Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 2:18 PM, wppete said: Report: Former NFL player Phillip Adams kills 5 in South Carolina, then himself https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/31214902/report-former-nfl-player-phillip-adams-kills-5-himself Played for San Francisco and the Raiders. Went to South Carolina University. https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AdamPh00.htm Expand Oh, sweet Lord Jesus save us. What a horrible, horrible thing. On 4/8/2021 at 2:23 PM, MJS said: Killed a 9 year old and a 5 year old, among others. Hope he likes it hot, because I hear it is hot where he is going. Expand On 4/8/2021 at 2:23 PM, H2o said: Trust me, he's feelin' it right now. Expand I hope you're right On 4/8/2021 at 2:29 PM, MJS said: People suffer all the time and manage not to go on a murder spree. Expand This 1
TheBrownBear Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 This is so so so sad. Prayers to the victims' families. Outside of a true extreme psychotic break, it's hard to summon much sympathy for the murderer.
John from Riverside Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 2:25 PM, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: He must have been suffering a great deal I am both the perpetrator and the victim. Expand I try to remain nuetral until I hear details as someone that advises troubled students........cannot do that here. You dont kill kids.
HappyDays Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 2:25 PM, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: He must have been suffering a great deal I am both the perpetrator and the victim. Expand I try to find sympathy for everyone, even murderers. But when children are the victims I'm comfortable saying he is a monster and leaving it at that. There is nothing, no possible rationale, to excuse what he did. Stories like this make me sick. 4
JGMcD2 Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) On 4/8/2021 at 4:30 PM, HappyDays said: I try to find sympathy for everyone, even murderers. But when children are the victims I'm comfortable saying he is a monster and leaving it at that. There is nothing, no possible rationale, to excuse what he did. Stories like this make me sick. Expand I’m not excusing anything... what happened is tragic and disgusting. What if the cause of his rampage was a degenerative brain disease that greatly influences your ability to think rationally, causes suicidal and destructive thoughts and heightens impulsive behavior? He’s just a monster and that’s it? If you look up the symptoms one of them is “uncontrollable aggression.” Edited April 8, 2021 by JGMcD2
LeviF Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 4:36 PM, JGMcD2 said: What if the cause of his rampage was a degenerative brain disease that greatly influences your ability to think rationally, causes suicidal and destructive thoughts and heightens impulsive behavior? He’s just a monster and that’s it? Expand 1
Rico Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 No sympathy, no empathy, too bad you can’t kill him again. 1
JGMcD2 Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) On 4/8/2021 at 2:48 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: From a quick look at wikipedia, doesn't seem like he has a history of any concussions, though you never know what is reported or now. As a CB, you would think the risk of CTE would be less. He also didn't really ever play meaningful snaps in the NFL-- was a 7th round pick that bounced around on some PS's. Expand Is it reasonable to believe he could have gotten concussions in the 22 years of his life prior to entering the NFL where he also played football at a high level? As a rookie late in the 2010 season, Adams suffered a severe ankle injury that required surgery that included several screws being inserted into the leg. He never played for the 49ers again, getting released just before the 2011 season began. Later, with the Raiders, he had 2 concussions over 3 games in 2012. On 4/8/2021 at 2:53 PM, dneveu said: all retired players to receive free or low-cost screenings, preventive care, mental health services and orthopedic care at a new national network of top hospitals created by the owners and the union Expand Not true in his case... Whether he suffered long-lasting concussion-related injuries wasn't immediately clear. Adams would not have been eligible for testing as part of a broad settlement between the league and its former players over such injuries, because he hadn't retired by 2014. Edited April 8, 2021 by JGMcD2
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 5:13 PM, JGMcD2 said: Is it reasonable to believe he could have gotten concussions in the 22 years of his life prior to entering the NFL where he also played football at a high level? As a rookie late in the 2010 season, Adams suffered a severe ankle injury that required surgery that included several screws being inserted into the leg. He never played for the 49ers again, getting released just before the 2011 season began. Later, with the Raiders, he had 2 concussions over 3 games in 2012. Not true in his case... Whether he suffered long-lasting concussion-related injuries wasn't immediately clear. Adams would not have been eligible for testing as part of a broad settlement between the league and its former players over such injuries, because he hadn't retired by 2014. Expand I mean I'm not sure of his financial standing but they even offer wellness programs to non-vested players. Help was absolutely available to him.
JGMcD2 Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) On 4/8/2021 at 5:41 PM, dneveu said: I mean I'm not sure of his financial standing but they even offer wellness programs to non-vested players. Help was absolutely available to him. Expand The wellness program exists to get them in touch with medical professionals... it doesn't actually get them help nor does it magically save them if they do indeed get help. Edited April 8, 2021 by JGMcD2
Giuseppe Tognarelli Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 2:29 PM, The Jokeman said: Why? because he's a person just like me and you. Was he a good person? from his actions know but what lead him to those actions? Perhaps he had an illness like depression or something else. Expand Depression doesn't make you kill children.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 5:13 PM, JGMcD2 said: Is it reasonable to believe he could have gotten concussions in the 22 years of his life prior to entering the NFL where he also played football at a high level? As a rookie late in the 2010 season, Adams suffered a severe ankle injury that required surgery that included several screws being inserted into the leg. He never played for the 49ers again, getting released just before the 2011 season began. Later, with the Raiders, he had 2 concussions over 3 games in 2012. Expand I didn't see that he had those two concussions with the Raiders. I am not ruling out CTE. It just seems to affect certain positions more than others-- less likely to be a CB who didn't really play much. Your classic CTE players are o and d-linemen, who are smashing their heads into each other for years. Again, not saying he didn't have it or CB's don't get it-- just seems less likely. 1
The Jokeman Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 5:52 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Depression doesn't make you kill children. Expand I disagree, women with post partum depression have been known to kill children in some instances.
LABILLBACKER Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 2:37 PM, Royale with Cheese said: Need to have sympathy for the criminal/murderer....I guess. Expand When you start killing children sympathy goes out the door. 1 1
JGMcD2 Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 5:52 PM, Giuseppe Tognarelli said: Depression doesn't make you kill children. Expand No, but a degenerative brain disease might. Still doesn’t make it any less tragic.
Nextmanup Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 (edited) On 4/8/2021 at 2:22 PM, Bangarang said: He deserves to rot in the hottest part of hell. Expand On 4/8/2021 at 2:23 PM, MJS said: Killed a 9 year old and a 5 year old, among others. Hope he likes it hot, because I hear it is hot where he is going. Expand On 4/8/2021 at 2:23 PM, H2o said: Trust me, he's feelin' it right now. Expand On 4/8/2021 at 2:25 PM, MiltonWaddams said: Killing anyone is terrible. Killing children? You can die a million fiery deaths. Piece of crap. Expand You guys think he was suffering, just a little bit, from mental illness? You think he killed children, and himself, because he's a "piece of crap"? Your responses here show zero intelligence, zero compassion, and are consistent with a 13 year old's level of thinking. Congratulations. Edited April 8, 2021 by Nextmanup 2 1
Royale with Cheese Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 6:27 PM, Nextmanup said: You guys think he was suffering, just a little bit, from mental illness? You think he killed children, and himself, because he's a "piece of crap." Your responses here show zero intelligence, zero compassion, and are consistent with a 13 year old's level of thinking. Congratulations. Expand I wouldn't think he was a POS if he just killed himself. But he didn't, he killed innocent children. You can have compassion for a murderer, I won't. I have compassion for the innocent and their families. 2
Buffalo716 Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 2:48 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said: From a quick look at wikipedia, doesn't seem like he has a history of any concussions, though you never know what is reported or now. As a CB, you would think the risk of CTE would be less. He also didn't really ever play meaningful snaps in the NFL-- was a 7th round pick that bounced around on some PS's. Expand I'm just going to point out that cornerback has the highest percentage of concussions in the NFL It is a very fast and dangerous position and nobody ever realizes there's a lot of head trauma involved I suffered a lot playing corner
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 8, 2021 Posted April 8, 2021 On 4/8/2021 at 6:41 PM, Buffalo716 said: I'm just going to point out that cornerback has the highest percentage of concussions in the NFL It is a very fast and dangerous position and nobody ever realizes there's a lot of head trauma involved I suffered a lot playing corner Expand I will say that I stand corrected in part. I didn’t realize it, but you are right that speed positions like CB, WR, and LB tend to have the highest concussions. but this study (summarized in the article below) shows that the types of concussions are much different between speed and non-speed players, such that the concussions that linemen get are much more likely to lead to CTE. https://www.inverse.com/article/37934-nfl-funded-study-brain-injury
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