFTED DEFENSE (17) Jason Taylor, MIA 3rd Round draft choice Dwight Freeney, IND 1st Round Draft Choice Aaron Smith, PIT ## 4th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE John Abraham, NYJ (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Marcus Stroud, JAC 1st Round Draft Choice Sam Adams, BUF 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to BUFFALO BY TOM DONAHOE John Henderson, JAC ## 1st Round Draft Choice Richard Seymour, NE (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Takeo Spikes, BUF 1st Round Draft Choice Brought to BUFFALO BY TOM DONAHOE Terrell Suggs, BAL 1st Round Draft Choice Joey Porter, PIT 3rd Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE James Farrior, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice Tedy Bruschi, NE ## 3rd Round draft choice Ray Lewis, BAL (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Champ Bailey, DEN 1st Round Draft Choice Tory James, CIN 2nd Round Draft Choice Nate Clements, BUF ## 1st Round Draft Choice Chris McAlister, BAL (injured) 1st Round Draft Choice Ed Reed, BAL 1st Round Draft Choice Troy Polamalu, PIT 1st Round Draft Choice John Lynch, DEN 3rd Round draft choice Shane Lechler, OAK 6th Round Draft Choice Adam Vinatieri, NE UNDRAFTED Terrence McGee, BUF 4th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE Larry Izzo, NE UNDRAFTED Kendall Gammon, KC (need player) 11th Round draft choice BY TOM DONAHOE That means that 9 of the 52 (17%) players on the AFC Pro Bowl roster were either drafted by, signed as a Free Agent, or traded for by Tom Donahoe. There are a total of SIX players on the AFC Pro Bowl roster drafted after the third round, and THREE (50%) of them were drafted by Tom Donahoe. 321422[/snapback] Dear underachieving nitwit, those are very interesting pieces of data. I did not bring up the Pro Bowl, another poster on the thread did. What does this have to do with the Buffalo Bills draft over the last four years. I see one starter, McGee, drafted on the second day of the draft on our roster. Seriously, what is so difficult to grasp about this concept?
Alaska Darin Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Dear underachieving nitwit, those are very interesting pieces of data. Way to man up. I did not bring up the Pro Bowl, another poster on the thread did. Uh, yeah... Yeah, by all the Kool-Aid drinkers. And where are all the 5th, 6th round Pro Bowlers? 321340[/snapback] Hard to lie about it when it's right there for everyone to see. I see one starter, McGee, drafted on the second day of the draft on our roster.Seriously, what is so difficult to grasp about this concept? If you'd take your tongue off the window, you might be able to understand how bad you're losing this argument. The windex must be affecting your cognitive reasoning ability. Perhaps you could apply for a grant to study yourself.
bobblehead Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 And where are all the 5th, 6th round Pro Bowlers? 321340[/snapback] I did not bring up the Pro Bowl, another poster on the thread did. I'm actually rooting for you now.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Way to man up.Uh, yeah... Hard to lie about it when it's right there for everyone to see. If you'd take your tongue off the window, you might be able to understand how bad you're losing this argument. The windex must be affecting your cognitive reasoning ability. Perhaps you could apply for a grant to study yourself. 321433[/snapback] That's the problem! This is not an argument, I simply asking where all the draft day 2 starters are on the roster? Don't see too many.
Alaska Darin Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 That's the problem! This is not an argument, I simply asking where allthe draft day 2 starters are on the roster? Don't see too many. 321442[/snapback] Which is pretty much exactly the same as every other team in the NFL. Welcome to reality. Go over to drafthistory.com and take a look at every draft over the last decade. You may actually learn something.
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 I did not bring up the Pro Bowl, another poster on the thread did. I'm actually rooting for you now. 321440[/snapback] Please don't. You should read the thread before jumping on someone else's mistake. See page one (1) of the thread referencing 5'th and 6'th round Pro Bowlers. Again, I did not bring this up, simply responded, and the Kool-Aid drinkers don't like it. Regarding TD's success, we must have different opinions of that. One year with one game over .500 is not success. It's called average.
Alaska Darin Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Please don't. You should read the thread before jumping on someone else's mistake. See page one (1) of the thread referencing 5'th and 6'th round Pro Bowlers. Again, I did not bring this up, simply responded, and the Kool-Aid drinkers don't like it. Regarding TD's success, we must have different opinions of that. One year with one game over .500 is not success. It's called average. 321451[/snapback] Just when I think someone has proven how big an idiot they can be, they grab a pickaxe and chip away another layer. Give it up, Sparky.
GG Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 I'm actually rooting for you now. 321440[/snapback] You should read the thread before jumping on someone else's mistake. See page one (1) of the thread referencing 5'th and 6'th round Pro Bowlers. What does it matter who brought it up first? You did not respond to the question, you parroted the question - (big difference), thus you got the response as well. As to the inane point of 2nd day draftees as starters, if you ask the question, you should have the temerity to know the answer. And not just in the vacuum of the Bills' roster and how many 2nd day draftees by TD are starting, but how does his record compare to the league at large. To my knowledge, Patriots & Eagles are tops in the league in developing their own talent and getting max utility out of all players brought in the system. Otherwise, I doubt that TD's record is worse than the mean in the leagu, and I'd guess that he's in the top 10. Regarding TD's success, we must have different opinions of that. One year withone game over .500 is not success. It's called average. 321451[/snapback] Twisting the argument a bit? The thread started as to the Bills not sucking, not that they are successful. Being average means they don't suck.
Crap Throwing Monkey Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 Holy crap! SoCal's beating is almost as good as Sue's in the homework thread, or BF and Tracy in the CD burning thread. Classic stuff...
San-O Posted April 27, 2005 Posted April 27, 2005 What does it matter who brought it up first? You did not respond to the question, you parroted the question - (big difference), thus you got the response as well. As to the inane point of 2nd day draftees as starters, if you ask the question, you should have the temerity to know the answer. And not just in the vacuum of the Bills' roster and how many 2nd day draftees by TD are starting, but how does his record compare to the league at large. To my knowledge, Patriots & Eagles are tops in the league in developing their own talent and getting max utility out of all players brought in the system. Otherwise, I doubt that TD's record is worse than the mean in the leagu, and I'd guess that he's in the top 10. Twisting the argument a bit? The thread started as to the Bills not sucking, not that they are successful. Being average means they don't suck. 321475[/snapback] You another TD child? Noticing a pattern here: anyone with over 5,000 posts, never mind. I should have the temerity to know the answer, but you can "guess". As to inane, the thread was about the draft. They do have a second day of the draft last time I looked. Put DOWN the Kool-Aid.
Recommended Posts