Big Blitz Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said: So what are the majority of AR15 used for then? If not self defense and hunting then what are they used for by the 99.9999%? I personally know several people who have used AR15 style guns to hunt smaller animals, I will admit I do not know anyone who has used one in self defense but I know they will if needed. You insinuated I am ignorant, please tell me how They've never even seen an AR let alone ever fired one. I guarantee you if they did they would never call for them to be banned again. They'd be buying them.
B-Man Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 FTA: Now that the white supremacist angle hasn’t worked out, liberals will use the Boulder murders to justify more gun laws. Al Issa apparently bought the rifle that he used in the shootings a matter of days before the murders. It is not surprising that he was able to buy a firearm, since as far as we know he had no felonies on his record and had not been judged incompetent or confined for mental illness. As usual, the refrain of “expanded background checks” proves pointless. Joe Biden has already called for a ban on “assault rifles,” presumably because the one that was enacted in the 1990s worked so well. An “assault rifle” is semi-automatic, like many rifles sold nowadays, and like the large majority of pistols. Those classified as “assault weapons” are usually relatively low-power rifles and are distinguished by features that people who know nothing about firearms consider scary, like barrel shrouds. According to FBI data, rifles remain among the most unpopular of all murder weapons, ranking well below knives, blunt objects and bare hands. Nevertheless, we are in for another tiresome round of fruitless “assault rifle” hysteria. https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/03/the-boulder-murderer.php https://crimeresearch.org/2018/05/klaveras-false-claims-about-the-federal-assault-weapons-ban-and-mass-public-shootings/ https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls
ALF Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) Other countries have mentally ill but not the kind of carnage here , what's the difference ? I know the answer but just asking . This country needs strict background checks at the very least. Only responsible people should have access to guns. Edited March 24, 2021 by ALF 1
Chef Jim Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 7 hours ago, SectionC3 said: I don't disagree with this. Do this stuff (kind of like Iceland) and reimplement the federal assault weapons ban and I'm good. Ok so let's supposed the implement my ideas and we still have mass shootings. Will you THEN agree that it's a people problem my a implement problem? And here's a question. When I grew up in rural WNY in the 60's and 70's so many people carried guns in their vehicles. Gun racks were common in the back windows of trucks and they were likely loaded. And many of these were trucks in the school parking lot. Did we have any mass murders? Almost none. There was that guy in the the 60's at the University Bell tower in Austin but that was BIG news and a major rarity. So he's the question. What happened? Why are these such a common occurrence?
Wacka Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chef Jim said: Ok so let's supposed the implement my ideas and we still have mass shootings. Will you THEN agree that it's a people problem my a implement problem? And here's a question. When I grew up in rural WNY in the 60's and 70's so many people carried guns in their vehicles. Gun racks were common in the back windows of trucks and they were likely loaded. And many of these were trucks in the school parking lot. Did we have any mass murders? Almost none. There was that guy in the the 60's at the University Bell tower in Austin but that was BIG news and a major rarity. So he's the question. What happened? Why are these such a common occurrence? And on autopsy, he was shown ro have a brain tumor. Edited March 24, 2021 by Wacka
Chef Jim Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 2 hours ago, wnyguy said: All were white? So this should be a hate crime then right? Oh wait, they were white so it can't be a hate crime. And when the shooter being a muslim spoiled the liberal lefts dance party they just turned it into an attack on the right to bear arms. The Constitutional right. It's interesting. ATL is mostly Asians it's racism racism racism. Boulder was all white it's guns guns guns. For the thinking people it's mental illness mental illness mental illness. In my mind that's what ALL these mass shootings have in common. We have to figure a way to identify the people that are likely to commit these crimes and make sure they never ever have access to a weapon and/or ammo.
B-Man Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 NIKKI GOESER: “Guns are used every single day in the United States to protect innocent lives. It is a point often overlooked by gun control proponents who choose to ignore justifiable defensive use of guns to protect innocent lives. https://townhall.com/columnists/nikkigoeser/2021/03/24/unintended-consequences-of-more-gun-control-n2586769
SectionC3 Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 21 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: Ok so let's supposed the implement my ideas and we still have mass shootings. Will you THEN agree that it's a people problem my a implement problem? And here's a question. When I grew up in rural WNY in the 60's and 70's so many people carried guns in their vehicles. Gun racks were common in the back windows of trucks and they were likely loaded. And many of these were trucks in the school parking lot. Did we have any mass murders? Almost none. There was that guy in the the 60's at the University Bell tower in Austin but that was BIG news and a major rarity. So he's the question. What happened? Why are these such a common occurrence? It depends on the nature of the shooting. One shooter? Two shooters? More than that? Time involved? Casualties? If the hypothetical is such that we eliminate Sandy Hook/Vegas-type shootings from the equation (big casualty counts catalyzed by fast-firing, high velocity weaponry with large capacity cartridges), then no, I wouldn’t agree. I can’t speak to your last few questions. Probably a constellation of factors, one of which is the abundance of weaponry suitable for the perpetration of such crimes.
Chef Jim Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: It depends on the nature of the shooting. One shooter? Two shooters? More than that? Time involved? Casualties? If the hypothetical is such that we eliminate Sandy Hook/Vegas-type shootings from the equation (big casualty counts catalyzed by fast-firing, high velocity weaponry with large capacity cartridges), then no, I wouldn’t agree. I can’t speak to your last few questions. Probably a constellation of factors, one of which is the abundance of weaponry suitable for the perpetration of such crimes. Ok if you don't agree that it's a people problem not a implement problem then why are we just getting rid of scary guns? It sounds like you'd get rid of ALL guns. Not sure I understood your point To your last point. So lots of weapons were not available 50 years ago? We were almost like the only family in the area that didn't have guns (my dad hated them). You do know that one of the weapons in the Sandy Hood was a Glock right? That incident, in my mind, was 100% the mental illness of the shooter not the weapon of choice. You take away the scary guns they will find another weapon. My opinion that these are 100% on the mind controlling the trigger not the trigger.
Chef Jim Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: STOP with the HYSTERIA. Show of hands. How many here are afraid of being shot going to work, school, grocery store, concert? This is the type of hysterical freak you're going to use to get the message out that things need to change? Wrong person for you to be putting on the soapbox. Patriarchal white supremacy coupled with easy access to fire arms. And she has the audacity to say ***** YOU!
SoCal Deek Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: STOP with the HYSTERIA. Show of hands. How many here are afraid of being shot going to work, school, grocery store, concert? This is the type of hysterical freak you're going to use to get the message out that things need to change? Wrong person for you to be putting on the soapbox. Patriarchal white supremacy coupled with easy access to fire arms. And she has the audacity to say ***** YOU! These are the same people who screamed about plastic straws and yet never stopped to think that there isn't a systemic way for your drinking straw to end up in the ocean! Unless of course... YOU THROW IT INTO THE OCEAN! Total idiots.
ALF Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 Illegal guns like in Chicago , very weak background checks, and on and on . The carnage continues
SoCal Deek Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 1 minute ago, ALF said: Illegal guns like in Chicago , very weak background checks, and on and on . The carnage continues What exactly is a 'very weak' background check?
billsfan89 Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 The USA should have a gun license system. In order to buy and own a gun you need a license. In order to get a license you need to pass a background test, mental health evaluation and take basic gun safety and training courses. Every 5 years you have to renew and pass the same mental health evaluation and get a refresher on your training. On top of that any gun sale has a waiting period and requires its own background check. In addition gun owners require liability insurance. If that’s the vetting system in place you won’t get rid of all gun crime and mass shootings but you make the process of buying and owning guns much more of a responsibility and you likely would decrease the proliferation of guns and gun violence. You would also hopefully get a decrease in accidental deaths if you make sure every gun owner was educated on storage and how to handle a defensive situation. Seems like common sense to me.
ALF Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: What exactly is a 'very weak' background check? Checking with relatives then a Dr sign off on the person's mental ability.
SoCal Deek Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 3 minutes ago, ALF said: Checking with relatives then a Dr sign off on the person's mental ability. I've never purchased a firearm. If not the sort of check that you describe above, what more reliable sources would you suggest they 'check' with? Wouldn't the background check policy be up to the governing authority?
Buftex Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 On 3/23/2021 at 6:36 AM, Unforgiven said: Happens every weekend in Chicago, no one ever mentions it. Yes they do, right after somebody mentions a mass murder somewhere else...like clockwork.
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 40 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: It's interesting. ATL is mostly Asians it's racism racism racism. Boulder was all white it's guns guns guns. For the thinking people it's mental illness mental illness mental illness. In my mind that's what ALL these mass shootings have in common. We have to figure a way to identify the people that are likely to commit these crimes and make sure they never ever have access to a weapon and/or ammo. Mental illness combined with anti-psychotic and anti-depressant drugs with lots of side effects like suicidal thoughts and paranoia. The drug companies don't want anyone to bring this into the conversation nor do the politicians receiving lots of loot and contributions from the industry.
Unforgiven Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 Don't ya love how this info slips out quietly days after the fact.... Again, if was white supremacists the entire msm would have been yelling about it in airports 5 mins after the fact, and non stop for weeks.
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