Terrorist has a bad day, murders 8 in Atlanta

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

17 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:

We will find out the motives of this nut in Atlanta as things go forward.  Meanwhile the data shows big upticks in attacks against Asian Americans, and it causes my daughter and her friends to live in fear.

 

Everyone in this message board should quit trying to play politics about this, and band together and call it out for what it is:  racial prejudice.  And it is wrong.  Period.

i agree with you sir and support your daughters right along with 40% of my children’s school community, several direct reports and half my leadership teams right to freedom without fear of bigotry.     
 

My intent of pointing the manipulation out is a very anti politicization stance.

 

Calling everything racist is just as bad as not calling out the actual acts of bigotry and racially motivated crime and actually increases fear and division. 
 

We saw the same around 9-11. 

Edited March 19, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[oldmanfan]

2 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

i agree with you sir and support your daughters right along with 40% of my children’s school community, several direct reports and half my leadership teams right to freedom without fear of bigotry.     
 

My intent of pointing the manipulation out is a very anti politicization stance.

 

Calling everything racist is just as bad as not calling out the actual acts of bigotry and actually increases fear and division. 
 

We saw the same around 9-11. 

Good points

[US Egg]

So the main concern about these murdered Asian women in these modern day illicit sex brothels there, and across the country, is to expose racism. 

 

No one seems concerned how many of these women are forced there.

Edited March 19, 2021 by I am the egg man

[BillStime]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

MEDIA PEDDLES UNSUPPORTED RACIAL NARRATIVE ON ATLANTA “SPA” SHOOTINGS

FTA:

 

The initial police statement about the shootings was that they did not appear to be racially motivated. Instead, they were the result of “what [the killer] considers a sex addiction.” “He sees these locations [message parlors] as something that allows him to go to these places and it’s a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate,” the police explained.

 

The mainstream media quickly rejected this explanation. It insisted that the killings were racially motivated. They were the symptom of rampant anti-Asian sentiment fueled, to a significant degree, by former President Trump. Seizing on the Atlanta shootings, the Post has for days been running article after article about “hate crimes” directed at Asian-Americans

 

Monica Hess of the Post tried to counter the “sex addiction” explanation this way:

[The killer] could have stopped at strip clubs, pornographic video stores or multiple shops lined with wall-to-wall dildoes. But he didn’t. He drove 27 miles to Gold Spa, where he allegedly killed three Asian women, and then crossed the street to Aromatherapy Spa where he allegedly killed one more (the names of the victims at the final two establishments have not been released).

He chose businesses where the employees were not just women, but Asian women, not just Asian women, but lower-wage Asian women in a fetishized profession.

 

It seems, however, that the shooter drove to these “spas” because they were ones he had patronized. If that’s true, then the shooter’s choice of locations is fully consistent with the theory that he was motivated by guilt over sex. It neither supports nor refutes the suggestion of bias against Asians.

 

Other evidence strongly supports the “sex addiction” theory. According to USA Today, the killer “had been in rehab for sex addiction and was wracked with guilt about his sexual urges, according to two people who lived with him in transitional housing.” Moreover, he “was deeply religious and could not control his desire to visit massage parlors and engage in sexual acts, something that sent him into deep bouts of depression.” (Emphasis added)

 

What evidence, other than the identity of the victims, backs up the view that racial basis motivated the killings? None of which I’m aware. And it’s worth noting, as John Sexton does, that a highly-publicized attack on an elderly Asian man in Oakland by a black suspect has not been charged as murder even though the family believes race was clearly a factor.

 

Both of the killer’s housemates say they never heard him use racist language or disparage non-white people. Both say he was rarely online and, to their knowledge, didn’t frequent racist internet message boards or websites. Two former high school classmates added that he didn’t express political opinions in public and was not overtly racist.

 

Does the fact that the shooter chose to patronize Asian message parlors show some form of anti-Asian animus? I don’t think such animus can be inferred from the source of his efforts to achieve sexual gratification. In fact, according again to USA Today, the shooter told his housemates that he preferred these message parlors because “he thought the spas were safer than paying for sex elsewhere.”

 

As the matter is investigated further, perhaps evidence will emerge supporting the media’s conclusion that the shooter was a racist whose deadly actions were motivated by hatred of Asians. As of now, though, this view lacks support. By contrast, the “sex addiction” theory has a solid foundation.

 

So why has the media adopted the “hate crime” narrative? That’s an easy one. As Liz Sheld of American Greatness says, the media is bent on “sowing suspicion and division among Americans.” When bad things happen, it will always pick the explanation that casts Americans in the worst, most racist light, even if a more plausible alternative is staring us in the face.

 

 

As will Democrats, including Joe Biden.

 

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2021/03/media-peddles-unsupported-narrative-of-atlanta-spa-shootings.php

 

Not one...

 

 

[Chef Jim]

16 hours ago, Gene Frenkle said:

Agreed

<Chef Jim rethinks his position> 

 

😁

[Chef Jim]

3 hours ago, Motorin' said:

 

It's easy to say "anyone who would commit such terrible acts of violence is mentally ill." But that doesn't mean the person has an actual mental illness. Longitudinal studies have shown that people with serious mental illnesses are no more likely to commit acts of violence than people with a mental illness, and are far more likely to be the the victim of violence than people without mental illness.

 

I would even go so far as to claim it does actual violence to people with mental illness when as a society we jump to the conclusion that mental illness is responsible for bombastic public crimes. Mental illness is not a crime.  

 

Yet a common thread between people with actual mental illnesses and those without mental illnesses who committ horrific violence is the inability to control their anger and rage. 

 

I still believe there was racism and misogyny at the heart of the Atlanta shootings, because it was too organized and targeted. Someone in the throes of a wildly psychotic episode isn't that calculated. No one would be jumping to the conclusion that it was an act of hate if he went to three random establishments that were run by random groups of people. But they were all Asian owned, all across town.

 

At the very least, we can agree that at the hearts of both crimes was a deep hatred. The Rochester crimes seem deeply sadistic, and I wouldn't be surprised if those kids harbored a hatred of white people. Hate is hate, and we need to do everything in our power to oppose it. 

 

So in your mind someone who murders 8 innocent people is mentally stable.  Yeah yeah you're next response will be "I never said that!"  No but you sure did insinuate it.  

 

In your mind it's all about race.  Why?  Because that's what the media and the left has programmed you to default to?  

 

In my mind it's more about his deep faith fighting with the demons of sexual addiction he had.  I put one and one together and come up with mental illness. You on the other hand put one an.......RACISM!!!!!!  

[Chef Jim]

54 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Not one...

 

 

 

Why is this here??  

[B-Man]

4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

Why is this here??  

 

Seriously ?

 

You know at this point. He had no real response when faced with a strong argument that challenged his bias,

 

and he just threw any B.S. he could find.

 

S.O.P. for him.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 19, 2021 by B-Man

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, B-Man said:

 

Seriously ?

 

You know at this point. He had no real response when faced with a strong argument that challenged his bias,

 

and he just through any B.S. he could find.

 

S.O.P. for him.

 

 

 

Why aren't you freaks at your safe place?

[Motorin']

2 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

So in your mind someone who murders 8 innocent people is mentally stable.  Yeah yeah you're next response will be "I never said that!"  No but you sure did insinuate it.  

 

In your mind it's all about race.  Why?  Because that's what the media and the left has programmed you to default to?  

 

In my mind it's more about his deep faith fighting with the demons of sexual addiction he had.  I put one and one together and come up with mental illness. You on the other hand put one an.......RACISM!!!!!!  

 

Do you think the families, co-workers and community members of the victims are comforted by your instance that racism had nothing to do with it?

 

#StopAsianHate

 

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Why aren't you freaks at your safe place?

 

Care to answer a simple question?  What relevance to the topic being discussed here does your post have? 

[BillStime]

Just now, Chef Jim said:

 

Care to answer a simple question?  What relevance to the topic being discussed here does your post have? 

 

Are you a moderator?

 

[Chef Jim]

10 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Do you think the families, co-workers and community members of the victims are comforted by your instance that racism had nothing to do with it?

 

#StopAsianHate

 

 

What Asian hate are you talking about?  Ohhhhhh, it's your opinion that it's an Asian hate crime.  Mine is it's his addiction and faith that collided.  Time will likely tell but I'm willing to bet mine theory proves correct.  

1 minute ago, BillStime said:

 

Are you a moderator?

 

 

Just answer the question.  I'm curious to see your line of thinking here.  

[Chef Jim]

@Motorin'

 

@BillStime

 

Why is it when your challenged you clam up?   

[Motorin']

Just now, Chef Jim said:

@Motorin'

 

@BillStime

 

Why is it when your challenged you clam up?   

 

bull *****. 

[BillStime]

1 minute ago, Chef Jim said:

@Motorin'

 

@BillStime

 

Why is it when your challenged you clam up?   

 

I don't like rabbit holes.

[Chef Jim]

Just now, Motorin' said:

 

bull *****. 

 

I'm sorry. Yeah you've engaged.  It's @BillStime that has not.  

 

 

Just now, BillStime said:

 

I don't like rabbit holes.

 

You mean you don't like debating.  Sorry I'll leave you to your simple memes and posts.  

 

Carry on

 

 

[BillStime]

5 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

 

I'm sorry. Yeah you've engaged.  It's @BillStime that has not.  

 

 

 

You mean you don't like debating.  Sorry I'll leave you to your simple memes and posts.  

 

Carry on

 

 

 

Thank you

[Chef Jim]

8 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

Thank you

 

Chicken *****.  😆

 

NOW you find your manners.  

Edited March 19, 2021 by Chef Jim

[Unforgiven]

https://andrewsullivan.substack.com/p/when-the-narrative-replaces-the-news-9ea

When The Narrative Replaces The News

 

<snip>

Here’s the truth: We don’t yet know why this man did these horrible things. It’s probably complicated, or, as my therapist used to say, “multi-determined.” That’s why we have thorough investigations and trials in America. We only have one solid piece of information as to motive, which is the confession by the mass killer to law enforcement: that he was a religious fundamentalist who was determined to live up to chastity and repeatedly failed, as is often the case. Like the 9/11 bombers or the mass murderer at the Pulse nightclub, he took out his angst on the source of what he saw as his temptation, and committed mass murder. This is evil in the classic fundamentalist sense: a perversion of religion and sexual repression into violence.

<snip>

 

 

Easy to do this when so many people are weak minded.