Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 4, 2021 Posted April 4, 2021 On 4/3/2021 at 11:38 PM, Beast said: The first autopsy? Expand Pretty sure it did. On 4/4/2021 at 12:15 AM, SoCal Deek said: I’m curious. Were the excessive force arrests all involving black people? Expand No. He pulled a gun on a middle school kid that was not.
Walking Tall Posted April 4, 2021 Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) On 4/4/2021 at 12:38 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Pretty sure it did. Expand Not by legal culpability or intent. That’s why a hired gun had to do a second autopsy. Edited April 4, 2021 by Beast
SoCal Deek Posted April 4, 2021 Posted April 4, 2021 On 4/4/2021 at 12:38 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Pretty sure it did. No. He pulled a gun on a middle school kid that was not. Expand So if that’s true; how in the hell can this case be the predicate for ‘systemic racism’? Answer: It can’t be! Sounds like a cop who has some anger management issues.
frostbitmic Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/4/2021 at 12:15 AM, SoCal Deek said: I’m curious. Were the excessive force arrests all involving black people? Expand 2 Black 1 Hispanic 1 Native American 2 not reported
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/4/2021 at 1:54 AM, SoCal Deek said: So if that’s true; how in the hell can this case be the predicate for ‘systemic racism’? Answer: It can’t be! Sounds like a cop who has some anger management issues. Expand You know why. A simple diagnosis of Scumbag cop doesn’t forward the cause.
Chef Jim Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 5:47 PM, Tiberius said: ER Doctor: Asphyxia Expand Devi's advocate here. This could tie very well into the defense's claim that his drug use, not the knee to the neck, caused his death. https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-asphyxiation-21972
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 5:55 PM, Chef Jim said: Devi's advocate here. This could tie very well into the defense's claim that his drug use, not the knee to the neck, caused his death. https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-asphyxiation-21972 Expand The problem with the state's case is their strategy conflicts with the findings of their own medical examiner. The ME concluded asphyxiation was not the cause of death. This is an unusual approach. The defense is not claiming drug use contributed to the cause death. They are expressing the opinion of the ME. Typically the defense might dispute the ME's finding, but the State? This might create a quandary for the jury to resolve and might also lead them to not convict on the most serious charges and point to a manslaughter conviction as most likely.
Chef Jim Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 8:31 PM, All_Pro_Bills said: The problem with the state's case is their strategy conflicts with the findings of their own medical examiner. The ME concluded asphyxiation was not the cause of death. This is an unusual approach. The defense is not claiming drug use contributed to the cause death. They are expressing the opinion of the ME. Typically the defense might dispute the ME's finding, but the State? This might create a quandary for the jury to resolve and might also lead them to not convict on the most serious charges and point to a manslaughter conviction as most likely. Expand I really don't think there was intent to kill. Why I think manslaughter really should be the conviction.
Doc Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 9:22 PM, Chef Jim said: I really don't think there was intent to kill. Why I think manslaughter really should be the conviction. Expand What was the intent when Floyd was found pulseless and Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck?
Chef Jim Posted April 5, 2021 Posted April 5, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 11:08 PM, Doc said: What was the intent when Floyd was found pulseless and Chauvin continued to kneel on his neck? Expand Power controlled by a deep hatred.
Doc Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/5/2021 at 11:53 PM, Chef Jim said: Power controlled by a deep hatred. Expand That may be what precipitated it but continuing to kneel on his neck after he's unconscious and pulseless is murder.
Wacka Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 1:16 AM, Doc said: That may be what precipitated it but continuing to kneel on his neck after he's unconscious and pulseless is murder. Expand How can it be murder? The ME said no signs of asphyxia and he is pulseless? Suicide by fentanyl or OD.
Chef Jim Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 1:16 AM, Doc said: That may be what precipitated it but continuing to kneel on his neck after he's unconscious and pulseless is murder. Expand Voluntary Manslaughter.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 1:23 AM, Wacka said: How can it be murder? The ME said no signs of asphyxia and he is pulseless? Suicide by fentanyl or OD. Expand Because Chauvin killed him. Floyd was alive, then Chauvin did what he did, and Floyd was dead. At this point the only questions are whether it was intended or not.
Gene Frenkle Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/4/2021 at 1:54 AM, SoCal Deek said: So if that’s true; how in the hell can this case be the predicate for ‘systemic racism’? Answer: It can’t be! Sounds like a cop who has some anger management issues. Expand On 4/5/2021 at 2:50 AM, frostbitmic said: 2 Black 1 Hispanic 1 Native American 2 not reported Expand Kinda blows that theory, huh? Good try though.
All_Pro_Bills Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 1:41 AM, Over 29 years of fanhood said: Because Chauvin killed him. Floyd was alive, then Chauvin did what he did, and Floyd was dead. At this point the only questions are whether it was intended or not. Expand On 4/6/2021 at 1:25 AM, Chef Jim said: Voluntary Manslaughter. Expand As Chef suggests I expect a guilty verdict the manslaughter charge. Whether its voluntary or involuntary remains to be seen. Not so sure about conviction on the other charges. 29 cites cause and effect. For me the prevailing piece of evidence is the "choke hold" and subsequent death. While the defense can argue the hold is legal and included in the training officers receive the key factor is not the hold itself but the duration of the hold. The video clearly supports this position. I expect the prosecution will show that by any reasonable measure the 9 minute duration of the hold was excessive and much longer than necessary to subdue a suspect and also much longer than the referenced training would allow. And by maintaining the hold for 9 minutes the officer failed to "protect" a suspect taken into his custody.
Orlando Buffalo Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 11:14 AM, All_Pro_Bills said: As Chef suggests I expect a guilty verdict the manslaughter charge. Whether its voluntary or involuntary remains to be seen. Not so sure about conviction on the other charges. 29 cites cause and effect. For me the prevailing piece of evidence is the "choke hold" and subsequent death. While the defense can argue the hold is legal and included in the training officers receive the key factor is not the hold itself but the duration of the hold. The video clearly supports this position. I expect the prosecution will show that by any reasonable measure the 9 minute duration of the hold was excessive and much longer than necessary to subdue a suspect and also much longer than the referenced training would allow. And by maintaining the hold for 9 minutes the officer failed to "protect" a suspect taken into his custody. Expand once Floyd had the cuffs on him and he is lying on his stomach he is no longer a threat. If you maintain the choke hold more than a few seconds past that point then Chauvin starts to become responsible. I find it interesting that most here from what I see agree it is manslaughter with just basic knowledge of law, because the video takes out a lot of questions.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted April 6, 2021 Posted April 6, 2021 On 4/6/2021 at 11:14 AM, All_Pro_Bills said: As Chef suggests I expect a guilty verdict the manslaughter charge. Whether its voluntary or involuntary remains to be seen. Not so sure about conviction on the other charges. 29 cites cause and effect. For me the prevailing piece of evidence is the "choke hold" and subsequent death. While the defense can argue the hold is legal and included in the training officers receive the key factor is not the hold itself but the duration of the hold. The video clearly supports this position. I expect the prosecution will show that by any reasonable measure the 9 minute duration of the hold was excessive and much longer than necessary to subdue a suspect and also much longer than the referenced training would allow. And by maintaining the hold for 9 minutes the officer failed to "protect" a suspect taken into his custody. Expand I think he’s going down on the most severe charge filed. This case is about as high profile as you can get and the downside to guilty on a lesser charge is incalculable. The downside of a member of the jury not being influenced by the potential ramifications of their vote is huge. There are no offsets—Chauvin controlled the scene, he controlled the victim, he showed a disregard for Floyd’s humanity—and if it’s a technical spread between the harshest punishment and the next level down, very few people are going to spend much time shedding tears for the guy.
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