Phlegm Alley Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 The one thing I'll be looking for is the touch pass...we all hear about JP's big arm, but can he make the soft throw, like on screens and check-downs? 318460[/snapback] I saw some Roydell WIlliams footage on the NFL network and some highlights had Jp throwing him the ball. On a couple of different occasions it showed JP throwing the corner/fade route on the goaline to RW with a lot of touch. Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw. Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith might be efficient with short to intermediate passes but can't strcth the defense with the long throw like JP can.
GG Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 Let's not get a bit ahead of ourselves. The RB screen has been absent from the playbook for nearly a decade for a variety of reasons, the biggest being old tubs of goo trying to execute the screen. Bledsoe's inability to soft-touch the throw or sell a screen pass was among the reasons why the RB screen was missing. My guess is that's why MM put the WR version in the playbook, but it had more disasterous outcomes than successes. If the play was so lock & solid, it would be a featured play in every team's playbook. We should take a moment and relish just how special the early '90s offensive line was, and what it did to send Kelly & soon Thurman to Canton. In looking ahead to 2005, I am not convinced that the current make-up of the OL will have the athleticism to execute screen passes effectively. But, if my suspicions of the success of the new line to basically maul defenders at the LOS, we may not miss the screen that much anyway.
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 I saw some Roydell WIlliams footage on the NFL network and some highlights had Jp throwing him the ball. On a couple of different occasions it showed JP throwing the corner/fade route on the goaline to RW with a lot of touch. Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw. Aaron Rodgers and Alex Smith might be efficient with short to intermediate passes but can't strcth the defense with the long throw like JP can. 318573[/snapback] Once again, I wish that I could be as optimistic by nature as some of you. >>>>>Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw.<<<<< I mean, do you realize what you just posted????? He can make EVERY THROW??? Good God, he has proven NOTHING! Rob Johnson could make ten times the throws of JP, except not in the NFL! Drew throws 40 yard out patterns, something JP could only dream about, and he was just run out of town! How about we wait and see if he can survive preseason this year and let him win a couple of football games before we ordain him as this perfect all-time great? Sheesh!
Mark VI Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 I'm interested in seeing if he can do it also. I already knew the last guy could throw a good 30 yard rope 4 times a game and nothing else. That's why he was cut. These are exciting times and I can't wait until the season starts.
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2005 Author Posted April 25, 2005 Once again, I wish that I could be as optimistic by nature as some of you. >>>>>Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw.<<<<< I mean, do you realize what you just posted????? He can make EVERY THROW??? Good God, he has proven NOTHING! Rob Johnson could make ten times the throws of JP, except not in the NFL! Drew throws 40 yard out patterns, something JP could only dream about, and he was just run out of town! How about we wait and see if he can survive preseason this year and let him win a couple of football games before we ordain him as this perfect all-time great? Sheesh! 318579[/snapback] No, once again you're not reading or too quick to jump on people without thinking of what you're complaining about. Almost every evaluation of Losman will say that he "can make every throw". That phrase doesn't mean that in games against top NFL defenses he will be able to make the plays, that phrase means he can throw deep with accuracy and strength, he can throw hard enough to complete long out patterns, he has a touch to complete short slants and swings and screens, he can thread the ball into small spaces over the middle, he can drop passes over defenders into recievers, etc. He has the talent to make those throws. That's what he can make every throw means, as opposed to some quarterbacks that can make certain throws and not have the arm strength or accuracy or touch to make others.
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 I'm interested in seeing if he can do it also. I already knew the last guy could throw a good 30 yard rope 4 times a game and nothing else. That's why he was cut. These are exciting times and I can't wait until the season starts. 318582[/snapback] The "nothing else" was unfair Mark. He tossed 50 and 60 yard bombs to Evans that had just the right amount of air under them. Drew had his faults for sure, but he could make the almost impossible throws. Looking back, that could truly have been part of his problem, as strange as that may sound.
Dr. K Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 Thats the first thing I thought of. Wildcard game, 96 playoffs. We rushed for 300+ if I recall correctly. Thurman had like 150, Holmes 100.....Christ, even Tim Tindale was breaking big ones. But I recall that being just more up the gut running and whole bunch of counter-treys (oh what another sweet play!!) 318550[/snapback] Wrong game. That was in the year of the last Bills Super Bopwl team. The poster is talking about a year earlier playoff game, in Miami, the year the Bills made the Supoer Bowl as a Wild Card team, winning on the road in Pittsburgh (with Frank Reigh at QB) and then going down to Miami to face the Dolphins, who had won the eastern division. It was the year of the miracle comeback against Houston (which preceded the Pittsburgh game. (and the 51-17 shellacking by Dallas in the SB. Ouch.) It a sunny day and Thurman tore them up on screen passes, including one for a touchdown to break open the game.
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 No, once again you're not reading or too quick to jump on people without thinking of what you're complaining about. Almost every evaluation of Losman will say that he "can make every throw". That phrase doesn't mean that in games against top NFL defenses he will be able to make the plays, that phrase means he can throw deep with accuracy and strength, he can throw hard enough to complete long out patterns, he has a touch to complete short slants and swings and screens, he can thread the ball into small spaces over the middle, he can drop passes over defenders into recievers, etc. He has the talent to make throws throws. That's what he can make every throw means, as opposed to some quarterbacks that can make certain throws and not have the arm strength or accuracy or touch to make others. 318589[/snapback] Kelly I love ya, but please dont think for me. I have a hard enough time myself. Look, if I appeared to be jumping on him, I apologise...to HIM. Second of all, let us please look at the phrase "every throw." OK? There are only a few qbs who ever played that can throw accurate, consistent out patterns of 30-40 yards without a ton of air under them. Elway, Marino, Bert Jones, Namath, are some. You know who else could? Yeah.....Drew Bledsoe! This does not make Drew the greatest of all time, but his arm is a freak. Again, the phrase "every throw" is what was brought up. From what very little I have seen of JP, I liken his style/arm strength to that of Joe Theisman. If he could have a similar career to Theisman, I would be thrilled, and the Bills would win many games behind him. That said, the "every throw" thing is exactly what I was addressing. That, and being able to make ANY throw in a real game. Maybe I am getting too much like you and nit-picking to excess!
cåblelady Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 The last thing I saw him do was hand the ball off 15 straight times. He looked pretty good at that. 318469[/snapback]
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2005 Author Posted April 25, 2005 Kelly I love ya, but please dont think for me. I have a hard enough time myself. Look, if I appeared to be jumping on him, I apologise...to HIM. Second of all, let us please look at the phrase "every throw." OK? There are only a few qbs who ever played that can throw accurate, consistent out patterns of 30-40 yards without a ton of air under them. Elway, Marino, Bert Jones, Namath, are some. You know who else could? Yeah.....Drew Bledsoe! This does not make Drew the greatest of all time, but his arm is a freak. Again, the phrase "every throw" is what was brought up. From what very little I have seen of JP, I liken his style/arm strength to that of Joe Theisman. If he could have a similar career to Theisman, I would be thrilled, and the Bills would win many games behind him. That said, the "every throw" thing is exactly what I was addressing. That, and being able to make ANY throw in a real game. Maybe I am getting too much like you and nit-picking to excess! 318606[/snapback] A strong arm doesn't necessarily equate to "making every throw". Drew cannot make every throw. He has great difficulty on short and touch and swing and flare passes. You were jumping on someone for saying that Losman cannot "make every throw" because he has yet to show it but that is a common football phrase that means a certain, specific thing, and it's true that Losman by all accounts "can make every throw". "Making every throw" has very, very little to do with throwing accurate, consistent out patterns as well and as consistently as Hall of Fame quarterbacks.
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 A strong arm doesn't necessarily equate to "making every throw". Drew cannot make every throw. He has great difficulty on short and touch and swing and flare passes. You were jumping on someone for saying that Losman cannot "make every throw" because he has yet to show it but that is a common football phrase that means a certain, specific thing, and it's true that Losman by all accounts "can make every throw". "Making every throw" has very, very little to do with throwing accurate, consistent out patterns as well and as consistently as Hall of Fame quarterbacks. 318618[/snapback] >>>> You were jumping on someone for saying that Losman cannot "make every throw"<<<< No KTD. Read this: >>>>Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw.<<<< This is what I was addressing, and I contend that from what little I saw of him, he cannot.
Alaska Darin Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 From what very little I have seen of JP, I liken his style/arm strength to that of Joe Theisman. 318606[/snapback]
cåblelady Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 318626[/snapback] You got something in your eye ?
Kelly the Dog Posted April 25, 2005 Author Posted April 25, 2005 >>>> You were jumping on someone for saying that Losman cannot "make every throw"<<<< No KTD. Read this: >>>>Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw.<<<< This is what I was addressing, and I contend that from what little I saw of him, he cannot. 318625[/snapback] What kind of throw cannot he not make in the hours of game film and practice time you have seen him play in? The bomb? The 40 yard out? The swing pass? The short slant? The lob over LBs and in front of safeties? There are throws where you have seen him miss time and time again, or not have the arm strength that JP Losman cannot make? What kinds of throws are these?
EC-Bills Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 >>>> You were jumping on someone for saying that Losman cannot "make every throw"<<<< No KTD. Read this: >>>>Unlike the QBs from this draft, JP can make every single throw.<<<< This is what I was addressing, and I contend that from what little I saw of him, he cannot. 318625[/snapback] Out of curiousity where/when did you see that he could not may every throw? Was it last year in the regular season? Training camp? If so, let's hope he's had time to work on it and improve. Thanks for the info.
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 318626[/snapback] Why not AD? A not so big qb who is mobile, with a crisp throwing arm. Who does he remind you of?
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 Out of curiousity where/when did you see that he could not may every throw? Was it last year in the regular season? Training camp? If so, let's hope he's had time to work on it and improve. Thanks for the info. 318632[/snapback] OK, I take it back. JP has, can, and will continue to throw 50 yard ropes accross the field (while on the run) just like Elway. JP can do anything and make any throw. He is the greatest of all time.
EC-Bills Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 OK, I take it back. JP has, can, and will continue to throw 50 yard ropes accross the field (while on the run) just like Elway. JP can do anything and make any throw. He is the greatest of all time. 318637[/snapback] Look, I am not trying to be a prick, I was being sincere in my question. Sorry if it came across the wrong way.
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 What kind of throw cannot he not make in the hours of game film and practice time you have seen him play in? The bomb? The 40 yard out? The swing pass? The short slant? The lob over LBs and in front of safeties? There are throws where you have seen him miss time and time again, or not have the arm strength that JP Losman cannot make? What kinds of throws are these? 318630[/snapback] I give up. You are right again. JP has a much stronger arm than Drew, Marino and Dan Pastorini combined. I guess it is "homer" time again, which must be fun, but please play without me this time.
Bill from NYC Posted April 25, 2005 Posted April 25, 2005 Look, I am not trying to be a prick, I was being sincere in my question. Sorry if it came across the wrong way. 318642[/snapback] I am sorry. My entire (however weak) point was that only a small handful of qbs can make the true deep throws (without a ton of air). If this was the end-all, Drew would still be here. I merely took exception when a poster used the phrase "every throw." JP is comparatively small. He seems to have enough arm strength, maybe even more than Montana, who didn't have a cannon. I dont dispute that. I shouldn't have nit-picked, but again, from what little I saw, I dont view him as having a Marino type arm. No big deal. Neither did Steve Young, and how good was he? See what I mean?
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