McShay Mock Draft 4.0

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, Putin said:

I think it’s better to draft a possible replacement player a year early , so he could learn the system and have at least a little experience plugging in rookies and expect them to perform is just not a good idea (IMO) 

 

Plenty of rookie WRs step in and go right from the start. The key is having a good QB and established system, which we now have.

 

And plenty of 1st round picks step in and go right from the start as well.

 

While I agree it is always best to give players time to learn, if possible. That is also a luxury. And not one I really want to give a 1st round pick, which is the big qualifier in this discussion. (or even a 2nd round pick for that matter)

 

Drafting a WR at #30 to be our 6th or 7th WR while we have so many other needs that could be addressed with a 1st round player (CB, DL, LB, TE, RB), who could make an immediate impact, just doesnt make the best sense to me.

[OldTimer1960]

3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

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Diggs has 3 years left

Beasley has 2 years left

Davis has 3 years left on rookie deal

Hodgins has 3 years left on rookie deal

 

Sanders and McKenzie are on 1 year deals, so I guess you could say the entire group is only together for 1 year. But the core of the group is here for a couple more years at least.

I am not advocating for drafting a WR early, however Diggs is the only sure-thing in this group for the future.  Davis certainly was promising last year, but that doesn't guarantee that his star will continue to rise.  Beasley is getting up in age and played hurt a lot last year - he might not make it to the 2022 season, though I hope he does.  Sanders is a very nice vet fill-in for this year, but counting on him for 2022 at age 35 seems a risky plan.  McKenzie isn't more than a minor role player and Hodgins has not shown anything one way or the other.

 

If there were a very good WR available at the Bills' pick in the first, second or third, I would think they would be in play.

 

No doubt that DE and CB are more pressing needs, but if the WR options are clearly better than the options at either of those positions, I wouldn't be upset if they nabbed one.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, billspro said:

I wouldn’t expect either of those guys to be available but that would be a heck of a draft day. That’s the nice thing about having a roster that lets you draft BPA. 

He’s a top 5 pick if healthy. That’s easily worth the risk. 

I wouldn't say *easily* worth the risk, but certainly tempting if he were available.

[Ethan in Cleveland]

4 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

You also gotta consider WR of the future. The current group is really only together for this year. There may be a couple prospects at 30 who are tough to pass up.

I disagree. They need TE #2 more than they need another WR

[Back2Buff]

2 hours ago, mannc said:

I don't understand...If WR "have become plug and play", then why would a WR we draft at 30 this year not "see the field in year 1"?

 

We are drafting 30th and have an incredibly strong WR core, that's why.  They become plug and play when you have a hole.  Like a CB at 30th would be plug and play for us, but wouldn't be for other teams.

[mannc]

Just now, Back2Buff said:

 

We are drafting 30th and have an incredibly strong WR core, that's why.  They become plug and play when you have a hole.  Like a CB at 30th would be plug and play for us, but wouldn't be for other teams.

We have two receivers who are over 30, one who was a fourth round pick last year, and another late round pick who spent the season on the IR.  And of course there are always injuries.  There would be plenty of snaps available in this offense this year for a dynamic rookie receiver like Dyami Brown, Kadarius Toney, etc...

[TheBeaneBandit]

50 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I disagree. They need TE #2 more than they need another WR

Yes we do, but there are no TE's in this draft even remotely worthy of the #30 pick besides Pitts of course, who is top 10.

[billspro]

1 hour ago, OldTimer1960 said:

I wouldn't say *easily* worth the risk, but certainly tempting if he were available.

well you are getting a Garrett and Young type talent. I think it would be worth it at 30. That’s the only way this pass rush is going to get better. We need to take a risk.

[OldTimer1960]

1 hour ago, billspro said:

well you are getting a Garrett and Young type talent. I think it would be worth it at 30. That’s the only way this pass rush is going to get better. We need to take a risk.

I disagree with the comparison of Phillips to Myles Garrett and Chase Young.  Without the injury concerns, he is probably a top 10 prospect in this draft, but not a prospect like Garrett/Young @ least in my opinion...

2 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said:

I disagree. They need TE #2 more than they need another WR

I think this is a really weak TE draft after Kyle Pitts.  I think considering Freiermuth at 30 would be a big reach and he will go before 61 because the class is so bad.  If they had a 4th round pick, maybe they could throw it at a TE, but not sure they’d find anyone who is a better prospect than Tommy Sweeney.

[Rocket94]

3 hours ago, billspro said:

well you are getting a Garrett and Young type talent. I think it would be worth it at 30. That’s the only way this pass rush is going to get better. We need to take a risk.

Phillips seems to have a good sense of the field and he always seems to be around the ball or quarterback. He provides exactly the kind of disruption that the Bills sorely lack! Someone OC's have to account for!

Edited April 3, 2021 by Rocket94

[hjnick]

On 4/1/2021 at 2:16 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31165378/nfl-mock-draft-2021-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-plus-where-seven-qbs-land

 

JOK to Giants at #15

Etieene to the Jets at #23

Najee Harris to the Steelers at #24

 

30. Buffalo Bills

Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami

The top two running backs are off the board, and it's a little early for Javonte Williams (North Carolina). So why not inject some life into a middle-of-the-road pass rush instead -- especially with Jerry Hughes turning 33 before the season. Phillips had 8.0 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss in 2020.

 

61. Buffalo Bills

Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington

The Bills finally halt Onwuzurike's slide down the board. He is my No. 35 prospect, but there aren't many teams searching for a defensive tackle right now. And while Buffalo might have preferred a running back, tight end or offensive tackle, Onwuzurike is sudden and creates havoc. He could slide in next to Ed Oliver.

Phillips shores up the DE spot and then a big fattie to take star's place after next year?   I like this alot.

[machine gun kelly]

On 4/1/2021 at 3:50 PM, gobills404 said:

if we get jaelan phillips then I'll be happy no matter who we pick after that

This is who Kirwan picked in his first mock draft with Mills on MTC last week.  Seems like a solid pick as I like Ettiene, but he may not be there.  If they do get Phillips with those long arms 6’5”, 260, Epenesa should beef up like college and be there for running downs.

[NewEra]

On 4/2/2021 at 11:27 AM, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Plenty of rookie WRs step in and go right from the start. The key is having a good QB and established system, which we now have.

 

And plenty of 1st round picks step in and go right from the start as well.

 

While I agree it is always best to give players time to learn, if possible. That is also a luxury. And not one I really want to give a 1st round pick, which is the big qualifier in this discussion. (or even a 2nd round pick for that matter)

 

Drafting a WR at #30 to be our 6th or 7th WR while we have so many other needs that could be addressed with a 1st round player (CB, DL, LB, TE, RB), who could make an immediate impact, just doesnt make the best sense to me.

Because it’s not about 2021, which the FO has proven this offseason.  It’s about building a sustained winner.  If the BPA on the board is a WR, they should, and probably will take that WR.  
 

Injuries happen.  Especially to WRs. Come playoff time, if one of our top 4 WRs is hurt, our offense isn’t firing on all cylinders. Last year, all of our WRs were banged up vs kC.  In hindsight, our coaching staff probably should’ve pulled up Kenny stills or given more reps to mckenzie.  
 

Our title chances live and die by the pass.... we shouldn’t put ourselves in a situation where an injury or two could cripple our offense.  We should continue to add as many good WRs as we can.  Sanders and Beasley’s contracts are up after this year.  We shouldn’t wait til next year to find a replacement

[GunnerBill]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Because it’s not about 2021, which the FO has proven this offseason.  It’s about building a sustained winner.  If the BPA on the board is a WR, they should, and probably will take that WR.  
 

Injuries happen.  Especially to WRs. Come playoff time, if one of our top 4 WRs is hurt, our offense isn’t firing on all cylinders. Last year, all of our WRs were banged up vs kC.  In hindsight, our coaching staff probably should’ve pulled up Kenny stills or given more reps to mckenzie.  
 

Our title chances live and die by the pass.... we shouldn’t put ourselves in a situation where an injury or two could cripple our offense.  We should continue to add as many good WRs as we can.  Sanders and Beasley’s contracts are up after this year.  We shouldn’t wait til next year to find a replacement

 

A team that ran more 4 and 5 wide than any other in the NFL in 2020 must draft a receiver every year. Doesn't have to be at #30 but the Bills have to find another receiver in this class.

[NewEra]

I really hope we draft Dee Eskeridge.  I love that kid

[Logic]

There are several mid to late round WRs that have either great straight line speed or great quickness/agility, or in some bases both.

Anthony Schwartz
Marquez Stevenson
Jaelon Dardon
Dwayne Eskridge

Ihmir Smith-Marsette
Simi Fehoko
Dazz Newsome

I hope the Bills find a way to draft 1-2 of them. Most of them lack route-running nuance and/or can't be counted on to be successful as classic outside receivers right off the bat. Luckily, we don't need them to. They can come in as gadget guys and return specialists and then learn the finer points of the position from our great corps of veteran WRs.

Edited April 3, 2021 by Logic

[NewEra]

31 minutes ago, Logic said:

There are several mid to late round WRs that have either great straight line speed or great quickness/agility, or in some bases both.

Anthony Schwartz
Marquez Stevenson
Jaelon Dardon
Dwayne Eskridge

Ihmir Smith-Marsette
Simi Fehoko
Dazz Newsome

I hope the Bills find a way to draft 1-2 of them. Most of them lack route-running nuance and/or can't be counted on to be successful as classic outside receivers right off the bat. Luckily, we don't need them to. They can come in as gadget guys and return specialists and then learn the finer points of the position from our great corps of veteran WRs.

I’ll be shocked if Eskeridge makes it out of rd 2.  He’s my ideal guy at 61 but I don’t think he gets there.  
 

if we could land Newsome and Eskeridge in rd 1&2, it would be a big win. Not adding a DL in the first 3 rds wouldn’t be ideal, but if we could then land Gainwell in rd 3, our offense would have some home run hitters that we sorely need as well as a legit #2 corner opposite Tre.  Then get Wilson, Brown or Slaton in rd 5 and we’re in business.  

[Da webster guy]

On 4/1/2021 at 3:32 PM, GunnerBill said:

Onwuzurike next to Ed Oliver???? Swing and a miss Todd. They play the same position in this scheme - 3 tech. 

 

McShay is good at marketing himself but the dude is definitely not a Cosell or Kiper in terms of understanding individual team needs and systems.

 

I've found the guy to be pretty useless.

[BillsFan1988]

On 4/1/2021 at 10:16 PM, DrDawkinstein said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2021/insider/story/_/id/31165378/nfl-mock-draft-2021-todd-mcshay-predictions-all-64-picks-rounds-1-2-plus-where-seven-qbs-land

 

JOK to Giants at #15

Etieene to the Jets at #23

Najee Harris to the Steelers at #24

 

30. Buffalo Bills

Jaelan Phillips, DE, Miami

The top two running backs are off the board, and it's a little early for Javonte Williams (North Carolina). So why not inject some life into a middle-of-the-road pass rush instead -- especially with Jerry Hughes turning 33 before the season. Phillips had 8.0 sacks and 15.5 tackles for loss in 2020.

 

61. Buffalo Bills

Levi Onwuzurike, DT, Washington

The Bills finally halt Onwuzurike's slide down the board. He is my No. 35 prospect, but there aren't many teams searching for a defensive tackle right now. And while Buffalo might have preferred a running back, tight end or offensive tackle, Onwuzurike is sudden and creates havoc. He could slide in next to Ed Oliver. 

How's that old saying , U can never have enough CBs no no no it's DTs .😂

 

[machine gun kelly]

12 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

A team that ran more 4 and 5 wide than any other in the NFL in 2020 must draft a receiver every year. Doesn't have to be at #30 but the Bills have to find another receiver in this class.

GB, I agree drafting one later that is a speedster would be nice, but not at 30.  If we can get a decent Edge Rusher, that would be fantastic.  The sad thing is I don’t see a top flight TE at 30.  TE is definitely a need.

 

Part of the reason we went 4 wide so often was the lack of talent we had at TE, and really our running game.  Daboll went with our strength and it worked.  Bolstering TE and the running game will make it easier to do 12 and 21 personnel balancing with 10.

Edited April 4, 2021 by machine gun kelly