Report: Former NFL player Phillip Adams kills 5 in South Carolina, then himself

[Draconator]

I suffer from a mental illness, Bipolar I with Rapid Cycling. Rapid Cycling meaning I can go from Manic to Depressed in a matter of hours. Thankfully I'm in remission. But when I was cycling, the only harm I ever thought to do was to myself. When I lived in California, in the fall of 2012, I stood on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, hands on the railing, ready to launch myself over the edge. Thankfully for me, a friend called and suggested that I go to the psychiatric ER one more time. If it didn't help, then I would have a free pass to jump. I went to the ER, had my meds immediately adjusted, and 6 months later reconnected with my now wife. 

 

When I was at my lowest, all I could think about was my daughter (who was 9 at the time), and how her mother and her mother's fiancee would take so much better care of my daughter than I ever could. I didn't want to be a burden to her anymore. Ending my life was the best solution (or so what was going through my mind) for everyone involved. 

 

Not once did I ever think about taking my daughter out, taking her mother out, taking anyone else out. It was going to be me taking myself out. What happened here is not a form of mental illness. it's just something I can't comprehend. The killing of a 5 and 9 year old, innocent children, is inexcusable, period. Killing another life is inexcusable, but especially young children.

 

Make all the excuses you want, but there is no excuse for ending the life of people who had their whole life in front of them. 

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

I will say that I stand corrected in part. I didn’t realize it, but you are right that speed positions like CB, WR, and LB tend to have the highest concussions. 
 

but this study (summarized in the article below) shows that the types of concussions are much different between speed and non-speed players, such that the concussions that linemen get are much more likely to lead to CTE.

 

https://www.inverse.com/article/37934-nfl-funded-study-brain-injury

 

With CTE still being in its infancy we're learning more and more about it every single day

 

300 lb men banging heads has more impact then 200 lb men? Who would have thought 

 

But in 30 years I guarantee you they won't be talking about if a person with CTE played lineman or corner, head trauma is head trauma and it's very serious 

 

And we still don't no much about CTE

[H2o]

30 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

 

 

 

You guys think he was suffering, just a little bit, from mental illness?

You think he killed children, and himself, because he's a "piece of crap"?

 

Your responses here show zero intelligence, zero compassion, and are consistent with a 13 year old's level of thinking.

Congratulations.

 

 

 

For a person to end multiple lives, whether children were involved or not, and finalize it by taking their own pretty much seals their fate. Because I'm not typing every single feeling or thought I have on the situation doesn't prove "zero intelligence" or "zero compassion" as you seem to claim, but was just a general statement about the final destination of the person who committed the acts. To me it's fairly cut and dry regardless of whatever else you try to read into it. 

19 minutes ago, Draconator said:

I suffer from a mental illness, Bipolar I with Rapid Cycling. Rapid Cycling meaning I can go from Manic to Depressed in a matter of hours. Thankfully I'm in remission. But when I was cycling, the only harm I ever thought to do was to myself. When I lived in California, in the fall of 2012, I stood on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, hands on the railing, ready to launch myself over the edge. Thankfully for me, a friend called and suggested that I go to the psychiatric ER one more time. If it didn't help, then I would have a free pass to jump. I went to the ER, had my meds immediately adjusted, and 6 months later reconnected with my now wife. 

 

When I was at my lowest, all I could think about was my daughter (who was 9 at the time), and how her mother and her mother's fiancee would take so much better care of my daughter than I ever could. I didn't want to be a burden to her anymore. Ending my life was the best solution (or so what was going through my mind) for everyone involved. 

 

Not once did I ever think about taking my daughter out, taking her mother out, taking anyone else out. It was going to be me taking myself out. What happened here is not a form of mental illness. it's just something I can't comprehend. The killing of a 5 and 9 year old, innocent children, is inexcusable, period. Killing another life is inexcusable, but especially young children.

 

Make all the excuses you want, but there is no excuse for ending the life of people who had their whole life in front of them. 

Glad things are coming together for you my friend and that you finally found the right combination that helps. Continue the good fight and just know there are people who genuinely love and need you in their lives. 

[MiltonWaddams]

57 minutes ago, Nextmanup said:

 

 

 

 

You guys think he was suffering, just a little bit, from mental illness?

You think he killed children, and himself, because he's a "piece of crap"?

 

Your responses here show zero intelligence, zero compassion, and are consistent with a 13 year old's level of thinking.

Congratulations.

 

 

 

My heart bleeds for the children and the parents who lost them. Not for the person who took their lives.  
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[LeGOATski]

5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Need to have sympathy for the criminal/murderer....I guess.

Sympathy for the Devil

 

Great song

[RangerDave]

6 hours ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said:

He must have been suffering a great deal

 

I am both the perpetrator and the victim.

I truly have empathy for you and others who suffer from mental illness, as I do for people suffering from physical illnesses.....up to the point where the sufferers kill others.  At that point, they are criminals in my book.  That leaves 99.9+% of people with mental illnesses in my good graces.  The others, not so much.

[Augie]

7 hours ago, SCBills said:

I'm in Greenville, SC right now and this is all over the news.  Absolutely sickening. 

 

My wife is from Rock Hill and her brother is on her way here from Greenville, SC. Great town! Good for you. If it were warmer I’d consider it as a retirement location. 

 

 

Some threads I don’t mind derailing, if even just a little bit. Horrible news....   

[T master]

You would think those close to him might or should have seen something that would have clued them in that he had something that wasn't quite right with his actions or thoughts prior to what he did .

 

Or if he acted in a way that was hateful all the time someone close to him should have had concerns i would think could be wrong been wrong a lot but just thinking out loud .

 

If it's pain killlers/opioids at the center of it they need to just take that crap off the market or hold those for keeping them plentiful responsible but all those that profit from it is apparently more important than peoples lives they are destroying !

 

I remember back in the day when i was a kid they took drugs like orange sunshine off the market because people were getting high to much on it but wasn't killing people why is this crap opioids still out there ? Oh yah it's all about the money ...

 

[PrimeTime101]

4 hours ago, Draconator said:

I suffer from a mental illness, Bipolar I with Rapid Cycling. Rapid Cycling meaning I can go from Manic to Depressed in a matter of hours. Thankfully I'm in remission. But when I was cycling, the only harm I ever thought to do was to myself. When I lived in California, in the fall of 2012, I stood on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, hands on the railing, ready to launch myself over the edge. Thankfully for me, a friend called and suggested that I go to the psychiatric ER one more time. If it didn't help, then I would have a free pass to jump. I went to the ER, had my meds immediately adjusted, and 6 months later reconnected with my now wife. 

 

When I was at my lowest, all I could think about was my daughter (who was 9 at the time), and how her mother and her mother's fiancee would take so much better care of my daughter than I ever could. I didn't want to be a burden to her anymore. Ending my life was the best solution (or so what was going through my mind) for everyone involved. 

 

Not once did I ever think about taking my daughter out, taking her mother out, taking anyone else out. It was going to be me taking myself out. What happened here is not a form of mental illness. it's just something I can't comprehend. The killing of a 5 and 9 year old, innocent children, is inexcusable, period. Killing another life is inexcusable, but especially young children.

 

Make all the excuses you want, but there is no excuse for ending the life of people who had their whole life in front of them. 

First and foremost thank you for sharing. I agree that there is never an excuse. That being said, extreme mental illness is getting worse in this country and around the world. Even though as of now we know very little about CTE, It can be considered an extreme mental illness that many of us will never understand. It is sad.. I feel bad for all involved. 

 

And as for all you "rot in hell" posts.. The last time I checked, most religions believe one sin is no worse then another. Another words Stealing and or using gods name in vain is no different then murder. 

 

Again not saying I disagree ... Just saying.. I guess maybe in times like this I have to remind myself. and in typing this it is what I am doing.

 

sorry if this went to far.

[Draconator]

52 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

First and foremost thank you for sharing. I agree that there is never an excuse. That being said, extreme mental illness is getting worse in this country and around the world. Even though as of now we know very little about CTE, It can be considered an extreme mental illness that many of us will never understand. It is sad.. I feel bad for all involved. 

 

And as for all you "rot in hell" posts.. The last time I checked, most religions believe one sin is no worse then another. Another words Stealing and or using gods name in vain is no different then murder. 

 

Again not saying I disagree ... Just saying.. I guess maybe in times like this I have to remind myself. and in typing this it is what I am doing.

 

sorry if this went to far.

 

My Bipolar is the most "Extreme" on the scale of two. (Bipolar I and Bipolar II). Most people that I have come across that had the same diagnosis would drive 85 mph in a 30 mph zone totally sober, or spend rent money at a Reno casino, you know, to also pay the electric bill and a nice steak dinner while you're in Reno. That was as extreme as you would get. So "extreme mental illness" has to have a number of factors, not just CTE, but that along with some other underlying, undiagnosed condition, that could cause someone to get to this point. I'll never understand it though. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, Draconator said:

I suffer from a mental illness, Bipolar I with Rapid Cycling. Rapid Cycling meaning I can go from Manic to Depressed in a matter of hours. Thankfully I'm in remission. But when I was cycling, the only harm I ever thought to do was to myself. When I lived in California, in the fall of 2012, I stood on the deck of the Golden Gate Bridge, hands on the railing, ready to launch myself over the edge. Thankfully for me, a friend called and suggested that I go to the psychiatric ER one more time. If it didn't help, then I would have a free pass to jump. I went to the ER, had my meds immediately adjusted, and 6 months later reconnected with my now wife. 

 

When I was at my lowest, all I could think about was my daughter (who was 9 at the time), and how her mother and her mother's fiancee would take so much better care of my daughter than I ever could. I didn't want to be a burden to her anymore. Ending my life was the best solution (or so what was going through my mind) for everyone involved. 

 

Not once did I ever think about taking my daughter out, taking her mother out, taking anyone else out. It was going to be me taking myself out. What happened here is not a form of mental illness. it's just something I can't comprehend. The killing of a 5 and 9 year old, innocent children, is inexcusable, period. Killing another life is inexcusable, but especially young children.

 

Make all the excuses you want, but there is no excuse for ending the life of people who had their whole life in front of them. 

 

I'm so glad your friend called.

 

Also glad things are stable for you.  One of my best college friends was diagnosed during college, so I got a front row seat to what happened as the yet undiagnosed, untreated disease unfolded.  Good times (not)

 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

7 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:

I’m not excusing anything... what happened is tragic and disgusting. 
 

What if the cause of his rampage was a degenerative brain disease that greatly influences your ability to think rationally, causes suicidal and destructive thoughts and heightens impulsive behavior? He’s just a monster and that’s it? 
 

If you look up the symptoms one of them is “uncontrollable aggression.”  

 

 I struggle with this.

 

On the other hand, I know mental illness is real.  I've experienced a traumatic brain injury and its aftermath.

 

On the other hand, I would want to know a whole lot more about the situation before attributing a degenerative brain disease as the cause.

 

A lot of people develop CTE and have behavioral and mental changes, without committing massacres or harm to any beyond themselves.

I tend to believe there are probably other factors, be that additional mental illness, or a past history of association with violence

 

But who knows

 

At this point, my sympathy is with the victims

 

[4_kidd_4]

 

[Draconator]

10 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

I'm so glad your friend called.

 

Also glad things are stable for you.  One of my best college friends was diagnosed during college, so I got a front row seat to what happened as the yet undiagnosed, untreated disease unfolded.  Good times (not)

 

Thank you, and no. The undiagnosed and untreated me was not a pleasant person to be around. I could be fun-loving and laughing one minute, and then be angry and heated the very next second. 

[Niagara Bill]

Drugs, guns and mental illness (causes vary) is a deadly combination. Apparently society has not got the will to deal with any of these ingredients.

Occasionally the lucky few find a solution to the mental illness portion (usually after a long difficult period of time). The other two contributors, society loves.

[Homey D. Clown]

Of all the things not really football related that shouldn't be discussed here, this is one of them.  Did he play football, yep.  Are we discussing his football career, nope.  I've had posts deleted for far less.

 

Maybe instead of everyone judging the guy, we let a Higher power do that, and pray for ALL those who died on that day.  It's not for me or anyone else on this planet to determine where this man will spend eternity, and since I don't know that, I won't condemn him.

 

Trying to understand the cause for his actions makes us human.  Mocking or criticizing those who seek to understand makes you a douche.

[Draconator]

9 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

Of all the things not really football related that shouldn't be discussed here, this is one of them.  Did he play football, yep.  Are we discussing his football career, nope.  I've had posts deleted for far less.

 

Maybe instead of everyone judging the guy, we let a Higher power do that, and pray for ALL those who died on that day.  It's not for me or anyone else on this planet to determine where this man will spend eternity, and since I don't know that, I won't condemn him.

 

Trying to understand the cause for his actions makes us human.  Mocking or criticizing those who seek to understand makes you a douche.

Don't like it, start your own board. Pro tip, it ain't free. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

13 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

Of all the things not really football related that shouldn't be discussed here, this is one of them.  Did he play football, yep.  Are we discussing his football career, nope.  I've had posts deleted for far less.

 

Maybe instead of everyone judging the guy, we let a Higher power do that, and pray for ALL those who died on that day.  It's not for me or anyone else on this planet to determine where this man will spend eternity, and since I don't know that, I won't condemn him.

 

Trying to understand the cause for his actions makes us human.  Mocking or criticizing those who seek to understand makes you a douche.

 

Don't shadow-mod please.  (tip: every time someone pushes a narrative about actions against them, for some reason the story is seldom straight)

 

It's the off-season.  We've got a thread right now on whether Cantaloupe is the "offensive lineman" of the fruit salad FerGoshSakes.

 

The rest of your sentiments are too well expressed to be hidden and I avoid editing, so post stays.

 

 

[mead107]

Wasn’t he on the patriots for a short time? 
 

 

[Royale with Cheese]

18 minutes ago, Homey D. Clown said:

Of all the things not really football related that shouldn't be discussed here, this is one of them.  Did he play football, yep.  Are we discussing his football career, nope.  I've had posts deleted for far less.

 

Maybe instead of everyone judging the guy, we let a Higher power do that, and pray for ALL those who died on that day.  It's not for me or anyone else on this planet to determine where this man will spend eternity, and since I don't know that, I won't condemn him.

 

Trying to understand the cause for his actions makes us human.  Mocking or criticizing those who seek to understand makes you a douche.

 

We aren't judging this guy, we know he is a murderer....that's factual.  He murdered 5 people including children so yes, we can condemn him because we are allowed free thinking.