Texans' Deshaun Watson accused of indecent conduct in civil lawsuit; QB denies wrongdoing

[Chandler#81]

22 hours ago, bobobonators said:

It’s called a character witness. So far these are nothing more than allegations, anyway. Unless of course you already have your mind made up. 
 

He doesnt need to prove anything. 

Going through life blind must be blissful.

 

I wouldn’t know, though..🤷‍♂️

[Captain Hindsight]

37 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said:

 

 

what if the Texans helped make sure that this got out?

This situation is no way benefits the Texans. Not even a little bit

[TBBills Fan]

1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said:

This situation is no way benefits the Texans. Not even a little bit

 

 

you are assuming the Texans are a smart well run organization that doesnt operate out of spite.

 

A dumb org may say, hey this makes him untradeable and he comes back, then it gets swept under the rug.....

 

not saying its what happened, but that is actually quite possible with rich mother ***** with a lot of money on the line

[Hapless Bills Fan]

57 minutes ago, MJS said:

Just the fact that he has been to so many massage therapists is creepy. What's that, like at least 40? That's not normal. Usually you find one or two you like and schedule with them. Why on earth would you need to go to so many unless it was for some fetish?

 

 I know, right?  I can see maybe half a dozen? especially for a pro athlete, if they specialize in different techniques or some work different muscle groups better than others, or to have a "backup plan" if he needs a massage like NOW and the first preference is booked up while the second one has a sick kid. 

 

I've experienced what a great massage can do for some screamingly painful overworked muscle groups and if I were a wealthy pro athlete, I wouldn't want to have to delay that therapy when I need it.  I've also had massages that didn't measure up to that standard.

 

20 different massage therapists?  40 different massage therapists?  For a guy who can get recommendations from teammates and trainers?

 

 

[wppete]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 I know, right?  I can see maybe half a dozen? especially for a pro athlete, if they specialize in different techniques or some work different muscle groups better than others, or to have a "backup plan" if he needs a massage like NOW and the first preference is booked up while the second one has a sick kid. 

 

But 20?  40?  Really?

 

 

Completely agree this ☝️..... Anyone with a logical mind and not diluted by emotion understands what Deshaun was up to. To this point we have at least 24 women with detailed accounts of his predatory behavior. Anyone that says otherwise in the Media or on here is completely blind by their biases and looks like are defending a predator. Pretty simple. 
 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, Dafan said:

Guess Ted Bundy should have found some girls to say he didn't kill them.

 

I wanted to react to this but I wasn't quite sure how.  "Like" or "Thanks" didn't seem right...but I agree with the general premise so "Sad" or "Shocked" doesn't seem right.

 

To step away from the murder analogy, next time I get a speeding ticket if I decide to take it to court, I'm sure the judge will be incredibly impressed to hear about all the routes, days, and years I've driven the same car and not gotten a speeding ticket.  That'll really persuade him I wasn't speeding on the date and time the ticket was issued.

 

Oh.  Maybe not.....

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 minutes ago, wppete said:

Completely agree this ☝️..... Anyone with a logical mind and not diluted by emotion understands what Deshaun was up to. To this point we have at least 24 women with detailed accounts of his predatory behavior. Anyone that says otherwise in the Media or on here is completely blind by their biases and looks like are defending a predator. Pretty simple.

 

Taking the allegations on face value, certainly.  And I don't believe a "conspiracy" of this size could credibly be pulled off without someone blowing it open. 

I still believe that everyone deserves his day in court and his right to face accusers, hear the details, and present exculpatory evidence.  There have been some modern equivalents of the famous "Salem Witch Trials" where people's memories and thus testimonies were manipulated in various ways.  So I won't claim that people who hold back and reserve judgement are "blind" or lack "logical minds", either, and if that looks like "defending a predator", I can live with that.

[BarleyNY]

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This isn't true.  This would easily fall under the CBA bargained rule of "conduct detrimental".  

I think you misunderstood me.  My comment alluded to Goodell’s power in such matters and his wide ranging penalties.  I’m not sure of any changes in the most recent CBA, but the previous one gave him near absolute authority in cases like this.  Also I’ve found little rhyme or reason to his penalties except that he always seems to have an eye toward the bottom dollar and making sure his authority is not challenged.

 

As for this case I meant that I have no idea of what Goodell will do.  Is there cause for a penalty from the league?  I’d sure think so.  Will anything actually happen?  No idea.

4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

This isn't true.  This would easily fall under the CBA bargained rule of "conduct detrimental".  

I think you misunderstood me.  My comment alluded to Goodell’s power in such matters and his wide ranging penalties.  I’m not sure of any changes in the most recent CBA, but the previous one gave him near absolute authority in cases like this.  Also I’ve found little rhyme or reason to his penalties except that he always seems to have an eye toward the bottom dollar and making sure his authority is not challenged.

 

As for this case I meant that I have no idea of what Goodell will do.  Is there cause for a penalty from the league?  I’d sure think so.  Will anything actually happen?  No idea.

 

Edited April 2, 2021 by BarleyNY

[YoloinOhio]

 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mr. WEO]

3 hours ago, BarleyNY said:

I think you misunderstood me.  My comment alluded to Goodell’s power in such matters and his wide ranging penalties.  I’m not sure of any changes in the most recent CBA, but the previous one gave him near absolute authority in cases like this.  Also I’ve found little rhyme or reason to his penalties except that he always seems to have an eye toward the bottom dollar and making sure his authority is not challenged.

 

As for this case I meant that I have no idea of what Goodell will do.  Is there cause for a penalty from the league?  I’d sure think so.  Will anything actually happen?  No idea.

I think you misunderstood me.  My comment alluded to Goodell’s power in such matters and his wide ranging penalties.  I’m not sure of any changes in the most recent CBA, but the previous one gave him near absolute authority in cases like this.  Also I’ve found little rhyme or reason to his penalties except that he always seems to have an eye toward the bottom dollar and making sure his authority is not challenged.

 

As for this case I meant that I have no idea of what Goodell will do.  Is there cause for a penalty from the league?  I’d sure think so.  Will anything actually happen?  No idea.

 

For a long time,  there has been a long list of specific penalties and corresponding fines suspensions.  The new CBA now has the initial penalty decided by a neutral arbitrator.  Goodell only handles appeals.

 

He’s not spinning the penalty wheel.  

[machine gun kelly]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Agree about the lawyers.

 

Yeah, I think that whole "here are 20 people who had no problems with him" strategy is a mistake, from the courtroom perspective.  I think that most adults have an experience of someone or some company that evidently has perfectly satisfactory interactions with other people, really doing us wrong.  The remodeling company that our neighbors used and recommended that screwed us.  The guy who everyone we know says is such a nice guy, but who took advantage of us.  The ex-spouse who broke our heart and treated us like dirt, but who apparently has a good relationship with their next partner.   We all learn to say "OK, sucks to be me on this one" but we (most adults) don't question or dismiss our own bad experiences because someone else had a good experience.

 

Psychologists have some studies of this and one of the more telling popular accounts is in "Gift of Fear" by Gavin de Becker.  De Becker explains how criminals and abusers actually have a conscious or subconscious pattern of "testing" potential victims for cues that they can be maneuvered into a vulnerable position and taken advantage of.    It can be fairly subtle stuff like reaction to an offer of help, or excessive social physical contact like draping an arm over the shoulder.   

If Watson were seeking women who would give him a particular reaction, then he might "test" with one cue and depending on the reaction to that, he would either escalate or desist. 
 

 

 

 

That is the way I see it. 

 

Assuming the allegations have merit, not just a "happy ending" but a particular reaction (fear, discomfort, shock, whatever) that he got off on. 

 

Because, if Watson just wanted a happy ending, why not just use a discrete professional escort who is in the business of providing sexual services?

Hap, you’re right on predators.  I won’t go far enough to say he was one, but in treating court ordered persons, I observed and saw predators try and manipulate me as a therapist.  That type of person is smart and calculating.  They learn over time how to look for cues to see if they can manipulate.  It’s one of the reasons I hated dealing with court ordered persons.  They weren’t there for the right reasons.

 

I don’t know what’s going on here, but something troubling to me is why so many massage therapists?  That makes zero sense.  I’ve been friends with a couple of professional athletes, and was 100 years ago a top amateur athlete (just a middle aged guy now), and having that many massage therapists is just odd.  Once they find the right person, they don’t deviate to others.  Someone referenced a Barber/hair stylist, and was spot on.  I don’t know about you guys, but once I found a stylist I liked who I didn’t have to say anything, I stuck with her for 15 years.  I finally once moved went to a barber.  The same guy cuts my hair every two weeks and I refuse to go to anyone else.  If we add the twenty in his favor to the 20 or so complaining, doesn’t that create a raised eyebrow?

 

I refuse to make a judgment as none of us know anything other than what is being released, but the more I hear, the more I’m confused and skeptical of both sides.

[QCity]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

"We welcome this long overdue development"  I love how these lawyers try to spin everything as a positive for their side. Yes! We were praying for a criminal investigation!

[YoloinOhio]

 

[machine gun kelly]

The fact that a criminal investigation is not good for him.  The only thing I care about is if he did something wrong to any woman, he needs to be punished.  I don’t care if he was the second coming of Bart Starr.  If he didn’t, then I hope these women are punished as well.  Either way, now that the law is involved, their burden is higher than a civil suit so the truth will eventually come out (I hope).

[wppete]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Multiple criminal investigations in different jurisdictions and 22 civil cases up to 24 accusers....So far that we know of!!!  This guy is done. No way we see him on a football field again. 👮‍♂️

[Warcodered]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

 I know, right?  I can see maybe half a dozen? especially for a pro athlete, if they specialize in different techniques or some work different muscle groups better than others, or to have a "backup plan" if he needs a massage like NOW and the first preference is booked up while the second one has a sick kid. 

 

I've experienced what a great massage can do for some screamingly painful overworked muscle groups and if I were a wealthy pro athlete, I wouldn't want to have to delay that therapy when I need it.  I've also had massages that didn't measure up to that standard.

 

20 different massage therapists?  40 different massage therapists?  For a guy who can get recommendations from teammates and trainers?

 

 

I saw a reply in a tweet that noted that all of these massage therapists are women which I mean maybe that doesn't mean anything but it certainly doesn't help.

3 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

I mean still it's not like he can be sued without them identifying themselves at some point, this feels like a weird thing for them to keep pointing out.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, wppete said:

Multiple criminal investigations in different jurisdictions and 22 civil cases up to 24 accusers....So far that we know of!!!  This guy is done. No way we see him on a football field again. 👮‍♂️

 

I said that about Michael Vick.  And yet....

[SinceThe70s]

23 minutes ago, machine gun kelly said:

The fact that a criminal investigation is not good for him.  The only thing I care about is if he did something wrong to any woman, he needs to be punished.  I don’t care if he was the second coming of Bart Starr.  If he didn’t, then I hope these women are punished as well.  Either way, now that the law is involved, their burden is higher than a civil suit so the truth will eventually come out (I hope).

 

I wonder whether there's cross-over between the criminal case and one or more of the civil cases. If there is, should we expect a barrage of criminal cases?

 

[machine gun kelly]

It’s possible 70’s.