Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 12 minutes ago, BillStime said: I've already commented; you just don't like the answer. You said MURDER! Your answer was incomplete. There are several degrees of murder in MN. 1st/2nd/3rd? For some reason you fail to stipulate which one you think he should be convicted of. Why is that?
BillStime Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 Just now, Chef Jim said: You said MURDER! Your answer was incomplete. There are several degrees of murder in MN. 1st/2nd/3rd? For some reason you fail to stipulate which one you think he should be convicted of. Why is that? Jim, is the officer the real victim here?
Chef Jim Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 4 minutes ago, BillStime said: Jim, is the officer the real victim here? No but it sounds like you are. I'll stop victimizing you to clarify your accusation. Sorry.....carry on. Would I accuse him of voluntary manslaughter if I thought he was a victim? 1
Tiberius Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 Not looking good for the defense. Chauvins lawyer not so great
Buftex Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/29/2021 at 1:52 PM, Unforgiven said: Your wet dream will come true!
B-Man Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 4 hours ago, BillStime said: Jim, is the officer the real victim here? 1
Doc Brown Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 9 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: I'm going to leave this to the jury. I have neither the time or the interest to hear all the evidence or weigh all the sentencing factors in a single murder case. It's just not that important. I made this mistake during the OJ trial.
daz28 Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 13 hours ago, BillStime said: I'm not a psychologist but it does not matter: 9+ minutes - face down - in cuffs - surrounded by officers - no matter what this guy did leading up to his death - he was not in a position to cause harm on anyone. Exactly. The problem of the crime itself is a no-brainer. Fox gets 'em to argue about the minutia instead. I remember when people used to accept the fact, and move on. Now everyone just makes the Tucker Carlson face when you're right, and hates you later for it. Edited March 31, 2021 by daz28 1
Buffarukus Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, daz28 said: Exactly. The problem of the crime itself is a no-brainer. Fox gets 'em to argue about the minutia instead. I remember when people used to accept the fact, and move on. Now everyone just makes the Tucker Carlson face when you're right, and hates you later for it. you say its a no brainer. im not sure that's true. if your putting it into the context of arrest then, yes. the man showed zero signs of being a threat. that may not have been the case if looked at differently. what is the protocol for someone who is exhibiting a medical issue such as a seizures and such? im not trained enough to answer but you cant discount the foaming at the mouth and delirium exhibited as he became panicked, asked to be removed from the car and placed on the ground for no reason. i know certain types of conditions you want to restrain as much as possable. for example. i know a woman who had a stroke where she bit off a good portion of her tongue in the episode and another that must be under constant watch with epilepsy as any moment could lead to her severely injuring herself from the violence of the shaking. their training did include this...for what purpose? to subdue a criminal or as a response to a medical event while waiting for ambulance to arrive. and even if it was a medical tactic what must someone exhibit first? it doesn't hold much water as i very much doubt it should even be considered if there is a issue breathing! none the less, if the defense shows instances where this tactic was used to prevent injury like the examples given and give reasoning they thought this was the case one could argue the police thought this was a proper response. Edited March 31, 2021 by Buffarukus
The Frankish Reich Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Here in Colorado we just had a memorial service for the cop killed in the Boulder grocery store shooting. https://www.cnn.com/2021/03/30/us/officer-eric-talley-funeral-colorado/index.html By absolutely all accounts, a fine and decent man who brought honor to the phrase "to protect and serve." And who went in to that active shooter situation to save more innocent lives. He became a cop at 40 after working in IT for all the right reasons: he felt that it was important to serve his community. Watching some of this trial I'm struck by the contrast. Guilty or not (or, to be honest, guilty of what level of offense is the only question in my mind), I just keep thinking about the contrast between Chauvin and Officer Talley in Boulder. And maybe we should take a moment to think about what it means to honor that badge. 3 3
Tiberius Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Lots of crying from witnesses who witnessed the incident. 1
B-Man Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 UNEXPECTEDLY: New court docs say George Floyd had “fatal level” of fentanyl in his system. https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04
Tiberius Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 58 minutes ago, B-Man said: UNEXPECTEDLY: New court docs say George Floyd had “fatal level” of fentanyl in his system. https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04 He a fatal level of weight on his neck 1
Chef Jim Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 1 hour ago, B-Man said: UNEXPECTEDLY: New court docs say George Floyd had “fatal level” of fentanyl in his system. https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04 "We've all had cases where those kinds of of levels come into play. You've got to look at the whole picture," Nelson said. "It's one thing to die *with* something. It's another thing to die *from* something." Huh.....where have we heard this before? 🤔
Tiberius Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 Heard that "I can't breathe" video this morning. That was horrible
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 15 hours ago, B-Man said: UNEXPECTEDLY: New court docs say George Floyd had “fatal level” of fentanyl in his system. https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/new-court-docs-say-george-floyd-had-fatal-level-of-fentanyl-in-his-system/89-ed69d09d-a9ec-481c-90fe-7acd4ead3d04 That’s not new information, conclusion was still a homicide. Seems like the place they may arrive is that Floyd’s health situation was so poor, and if it’s true hold/restraint wouldn’t have killed a healthy person not on tons of drugs, it was involuntary manslaughter. For all the misinformed out there, the autopsy concluded the trachea wasn’t compromised and no asphyxiation. “Couldn’t breath” was the result of cardiopulmonary issues, not asphyxiation. So the scumbag cop (imo) exacerbated cardiopulmonary issues leading to death. if I were prosecuting, I’d then pivot to the fact medical attention was not called in the moment he became unresponsive. That might be how to argue it back to being voluntary...
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 I am honestly worried that this prosecutor is going to mess this up. He has spent 3 days setting the scene with witnesses but has shown us nothing new. I was never a lawyer but it seems they could have shown the video for all the facts we need and then turned it over to the defense. I don't understand what the store clerk or all the bystanders has to do with chauvins actions, they already wish they had done things differently. I am worried that the prosecutor will spend too much time winding up the emotion and then not enough on how he broke the law.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am honestly worried that this prosecutor is going to mess this up. He has spent 3 days setting the scene with witnesses but has shown us nothing new. I was never a lawyer but it seems they could have shown the video for all the facts we need and then turned it over to the defense. I don't understand what the store clerk or all the bystanders has to do with chauvins actions, they already wish they had done things differently. I am worried that the prosecutor will spend too much time winding up the emotion and then not enough on how he broke the law. I presume the emotion is meant to sway the jury. Objectivity is not common, AND the jury selection process incorporates the intent of the attorneys.
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 1, 2021 Posted April 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: I presume the emotion is meant to sway the jury. Objectivity is not common, AND the jury selection process incorporates the intent of the attorneys. Working up emotion can definitely be a double edge sword but I get what you mean. 1
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