Boxcar Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 "Were there any consensual sexual encounters after a massage? Yes" I know there is porn dedicated to stuff happening during/after a massage, but a massage treatment is not sexual. It isn't supposed to be. That's a massive red flag when he's flying these women in for what seems to be a booty call, unbeknownst to them. "He didn't coerce or use his position of power." Even if he didn't do this consciously, come on. You simply can't be a guy like DeShaun Watson and not have that power inherently. It's like the Louis CK thing (and what Louie did wasn't right but I think amounted to making some women feel deeply uncomfortable). When you're in a position like that, people who view you as an idol of some kind can perceive that you have the power to advance their careers in some way, or ruin them if you say no, even if it isn't directly implied a la Harvey Weinstein. I get sometimes it can be tricky to discern true consent, but there are situations where maybe you should use Tinder instead, or have the woman agree to perform these acts before flying them in. I'm not going to assert Watson is guilty, but these admissions are from his own lawyer. 1
Behindenemylines Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 5 hours ago, Boxcar said: "Were there any consensual sexual encounters after a massage? Yes" I know there is porn dedicated to stuff happening during/after a massage, but a massage treatment is not sexual. It isn't supposed to be. That's a massive red flag when he's flying these women in for what seems to be a booty call, unbeknownst to them. "He didn't coerce or use his position of power." Even if he didn't do this consciously, come on. You simply can't be a guy like DeShaun Watson and not have that power inherently. It's like the Louis CK thing (and what Louie did wasn't right but I think amounted to making some women feel deeply uncomfortable). When you're in a position like that, people who view you as an idol of some kind can perceive that you have the power to advance their careers in some way, or ruin them if you say no, even if it isn't directly implied a la Harvey Weinstein. I get sometimes it can be tricky to discern true consent, but there are situations where maybe you should use Tinder instead, or have the woman agree to perform these acts before flying them in. I'm not going to assert Watson is guilty, but these admissions are from his own lawyer. I agree with everything you're saying. He knows he has "power" in the situation, just look at his actions trying to get traded! Also, he denied all of this initially, now the tune changes to consensual sex. That only happens when there is evidence, or so much circumstantial evidence that it can not really be denied any longer. A guy like this can pay for anything we would want in that department, just have his agent order it up, right? Discreet and clean, but the he did it this way because that is where the thrill was. Its going to get even uglier as the lawyers leak more info to keep up the public court of opinion. 1
Mr. WEO Posted April 13, 2021 Posted April 13, 2021 (edited) Latest defense: Edited April 13, 2021 by Mr. WEO 1 5
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? 3 1
LEBills Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 31 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? I think most likely one person didn’t want her name to go public and to deal with all the troubles that come along with that rather than a settlement. 1
CNYfan Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 I think that one masseuse felt that her privacy was more important than this circus. I think, maybe, that by not wanting to be named publicly that her case will be dismissed.
JoPoy88 Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 3 hours ago, whatdrought said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? it’s both, from different points of view. There’s no inconsistency there. 1
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 9 hours ago, whatdrought said: Hmm.. There's an interesting contradiction in this tweet that actually makes a huge difference: Pelissero says "has dropped her civil lawsuit" Hardin says: "We've got one dismissed" Which is it? Either the accuser didn’t want to reveal real name or could potentially have been settled resulting in a dismissal
GunnerBill Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 I expect a few more to fall by the wayside in the next couple of weeks as well but people shouldn't read anything into that one way or the other. It is normal in these sort of cases.
thenorthremembers Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 On 4/9/2021 at 5:05 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said: I mean it's like a lot of football players eat 5 or 6 professionally prepared dinners a week during the preseason and season. The math on that is 100-120 meals from August until January, but they probably don't have 40 or 50 chefs preparing them; they find 1 or 2 who cook to their taste and then pay for those chefs to keep them as regular clients. I think that applies to how most athletes interact with massage therapists. They may be getting 2-3 massages a week, but they're primarily going to be sports massages with trained sports massage therapists, and the athletes are going to find therapists who get to know what they need in the way of attention to different muscle groups and who do the best work for them, personally. Agreed. He used IG to find them because he wanted to see what they looked like before hiring them. 1
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 6 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: it’s both, from different points of view. There’s no inconsistency there. Not necessarily. Dismissed could mean that the judge dismissed it, whereas dropped just means the plaintiff withdrew the suit. Do we know for a fact how that happened? I didn’t see anything on it other than this tweet.
Mr. WEO Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 18 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Not necessarily. Dismissed could mean that the judge dismissed it, whereas dropped just means the plaintiff withdrew the suit. Do we know for a fact how that happened? I didn’t see anything on it other than this tweet. A Judge hasn't seen these cases yet. They have only recently been filed.
DaggersEOD Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 17 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Not necessarily. Dismissed could mean that the judge dismissed it, whereas dropped just means the plaintiff withdrew the suit. Do we know for a fact how that happened? I didn’t see anything on it other than this tweet. Yeah I think this does need some clarification. To my non-lawyer ear, dismissed means a judge decided that the case has no merit and dismissed it. Dropped means the person filing the charges decided to not continue pursuit for whatever reason. IMO dismissed implies innocence.
whatdrought Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 5 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A Judge hasn't seen these cases yet. They have only recently been filed. Thanks, I haven’t been keeping that close an eye on it. Just saw the wording and got confused. 3 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: Yeah I think this does need some clarification. To my non-lawyer ear, dismissed means a judge decided that the case has no merit and dismissed it. Dropped means the person filing the charges decided to not continue pursuit for whatever reason. IMO dismissed implies innocence. That’s what my first thought was, but I did some digging and it looks like in legal terms dismissed can mean: - dismissed by the overseeing authority, as in, the judge throws it out. or - the defendant has been “dismissed” from charges/dismissed from the filing. I hadn’t heard the second version used before, but that would likely be why the lawyer phrased it that way. 2
DaggersEOD Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 48 minutes ago, whatdrought said: Thanks, I haven’t been keeping that close an eye on it. Just saw the wording and got confused. That’s what my first thought was, but I did some digging and it looks like in legal terms dismissed can mean: - dismissed by the overseeing authority, as in, the judge throws it out. or - the defendant has been “dismissed” from charges/dismissed from the filing. I hadn’t heard the second version used before, but that would likely be why the lawyer phrased it that way.
mannc Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Thanks, I haven’t been keeping that close an eye on it. Just saw the wording and got confused. That’s what my first thought was, but I did some digging and it looks like in legal terms dismissed can mean: - dismissed by the overseeing authority, as in, the judge throws it out. or - the defendant has been “dismissed” from charges/dismissed from the filing. I hadn’t heard the second version used before, but that would likely be why the lawyer phrased it that way. Plaintiffs can dismiss their own cases. Happens all the time. There are all kinds of reasons one of these cases might have been dismissed. The dismissed case might even get re-filed. That’s not uncommon, either. 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Either the accuser didn’t want to reveal real name or could potentially have been settled resulting in a dismissal Trying to think who Hardin looks like...
YoloinOhio Posted April 14, 2021 Posted April 14, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, mannc said: Plaintiffs can dismiss their own cases. Happens all the time. There are all kinds of reasons one of these cases might have been dismissed. The dismissed case might even get re-filed. That’s not uncommon, either. Trying to think who Hardin looks like... Jerry Jones without plastic surgery Edited April 14, 2021 by YoloinOhio 1 1
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