pennstate10 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Some people would argue he was a better QB (higher completion %, more ypg) albeit a less effective rusher. I’m not going to go there. The point is, he returned to the NFL game after being suspended, tried, convicted and serving time in prison. Hmm... let’s see. he had a 20-20 record with zero playoff appearances after his return from dogfighting. id say that qualifies as ineffective. maybe that’s effective in your book. A judgement call I guess. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boxcar Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: In the METOO climate we live in, if convicted I highly doubt the NFL would ever welcome him back. If they can blackball Kap for kneeling to the anthem then they’ll definitely blackball Watson from the NFL without a second thought. NFL is political and the worry about their reputation. The last thing they would want is the media chewing them a new ####### for letting a rapist back in the league Kaepernick isn't being blackballed for kneeling. He's being blackballed because he's terrible at football. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 2 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Hmm... let’s see. he had a 20-20 record with zero playoff appearances after his return from dogfighting. id say that qualifies as ineffective. maybe that’s effective in your book. A judgement call I guess. I was not a big Vick guy before or after the suspension but I think 2010 was his best season. 2 hours ago, Boxcar said: Kaepernick isn't being blackballed for kneeling. He's being blackballed because he's terrible at football. It is both actually. If he was a true franchise level Quarterback his kneeling would have been overlooked. But he isn't. He was however less terrible at football than many of the guys around the league in backup jobs then and now. The issue is NFL teams have 1 pretty clear rule about backup QBs.... they must not be a distraction to the team. And Kap would be. That is why as of last season Blaine Gabbert was still in the league and Kap wasn't. 4 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 Tyrod Taylor would be next man up so not too bad. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 19 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Vick should’ve been banned from the NFL for life. He’s a piece of ***** excuse for a human being. I don’t care what he did to to change himself, he will always be a dog killer and abuser. Another one of Goodell’s screw ups. I’ll never ever respect Vick after all he did Killing and abusing dogs is horrible, no doubt. If all this stuff is true though, when it comes to being a human being, Mike Vick > Deshaun Watson. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 6 hours ago, GunnerBill said: It is both actually. If he was a true franchise level Quarterback his kneeling would have been overlooked. But he isn't. He was however less terrible at football than many of the guys around the league in backup jobs then and now. The issue is NFL teams have 1 pretty clear rule about backup QBs.... they must not be a distraction to the team. And Kap would be. That is why as of last season Blaine Gabbert was still in the league and Kap wasn't. This. He wants to be a distraction and the juice ain't worth the squeeze. No way I'm fielding 5 questions about why my Backup QB did x y or z every press conference. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaggersEOD Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 12 hours ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: Plenty have for various reasons, but I never hurt or tortured defenseless animals like Vick did. To me there’s never any forgiveness when it comes to sexual assault or hurting animals. I dunno man. I tend to value women more than dogs. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBills1998 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 58 minutes ago, Rico said: Killing and abusing dogs is horrible, no doubt. If all this stuff is true though, when it comes to being a human being, Mike Vick > Deshaun Watson. I don’t know how you can call Vick a good human being. I really fail to see that picture, but to each his own. 25 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: I dunno man. I tend to value women more than dogs. I tend to value all animals in general more than human beings, but that’s just me. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said: I don’t know how you can call Vick a good human being. I really fail to see that picture, but to each his own. I tend to value all animals in general more than human beings, but that’s just me. I didn't say Vick was a good human being. I said that if all this stuff about Watson is true, then Watson is worse than Vick. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, GunnerBill said: I was not a big Vick guy before or after the suspension but I think 2010 was his best season. It is both actually. If he was a true franchise level Quarterback his kneeling would have been overlooked. But he isn't. He was however less terrible at football than many of the guys around the league in backup jobs then and now. The issue is NFL teams have 1 pretty clear rule about backup QBs.... they must not be a distraction to the team. And Kap would be. That is why as of last season Blaine Gabbert was still in the league and Kap wasn't. Kaep wasn't significantly better than Gabbert and that is what started this whole thing in the first place. Kaep wanted starter money. If he took a team friendly deal like Winston and Trubisky he is probably Lamar's primary back up at this point. Edited April 4, 2021 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 7 minutes ago, Mat68 said: Kaep wasn't significantly better than Gabbert and that is what started this whole thing in the first place. Kaep wanted starter money. If he took a team friendly deal like Winston and Trubisky he is probably Lamar's primary back up at this point. It depends on your interpretation of significantly. But it was pretty clear seeing both on the field with the same supporting cast in 2016 that Kap was better. Agree that in the early years he was probably wanting too much money, but it is mainly about distraction from a position that needs to be not seen and not heard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 4, 2021 Share Posted April 4, 2021 16 hours ago, pennstate10 said: Let’s face it. Vick wasn’t an effective football player after the dog fighting charges and conviction. He was PB his first season as Eagles starter and they made the playoffs. Had career highs for passing and rushing TDs in only 12 games. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 14 hours ago, Rico said: I didn't say Vick was a good human being. I said that if all this stuff about Watson is true, then Watson is worse than Vick. Disagree but I'm a dog person. Betting on two dogs fighting to the death is pretty sick. Hanging, electrocuting, and drowning dogs deemed not aggressive enough is pretty appalling. I'm not downplaying him putting these women in extremely uncomfortable situations but there's been no accusations of rape to the best of my knowledge. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Behindenemylines Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 9 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Disagree but I'm a dog person. Betting on two dogs fighting to the death is pretty sick. Hanging, electrocuting, and drowning dogs deemed not aggressive enough is pretty appalling. I'm not downplaying him putting these women in extremely uncomfortable situations but there's been no accusations of rape to the best of my knowledge. The forced BJ would be considered Rape in many circumstances. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Behindenemylines said: The forced BJ would be considered Rape in many circumstances. If true, as awful as that is at least they can live to talk about it and probably get compensated. The dogs on the other hand........ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: If true, as awful as that is at least they can live to talk about it and probably get compensated. The dogs on the other hand........ Wow! Just wow! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 2 hours ago, Behindenemylines said: The forced BJ would be considered Rape in many every circumstances. fixed for accuracy 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wppete Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Those are really disturbing to read. I can’t see how anyone can defend this type of behavior. Should be interesting to see who continues to defend him after reading that. Very disturbing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 5, 2021 Share Posted April 5, 2021 42 Women? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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