atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Feliciano's a great Guard. But you pay your Right Tackle before you pay a Guard. And you pay your best Linebacker before you pay a Guard. And then you run out of money and the Guard is the odd man out. Sucks - but that's business. I like Feliciano and I want him back. He is a great teammate and a friend of Josh Allen’s, and he is an average guard. He might be a good to great center, but that doesn’t appear to be an option for him in 2021 with the Bills. If he wants to sign a multiple year deal where he plays guard this year and slides over to center in 2022, that works. 2021 cap hit is extremely low and then in 2022 and 2023 it grows while he plays center. Not sure how feasible this is or if Beane and McD agree that Feliciano can be a good to great center. I think they saw what I saw; he is an average guard. I watched Feliciano with rose colored glasses because I like him and his style, but to say he is a great guard is an overvaluation. Edited March 14, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975 2
DCbillsfan Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 Like others have said, Mongo is an average guard. Some games I'd say he's below average. If the Bills are serious about upgrading their running game, part of the solution is upgrading at the Guard position. Re-sign, not resign, Boettger to be a backup guard. Go with Williams, draftee/FA, Morse, Ford, and Dawkins. Hopefully Ford can stay healthy and start showing why Beane drafted him.
Matt_In_NH Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 7 hours ago, SCBills said: What is the reasoning for those who hope we re-sign him? He’s an ok player with positional flexibility. He and Ford would be the weak links on our OL currently. Ford is only a weak link due to being unproven... he was projected to be a stud G out of college - we’ve since played him at RT Year 1 and then he got hurt early playing Guard in Year 2. Feliciano is a weak link because he’s not that good. He’s not bad... but he’s not good either. If we want to have a running game this year, I’d assume Beane wants to upgrade the G positions - especially since LT, RT, C are the same guys. Ford could upgrade one spot... I’m hoping we also try to upgrade the other. Disagree, is he an All-Pro? No he's not but he is a lot better than "not that good", a lot. Ford is relegated to backup with Feliciano and Boettger on the team. But you are right, maybe they can use their cap space to sign a bunch of all pros in the upcoming free agency....they should be able to sign Thuney and Brandon Scherff should be doable, maybe get Mack (or battle it out with Morse) as a backup Center and then draft some good road graters (fresh meat) in the draft.
Matt_In_NH Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 Not sure if they can make it work, but other than Feliciano, who else on the FA list would fans want back? I like McKenzie, Roberts and Marlowe depending on price. Not sure what the interest will be for those guys.
Magox Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 Feliciano is a good team player, he's a bit of a loose cannon on twitter and wears his emotions on his sleeve. I like him, I know he has become TBD's next-in-line whipping boy, but if the Bills could retain him for around $4m-$5m a year they should be all over it. His versatility at center and guard is valuable and even if he didn't become the starter, he would provide very good quality depth at the interior positions. I hope we do get him back. 1
NI Bills Fan Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 6 minutes ago, Magox said: Feliciano is a good team player, he's a bit of a loose cannon on twitter and wears his emotions on his sleeve. I like him, I know he has become TBD's next-in-line whipping boy, but if the Bills could retain him for around $4m-$5m a year they should be all over it. His versatility at center and guard is valuable and even if he didn't become the starter, he would provide very good quality depth at the interior positions. I hope we do get him back. I'd agree with that. Keep him, but keep the cap hit as low as possible for 2021. You could likely get a better guard for just slightly more than $4-5M but what you gain in quality you likely lose in positional flexibility and the continuity/familiarity a returning Feliciano gives this O line. Get him back. 1
BobbyC81 Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: I'd argue it would end up with Ford and Feliciano starting and Boettger backing up if all three were on the team, which at this point looks a lot more doubtful than it did a few days ago. Some in the media have pointed out that the O-line struggled before Feliciano returned, then played a lot better. He’s also considered a good leader and great locker room guy. Intangibles!
LyndonvilleBill Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 35 minutes ago, mattynh said: Not sure if they can make it work, but other than Feliciano, who else on the FA list would fans want back? I like McKenzie, Roberts and Marlowe depending on price. Not sure what the interest will be for those guys. Mckensie, Boroquez, Wallace and Barkley from our own FA's. This would also be my list in order. If Beane can work it out and keep Feliciano and Roberts, I am good with it.. But I also wouldn't be heartbroken if he couldn't.
gjv001 Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 If I'm Beane, I would look to use my remaining salary cap to upgrade my defense. 1
Nihilarian Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 1 hour ago, atlbillsfan1975 said: I like Feliciano and I want him back. He is a great teammate and a friend of Josh Allen’s, and he is an average guard. He might be a good to great center, but that doesn’t appear to be an option for him in 2021. Now if he wants to sign a multiple year deal where he plays guard this year and slides over to center in 2022, that works. 2021 cap hit is extremely low and then in 2022 and 2023 it grows while he plays center. Not sure how feasible this is or if Beane and McD agree that Feliciano can be a good to great center. I think they saw what I saw and that’s that he is an average guard. I watched Feliciano with rose colored glasses because I like him and his style, but to say he is a great guard is an overvaluation. I agree, I like him too. I think he should be back, if for mostly as a backup guard/center...considering that Morse has had so many concussions. Morse worries me because that next concussion might be his last playing in the NFL.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, Nihilarian said: I agree, I like him too. I think he should be back, if for mostly as a backup guard/center...considering that Morse has had so many concussions. Morse worries me because that next concussion might be his last playing in the NFL. I agree with the backup center/starting guard. Love to see a deal like they gave Q. Spain last year with maybe more cap hit in year two and three. Not sure how feasible that is. Edited March 14, 2021 by atlbillsfan1975 1
CSBill Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) I would guess Feliciano's future with the Bills is directly tied to how the Bills fell about Ike Boettger. They're not going to give up on Ford yet. It seems as long as he is healthy he is penciled in at a Guard spot. Morse is locked in at Center. Boettger had a decent run at the end of the season--they have plenty of game tape to evaluate his potential now. Plus, he has also worked at Center. So if they believe he can start at Guard and be a legit option at Center, it feels like Ike is a cheaper but equal option over Feliciano. Jon F. may be the odd man out??? Add to that, super-sub Ryan Bates is always waiting in the wings (is he ready to compete for a starting spot?). And, they resigned Devey for Insurance. .... I really like Feliciano, but the stars are not aligning for him. I hope not, but I would not be surprised. Edited March 14, 2021 by CSBill
RichRiderBills Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) Mongo should not get a big pay day. I predict 5-6 million per year. With a 3 year deal, maybe backload it to have a soft cap hit for 2021. I think fans are giving him a hard time as he was coming off a major injury, and asked to play several positions in 2020. Mongo played poorly in the AFC championship and the Colts game, but otherwise was not as bad as folks say. No, he was not the weak link on the OL during the reg season. I think his play during the title game is clouding some folks judgement. We are forgetting the better games and really good 2019 season where he gained a rep as a tough as nails guy. Dont underestimate the value of a versatile multipositional linemen. Edited March 14, 2021 by RichRiderBills
JMF2006 Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) The Bromannce might be over Edited March 14, 2021 by JMF2006 pic
Doc Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 I’d tell JF to test the market but keep in touch. In the meantime and see if a better guard would come for a reasonable deal.
Big Turk Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 10 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: Feliciano's a great Guard. But you pay your Right Tackle before you pay a Guard. And you pay your best Linebacker before you pay a Guard. And then you run out of money and the Guard is the odd man out. Sucks - but that's business. We didn't run out of money. Beane can easily make room if he felt it was a necessity by restructuring a contract like Dawkins to free up $10 million. Likely we will do that if he finds a guard in FA he wants. The issue is with the cap held down and all the guards on the market, there are 5 or 6 guards better than Mongo who will all be getting around the same contract as Mongo. Why do anything until we see if we can get one of those guards first? 2
JaCrispy Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 I’m fine with this...i think an upgrade is in order...
SCBills Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, mattynh said: Disagree, is he an All-Pro? No he's not but he is a lot better than "not that good", a lot. Ford is relegated to backup with Feliciano and Boettger on the team. But you are right, maybe they can use their cap space to sign a bunch of all pros in the upcoming free agency....they should be able to sign Thuney and Brandon Scherff should be doable, maybe get Mack (or battle it out with Morse) as a backup Center and then draft some good road graters (fresh meat) in the draft. Ford is going to be given every chance to start. Coming out of college, every analyst had him as a potential pro-bowl caliber Guard. We’ve since experimented with him at RT for one year and then he quickly got hurt before we could see what he can do on the interior. 1) Guards aren’t that expensive in FA, if Beane surprises and we go that route. 2) You can get a high level G prospect in the 2nd Round... sometimes 3rd. I’d rather do any of that, than bring back 4/5ths of the same line that couldn’t run block to save their lives. And given the fact neither of our backs has “get to the edge” speed, that run blocking is very much incumbent on the interior of our OL. Of course Beane could shock us and bring in a speed back, but if he doesn’t, we won’t just magically get better at running the ball with the same personnel. Edited March 14, 2021 by SCBills
below Posted March 14, 2021 Posted March 14, 2021 I bet their offer right now is backup/fringe starter money like the deal they signed Spencer Long to a few years ago. Unlike Daryl Williams where we had NO ONE to replace him, we have leverage and are ok at guard (Ford/Boettger) even if we lose him. I'm sure there are other versatile C/G types Beane is eying for plan B if Feliciano leaves. At least he could net us a comp pick next year. Hopefully we get him back!
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