Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Milano and Feliciano never tested the market...both of them told their agents to get something done with the Bills and they wanted to stay. Huh? And Feliciano didn't need to test the market.
Big Turk Posted March 22, 2021 Author Posted March 22, 2021 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Huh? And Feliciano didn't need to test the market. Not what Milano himself said but I guess that random "source" was more accurate...
ngbills Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) They found a QB. Yes we are all happy but lets not take this too far. TB just won a Super Bowl after not making the playoffs for 15 years. What they did is more impressive thus far. The Bills have not been the worst team in the league. A team stuck in mediocrity without a QB is what they were. There were many years they had a good roster just no QB. And I will add - if not for Allen the decisions at QB have been suspect at best. Peterman, AJM, Derek Anderson... Edited March 22, 2021 by ngbills 1
eball Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 17 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Beane got the QB right. He sacrificed an entire season to do it but who cares at this point. He has as many misses in free agency as he does successes. Still lots of question marks on his drafts. Half this board wants to replace, Knox, Singletary, Moss, and Ford which represents half the top 3 picks in the last two years. The guys that took less money did so because they were all candidates to be cut. They chose less money not to stay in Buffalo but to avoid hitting the open market in year with a significant drop in the cap. Beane used this to his advantage. Now if Allen signs for less money than Watson, Wilson or Rodgers then there may be something to the "hometown discount". I disagree with almost everything here. Yes, he got the QB right. You do understand every team has hits AND misses in FA, right? Beane's misses haven't "cost" the Bills any more than other GMs' misses, and his hits have been pretty damn good (Beasley, Brown, Williams, Hyde, Poyer). Just because "half the board" wants players gone doesn't mean those people are correct. As for your comments about the money -- have you SEEN the contracts being given out around the league? Nobody took less to "avoid hitting the open market." I guaran-damn-tee you Josh Allen is not going to hold the Bills over the barrel for the richest contract possible. But don't take my word for it, you'll see yourself. Edited March 23, 2021 by eball 3
Big Turk Posted March 22, 2021 Author Posted March 22, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ngbills said: They found a QB. Yes we are all happy but lets not take this too far. TB just won a Super Bowl after not making the playoffs for 15 years. What they did is more impressive thus far. The Bills have not been the worst team in the league. A team stuck in mediocrity without a QB is what they were. There were many years they had a good roster just no QB. And I will add - if not for Allen the decisions at QB have been suspect at best. Peterman, AJM, Derek Anderson... It's also not sustainable with a 45 year old QB. TB is living on borrowed time. Edited March 22, 2021 by Big Turk 1
teef Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, ngbills said: They found a QB. Yes we are all happy but lets not take this too far. TB just won a Super Bowl after not making the playoffs for 15 years. What they did is more impressive thus far. The Bills have not been the worst team in the league. A team stuck in mediocrity without a QB is what they were. There were many years they had a good roster just no QB. And I will add - if not for Allen the decisions at QB have been suspect at best. Peterman, AJM, Derek Anderson... so if the bills hadn't picked a good qb, they still wouldn't have had a good qb. got it.
TBBills Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, IgotBILLStopay said: Yes we are all happy with Beane - but he has yet to improve the roster significantly for 2021 season - so let us wait to see if the Addison, Butler, Jefferson, Norman deals or non-waiving of Murphy from last year come back to bite us. we still need infusion of talent at TE, DE, run blocking Guard, CB and maybe, RB. It's called the draft...
Mr. WEO Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Big Turk said: Not what Milano himself said but I guess that random "source" was more accurate... How do you know he didn't say this? Did you contradict that report anywhere in that thread? He signed almost 6 weeks after that report. Why wouldn't he seek top dollar? Denying such a simple and natural scenario doesn't make much sense. Someone or something convinced him he would not be getting top dollar.
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, eball said: I disagree with almost everything here. Yes, he got the QB right. You do understand every team has hits AND misses in FA, right? Beane's misses haven't "cost" the Bills any more that other GMs' misses, and his hits have been pretty damn good (Beasley, Brown, Williams, Hyde, Poyer). Just because "half the board" wants players gone doesn't mean those people are correct. As for your comments about the money -- have you SEEN the contracts being given out around the league? Nobody took less to "avoid hitting the open market." I guaran-damn-tee you Josh Allen is not going to hold the Bills over the barrel for the richest contract possible. But don't take my word for it, you'll see yourself. I didn't say he was worse than any other GM. And one could argue his d-line misses have actually cost the Bills a chance at the SB. Murphy, Addison, Butler, and Jefferson all turned out to be fairly poor signings. As for Allen, he has no business asking for more money than Mahommes because Mahommes has a SB victory already even if the contract is a year old. Allen will get the second highest paid contract. He will be more than Dak, Rodgers, Watson, and Wilson.
Big Turk Posted March 22, 2021 Author Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How do you know he didn't say this? Did you contradict that report anywhere in that thread? He signed almost 6 weeks after that report. Why wouldn't he seek top dollar? Denying such a simple and natural scenario doesn't make much sense. Someone or something convinced him he would not be getting top dollar. It's a lot easier to say things when you aren't facing the prospect of following through on them....that is when the deep thinking usually starts and contemplating if you REALLY want to do that...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, Big Turk said: It's also not sustainable with a 45 year old QB. TB is living on borrowed time. I would trade one SB win for sustainable any day. 1 2
ngbills Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: I would trade one SB win for sustainable any day. Add they are the favorite to return again this year.
TPS Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yeah but they signed special teams guys which proves they are so dumb. As the resident alien says, "Humans, they are so dumb." 1
Doc Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, ngbills said: Add they are the favorite to return again this year. Doesn't mean they will.
ngbills Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: How do you know he didn't say this? Did you contradict that report anywhere in that thread? He signed almost 6 weeks after that report. Why wouldn't he seek top dollar? Denying such a simple and natural scenario doesn't make much sense. Someone or something convinced him he would not be getting top dollar. It fits the argument. Left money on the table because Beane cast a spell on him - the wizard. We have all seen the FA market is strange this. Some guys did get paid, but generally speaking the $ is down. L David was best MLB on the market and he got 2/$25M. J Brown got 1/$5M. Wright and Wilson have not even signed yet.
John from Riverside Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, BillsVet said: Thus far, the team's starters looks much like last season. Same OL. Same DL save for Jefferson. Same skill position players on both sides with exception of John Brown. Have to hope Josh continues refining his game, but in an ever changing league, same isn't always better even if you advance to the AFC Championship. The reverse of this could also absolutely be true Signing a ton of free agents doesnt automatically improve your team While I continue to expect Josh to work.....exactly how much refinement are you expecting from a MVP candidate Its not the same skill position players....you got an older version of diggs in Brown's spot
Bob in STL Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 Just this weekend I met a restaurant owner who is a former LA Ram/St Louis Ram front office exec. He retired on the teams last move back to LA and has a number of business interest in St Louis. We talked football for quite awhile and he had the comments about the Bills: - lots of people want to play with Josh Allen - Brandon Beane is a brilliant Executive - in his time with the Rams the Bills were a very common team on players “no trade” lists. He said he was friends with Polian and Marv and was very happy to see the Buffalo football become relevant again. 2 1
ngbills Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, Doc said: Doesn't mean they will. Well they did just win a super bowl. Look I am a Bills fan. I have been for basically all of my 45 years. I was rooting for Brady to lose every week in TB. Heck they barely snuck in the playoffs. But they did what they did. I probably should just ignore these threads. But they do bait me to respond when I see how the Bills are the only team that is amazing and every other team has so many flaws. Every Bills move is great, move they dont make is justified, and every other team is clueless. I do think the Bills have definitely turned the ship around. But if they found a QB at any point prior to Allen I would bet the bank it would have been turned around at those times as well. There were tons of teams that had good success with no talent. I just dont agree with the "these guys have done the impossible" statement. They have done well. I am happy. Fans, experts and others talking about the Bills will say they have done a great job. But the impossible that is a huge embellishment.
Big Turk Posted March 22, 2021 Author Posted March 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Bob in STL said: Just this weekend I met a restaurant owner who is a former LA Ram/St Louis Ram front office exec. He retired on the teams last move back to LA and has a number of business interest in St Louis. We talked football for quite awhile and he had the comments about the Bills: - lots of people want to play with Josh Allen - Brandon Beane is a brilliant Executive - in his time with the Rams the Bills were a very common team on players “no trade” lists. He said he was friends with Polian and Marv and was very happy to see the Buffalo football become relevant again. The Lou! Went to school out there and enjoyed it...except the ungodly hot summers
billsfan89 Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 I look forward to the next cycle of this process where the players who were productive here but went elsewhere to get paid come back after getting cut 2 or 3 seasons later and perform great again. Jordan Phillips and Shaq are prime targets for this to happen.
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