Buffarukus Posted March 21, 2021 Posted March 21, 2021 24 minutes ago, B-Man said: He is beyond help. Same responses and pictures over and over. blueanon
B-Man Posted March 21, 2021 Posted March 21, 2021 When The Narrative Replaces The News How the media grotesquely distorted the Atlanta massacres The massacres at three massage parlors in the Atlanta area this week, leaving eight human beings dead, others injured, and their families scarred, were horrifying. Read this deeply moving story about the son of one of the women killed to remind yourself of this. It’s brutal. The grief will spread and resonate some more. But this story has also been deeply instructive about our national discourse and the state of the American mainstream and elite media. This story’s coverage is proof, it seems to me, that American journalists have officially abandoned the habit of attempting any kind of “objectivity” in reporting these stories. We are now in the enlightened social justice world of “moral clarity” and “narrative-shaping.” Here’s the truth: We don’t yet know why this man did these horrible things. It’s probably complicated, or, as my therapist used to say, “multi-determined.” That’s why we have thorough investigations and trials in America. We only have one solid piece of information as to motive, which is the confession by the mass killer to law enforcement: that he was a religious fundamentalist who was determined to live up to chastity and repeatedly failed, as is often the case. Like the 9/11 bombers or the mass murderer at the Pulse nightclub, he took out his angst on the source of what he saw as his temptation, and committed mass murder. This is evil in the classic fundamentalist sense: a perversion of religion and sexual repression into violence. We should not take the killer’s confession as definitive, of course. But we can probe it — and indeed, his story is backed up by acquaintances and friends and family. The New York Times originally ran one piece reporting this out. The Washington Post also followed up, with one piece citing contemporaneous evidence of the man’s “religious mania” and sexual compulsion. It appears that the man frequented at least two of the spas he attacked. He chose the spas, his ex roommates said, because he thought they were safer than other ways to get easy sex. Just this morning, the NYT ran a second piece which confirms that the killer had indeed been in rehab for sexual impulses, was a religious fanatic, and his next target was going to be “a business tied to the pornography industry.” We have yet to find any credible evidence of anti-Asian hatred or bigotry in this man’s history. Maybe we will. We can’t rule it out. But we do know that his roommates say they once asked him if he picked the spas for sex because the women were Asian. And they say he denied it, saying he thought those spas were just the safest way to have quick sex. That needs to be checked out more. But the only piece of evidence about possible anti-Asian bias points away, not toward it. And yet. Well, you know what’s coming. Accompanying one original piece on the known facts, the NYT ran nine — nine! — separate stories about the incident as part of the narrative that this was an anti-Asian hate crime, fueled by white supremacy and/or misogyny. Not to be outdone, the WaPo ran sixteen separate stories on the incident as an anti-Asian white supremacist hate crime. Sixteen! One story for the facts; sixteen stories on how critical race theory would interpret the event regardless of the facts. For good measure, one of their columnists denounced reporting of law enforcement’s version of events in the newspaper, because it distracted attention from the “real” motives. Today, the NYT ran yet another full-on critical theory piece disguised as news on how these murders are proof of structural racism and sexism — because some activists say they are. Mass killers, if they are motivated by bigotry or hate, tend to let the world know: The suspected attacker in Pittsburgh allegedly said he wanted to “kill Jews” while rampaging inside a synagogue. Police said the man charged with killing people at an El Paso Walmart told them that he was targeting “Mexicans” that day. And the man who massacred Black parishioners inside a Charleston church detailed his racist motivations at length. This mass murderer in Atlanta actually denied any such motive, and, to repeat myself, there is no evidence for it — and that has been true from the very start. And yet, a friend forwarded me the note swiftly sent to students and faculty at Harvard, which sums up the instant view of our elite: Many of us woke up yesterday to the horrific news of the vicious and deadly attack in Atlanta, the latest in a wave of increasing violence targeting the Asian, Asian-American, and Pacific Islander community … This violence has a history. From Chinese Exclusion to the nativist rhetoric amplified during the pandemic, anti-Asian hostility has deep roots in American culture. And on and on. It was almost as if they had a pre-existing script to read, More at the link: https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/when-the-narrative-replaces-the-news-9ea 2 1 2
Buffarukus Posted March 21, 2021 Posted March 21, 2021 1 hour ago, B-Man said: When The Narrative Replaces The News How the media grotesquely distorted the Atlanta massacres The massacres at three massage parlors in the Atlanta area this week, leaving eight human beings dead, others injured, and their families scarred, were horrifying. Read this deeply moving story about the son of one of the women killed to remind yourself of this. It’s brutal. The grief will spread and resonate some more. But this story has also been deeply instructive about our national discourse and the state of the American mainstream and elite media. This story’s coverage is proof, it seems to me, that American journalists have officially abandoned the habit of attempting any kind of “objectivity” in reporting these stories. We are now in the enlightened social justice world of “moral clarity” and “narrative-shaping.” Here’s the truth: We don’t yet know why this man did these horrible things. It’s probably complicated, or, as my therapist used to say, “multi-determined.” That’s why we have thorough investigations and trials in America. We only have one solid piece of information as to motive, which is the confession by the mass killer to law enforcement: that he was a religious fundamentalist who was determined to live up to chastity and repeatedly failed, as is often the case. Like the 9/11 bombers or the mass murderer at the Pulse nightclub, he took out his angst on the source of what he saw as his temptation, and committed mass murder. This is evil in the classic fundamentalist sense: a perversion of religion and sexual repression into violence. We should not take the killer’s confession as definitive, of course. But we can probe it — and indeed, his story is backed up by acquaintances and friends and family. The New York Times originally ran one piece reporting this out. The Washington Post also followed up, with one piece citing contemporaneous evidence of the man’s “religious mania” and sexual compulsion. It appears that the man frequented at least two of the spas he attacked. He chose the spas, his ex roommates said, because he thought they were safer than other ways to get easy sex. Just this morning, the NYT ran a second piece which confirms that the killer had indeed been in rehab for sexual impulses, was a religious fanatic, and his next target was going to be “a business tied to the pornography industry.” We have yet to find any credible evidence of anti-Asian hatred or bigotry in this man’s history. Maybe we will. We can’t rule it out. But we do know that his roommates say they once asked him if he picked the spas for sex because the women were Asian. And they say he denied it, saying he thought those spas were just the safest way to have quick sex. That needs to be checked out more. But the only piece of evidence about possible anti-Asian bias points away, not toward it. And yet. Well, you know what’s coming. Accompanying one original piece on the known facts, the NYT ran nine — nine! — separate stories about the incident as part of the narrative that this was an anti-Asian hate crime, fueled by white supremacy and/or misogyny. Not to be outdone, the WaPo ran sixteen separate stories on the incident as an anti-Asian white supremacist hate crime. Sixteen! One story for the facts; sixteen stories on how critical race theory would interpret the event regardless of the facts. For good measure, one of their columnists denounced reporting of law enforcement’s version of events in the newspaper, because it distracted attention from the “real” motives. Today, the NYT ran yet another full-on critical theory piece disguised as news on how these murders are proof of structural racism and sexism — because some activists say they are. Mass killers, if they are motivated by bigotry or hate, tend to let the world know: The suspected attacker in Pittsburgh allegedly said he wanted to “kill Jews” while rampaging inside a synagogue. Police said the man charged with killing people at an El Paso Walmart told them that he was targeting “Mexicans” that day. And the man who massacred Black parishioners inside a Charleston church detailed his racist motivations at length. This mass murderer in Atlanta actually denied any such motive, and, to repeat myself, there is no evidence for it — and that has been true from the very start. And yet, a friend forwarded me the note swiftly sent to students and faculty at Harvard, which sums up the instant view of our elite: Many of us woke up yesterday to the horrific news of the vicious and deadly attack in Atlanta, the latest in a wave of increasing violence targeting the Asian, Asian-American, and Pacific Islander community … This violence has a history. From Chinese Exclusion to the nativist rhetoric amplified during the pandemic, anti-Asian hostility has deep roots in American culture. And on and on. It was almost as if they had a pre-existing script to read, More at the link: https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/when-the-narrative-replaces-the-news-9ea how does substack work? there is no app in the app store for it. the link you gave lets me subscribe to sullivan alone or its for all the content of the writers on the site? and how many stories per week/ month. 50 bucks per writer would get pricey but supporting independant journalism seems like a good counter to the degradation of mainstream and give journalists a out instead of pushing corporate narratives to make a living. the main page wants me to log in so i keep putting off how it works. thanks for any info.
B-Man Posted March 21, 2021 Posted March 21, 2021 39 minutes ago, Buffarukus said: how does substack work? there is no app in the app store for it. the link you gave lets me subscribe to sullivan alone or its for all the content of the writers on the site? and how many stories per week/ month. 50 bucks per writer would get pricey but supporting independant journalism seems like a good counter to the degradation of mainstream and give journalists a out instead of pushing corporate narratives to make a living. the main page wants me to log in so i keep putting off how it works. thanks for any info. I'm sorry, but I don't have the slightest idea. When I click the link I just get his article. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/georgia-cop-relieved-as-spokesman-after-media-falsely-suggest-he-sympathized-with-suspected-atlanta-shooter GEORGIA OFFICER RELIEVED AS SPOKESMAN AFTER MEDIA FALSELY SUGGEST HE SYMPATHIZED WITH SUSPECTED ATLANTA SHOOTER: Baker’s status within the sheriff’s department is currently unknown. Neldner’s statement didn’t go into detail. Earlier, Cherokee County Sheriff Frank Reynolds said in a separate statement that, though Baker’s comments were “taken or construed as insensitive or inappropriate,” they “were not intended to disrespect any of the victims, the gravity of this tragedy, or express empathy or sympathy for the suspect.” “Captain Baker had a difficult task before him, and this was one of the hardest in his twenty-eight years in law enforcement,” Reynolds said. “I have known and served with Captain Baker for many years. His personal ties to the Asian community and his unwavering support and commitment to the citizens of Cherokee County are well known to many,” the statement added. “On behalf of the dedicated women and men of the Cherokee County Sheriff’s Office we regret any heartache Captain Baker’s words may have caused.” As of this writing, Rupar’s selectively edited video and his accompanying commentary, the things that sparked the firestorm aimed at Baker, have been shared by more than 38,500 social media users. Rule of thumb: If you ever, ever, see Rupar share a brief snippet of remarks made by a public official, always look for the full context. There’s a 99.9% chance there’s more to the story.
Gene Frenkle Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 4 hours ago, B-Man said: He is beyond help. Same responses and pictures over and over. What do redstate, american thinker and Alex Jones think about this? You are seriously the very last person in this forum who should be calling anyone out for repetitive schitt. Shouldn't you be trolling Twitter for your next original thought?
Big Blitz Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 So I had not spent 2 minutes on this story until I logged in to Hulu just now and there it is..... "20/20: Murder in Atlanta." Hmmmm...... Now I know you've heard me say that you are legit living thru a scripted movie and that DC 24/7/365 is all a show.. But you're being manipulated in ways you don't even realize in order for this "show" to go on. Now you mean to tell me that the media who for some reason (I know why) spent the last month talking about a rise in violence against Asian Americans, and of course has wanted you to think Trump voters are to blame (that's why). We know as fact they aren't. We have videos and arrested suspects that would tell you otherwise. But anyway knowing this has been a lie..... You suddenly and incredibly conveniently have this white shooter, who has confessed and said he was motivated by a sex addiction (whatever its 2021 you folks have no idea how society is going to collapse), is now being used by the Democrat party, co-Producers of the B.S. you consume from DC all day, as a symbol of racism against Asian Americans that of course is the fault of Trump voters..... Hold on a second...... .. .... ... .. . My God. Where is the meteor? Can we just be done here? We had a good run. 2
ALF Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 I don't know why asians would take this terrible case as a hate crime. The guy was a nut case
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 20 minutes ago, ALF said: I don't know why asians would take this terrible case as a hate crime. The guy was a nut case I'll tell you why. Because they feel threatened all the time and when they see 6 Asian women murdered it scares them even more. Now, I don't know what the exact motives of this idiot were; he may very well have been reacting because of sex addiction. But here's the thing: for my daughter who is adopted from China and her friends who are also Asian-American, or Asian immigrants, or whomever - they feel they are under assault. Open your damned eyes and look around you - elderly people of Asian descent are being targeted around the country. My daughter and her friends just saw a Vietnamese restaurant next to their campus broken in to and destroyed, graffiti with Asian slurs painted all over the inside and outside of the building. The owners are selling because they fear for their lives. I want to hear from every single person posting in this thread. Answer one simple question for me: is targeting Asian people just because they are Asian OK with you or not? Everyone should say no. And if you don't, you should be glad I don't run into you in person.
ALF Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: I want to hear from every single person posting in this thread. Answer one simple question for me: is targeting Asian people just because they are Asian OK with you or not? Everyone should say no. And if you don't, you should be glad I don't run into you in person. Of course it's not ok . I don't know what it would take to change the minds of evil people who commit these crimes against the asian community. Was it like this before covid and Trump's rhetoric ?
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 35 minutes ago, ALF said: Of course it's not ok . I don't know what it would take to change the minds of evil people who commit these crimes against the asian community. Was it like this before covid and Trump's rhetoric ? It was there but not anywhere near as bad. I have seen estimates suggesting 200% increase or more in incidents over the past year
ALF Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: It was there but not anywhere near as bad. I have seen estimates suggesting 200% increase or more in incidents over the past year I'm retired so I watch a lot of news and read . It seems just the recent extreme cases are covered , I had no idea the problem was so widespread. It might help if all politicians condemned these terrible acts. Do you have any suggestion how to deal with this problem ?
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 15 minutes ago, ALF said: I'm retired so I watch a lot of news and read . It seems just the recent extreme cases are covered , I had no idea the problem was so widespread. It might help if all politicians condemned these terrible acts. Do you have any suggestion how to deal with this problem ? First is just recognizing it’s a problem. What my daughter would tell you is just that acknowledging it’s an issue is a big step forward. So if you know someone who is of Asian descent, ask them how they’re feeling, or if there is anything you can do even if it’s just providing a sympathetic ear. Second, if you see or hear anti-Asian behavior in your community or workplace, speak up. Don’t let it slide. The increased level of incidents against Asian Americans is due in part to them being considered a silent minority. It is felt that Asians are the successful minority and thus have no problems - that is untrue. Asian American women in particular are singled out as sex objects by many men - my daughter shared a term for that which just stunned me. In her community it is called “yellow fever”. Google AAPI (PI being people of Pacific Island descent) and there are organizations that describe other ways all of us can help. 1
wnyguy Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 1 hour ago, ALF said: Of course it's not ok . I don't know what it would take to change the minds of evil people who commit these crimes against the asian community. Was it like this before covid and Trump's rhetoric ? What rhetoric? Claiming that the virus originated and was spread in China? That's the truth, not rhetoric. Unbelievable. 1 3
Orlando Buffalo Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: First is just recognizing it’s a problem. What my daughter would tell you is just that acknowledging it’s an issue is a big step forward. So if you know someone who is of Asian descent, ask them how they’re feeling, or if there is anything you can do even if it’s just providing a sympathetic ear. Second, if you see or hear anti-Asian behavior in your community or workplace, speak up. Don’t let it slide. The increased level of incidents against Asian Americans is due in part to them being considered a silent minority. It is felt that Asians are the successful minority and thus have no problems - that is untrue. Asian American women in particular are singled out as sex objects by many men - my daughter shared a term for that which just stunned me. In her community it is called “yellow fever”. Google AAPI (PI being people of Pacific Island descent) and there are organizations that describe other ways all of us can help. Of course it is wrong to attack someone without provocation regardless of race. This is not just an Asian problem, it is a problem with people not respecting others rights as American citizens. This dude should be found guilty and stuck I jail for a long time, preferably until dead. In 2020 homicides jumped 30% in this country and everyone needs to be more on edge in cities. I am sorry that your daughter feels unsafe but the women being sexualized has been a long time in the works and is just gotten progressively worse. 1
ALF Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, wnyguy said: What rhetoric? Claiming that the virus originated and was spread in China? That's the truth, not rhetoric. Unbelievable. Kung Flu is the truth not inflammatory rhetoric ?
wnyguy Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, ALF said: Kung Flu is the truth not inflammatory rhetoric ? So you're saying because Trump called it kung flu it sparked killing and violence against Asian Americans? C'mon man.
B-Man Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 2 hours ago, oldmanfan said: I want to hear from every single person posting in this thread. Answer one simple question for me: is targeting Asian people just because they are Asian OK with you or not? Everyone should say no. And if you don't, you should be glad I don't run into you in person. 1 hour ago, oldmanfan said: First is just recognizing it’s a problem. What my daughter would tell you is just that acknowledging it’s an issue is a big step forward. So if you know someone who is of Asian descent, ask them how they’re feeling, or if there is anything you can do even if it’s just providing a sympathetic ear. Second, if you see or hear anti-Asian behavior in your community or workplace, speak up. Don’t let it slide. The increased level of incidents against Asian Americans is due in part to them being considered a silent minority. It is felt that Asians are the successful minority and thus have no problems - that is untrue. Asian American women in particular are singled out as sex objects by many men - my daughter shared a term for that which just stunned me. In her community it is called “yellow fever”. Google AAPI (PI being people of Pacific Island descent) and there are organizations that describe other ways all of us can help. Sir , your posts on here stand out because of your terrible personal experience with this racism. I cannot imagine how it feels and I have two daughters of my own. Of course I, and everyone should condemn this. Anti-Asian abuse by any group is wrong in every circumstance. (And here comes the however) However, I have posted two articles by Asian-Americans that do not want this horrible problem being used by others simply for political gain. Ignoring their opinions is wrong also. It is dishonoring those thousands and thousands of those of Asian descent who face this bigotry daily (as you have pointed out) The media and others are constantly trying to divide Americans and they will use biased narratives to that gain. Hopefully the "Silent Majority" will continue to speak out against the Asian bias on the streets, the Universities, and throughout America. God bless you and your family. Now this is the type of simple question I would also ask the board. Is ANY criticism of the Chinese government, who have been working tirelessly to hurt our country, is any comment against this to be lumped in with Anti-Asian racism ? I say no. (Edited for errors)
oldmanfan Posted March 22, 2021 Posted March 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, B-Man said: Sir , your posts on here stand out because of your terrible personal experience with this racism. I cannot imagine how it feels and I have two daughters of my own. Of course I, and everyone should condemn this. Anti-Asian abuse by any group is wrong in every circumstance. (And here comes the however) However, I have posted two articles by Asian-Americans that do not want this horrible problem being used by others simply for political gain. Ignoring their opinions is wrong also. It is dishonoring those thousands and thousands of those of Asian descent who face this bigotry daily (as you have pointed out) The media and others are constantly trying to divide Americans and they will use biased narratives to that gain. Hopefully the "Silent Majority" will continue to speak out against the Asian bias on the streets, the Universities, and throughout America. God bless you and your family. Now this is the type of simple question I would also ask the board. Is ANY criticism of the Chinese government, who have been working tirelessly to hurt our country, is any comment against this to be lumped in with Anti-Asian racism ? I say no. (Edited for errors) I appreciate your kind thoughts about my daughter and others like her. Two points: 1. I absolutely agree that using mistreatment of those in the AAPI community as a political pawn is wrong. No question. 2. You can criticize the Chinese government without that being racist. 1 1
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