FLFan Posted March 12, 2021 Posted March 12, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:01 PM, BillsMafi$ said: Interesting Expand KC kicking the can. Makes sense. Win now, worry about later at some future time. It will catch up eventually. 1
Back2Buff Posted March 12, 2021 Posted March 12, 2021 Makes zero sense why the Bills are not doing this with their guys. The cap is a joke. If you want to consistently win, do this stuff every year. On 3/12/2021 at 8:23 PM, FLFan said: KC kicking the can. Makes sense. Win now, worry about later at some future time. It will catch up eventually. Expand Teams like the Saints have been doing this forever. It never catches up. The cap will always be going up from here on out. 1
RyanC883 Posted March 12, 2021 Posted March 12, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 8:29 PM, Back2Buff said: Makes zero sense why the Bills are not doing this with their guys. The cap is a joke. If you want to consistently win, do this stuff every year. Teams like the Saints have been doing this forever. It never catches up. The cap will always be going up from here on out. Expand it only seems to "catch up" if you do this with too many players, like the Steelers did a while ago. They would have done it to keep Brown then a few years from now it catches up. But a franchise QB or OL, or elite pass rusher is a no brainer to do this with, IMO.
aristocrat Posted March 12, 2021 Posted March 12, 2021 We should be doing this with Tre and others so we can grab a guy or two
mjt328 Posted March 12, 2021 Posted March 12, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:03 PM, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... Expand The vast majority of NFL contracts are backloaded with non-guaranteed money. That way players can boast about landing a 5 year $50 million contract... when in reality they have signed a 3 year $22 million contract, with a team option to cut them before Year 4 without much penalty. Most restructures are basically pushing guaranteed dollars to the back-end of the contract (which was originally setup as bloated fluff). In other words, the team reduces its ability to cut the player. The player gets more guaranteed money. The cap hit for the present year is decreased. As time goes along, the ability to push money down the road becomes more and more difficult. The most obvious example right now is the Saints. They have used these techniques for years. They have also remained competitive for a long-time, mostly because of excellent drafting. But now they are being forced to cut virtually the entire team. The Eagle and Rams are also very guilty of this. Brandon Beane is exceptional at getting free agents with basically 1-2 year contracts (see John Brown, Quinton Jefferson, Mario Addison, etc.), allowing him a ton of flexibility to play around with the cap without these major restructures. Maybe he will change that strategy as our Super Bowl window begins to close, but right now it's a great plan for remaining competitive for many years down the road. 2
mjt328 Posted March 12, 2021 Posted March 12, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 8:29 PM, Back2Buff said: Makes zero sense why the Bills are not doing this with their guys. The cap is a joke. If you want to consistently win, do this stuff every year. Teams like the Saints have been doing this forever. It never catches up. The cap will always be going up from here on out. Expand Not true. It does catch up eventually. Even without the cap decrease, the Saints would have been in deep trouble this offseason. Just like how the Rams keep trading away future draft picks, so they can take advantage of today's Super Bowl window. Right now the team looks stacked. But as the years go along, they will basically be depending on late rounders and UDFAs to restock the aging talent. 1
billsfan89 Posted March 12, 2021 Posted March 12, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:03 PM, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... Expand It is basically a game of increasing dead money down the line to open cap space now. 1
Max Fischer Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:06 PM, Don Otreply said: Fear is a mighty motivator... Expand Mahoney’s isn’t losing a dime on his contract.
klos63 Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:03 PM, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... Expand Gotta think that in negotiations with these mega deals, that restructure is part of the plan in a couple years. The player and agent are expecting it.
Augie Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:05 PM, nucci said: I don't think he's sacrificing any money Expand Well, that didn’t take long! He won’t sacrifice any money in the end, and it sounds like he doesn’t want to sacrifice his life and well-being playing behind a crappy OLine. Gotta be able to pay the guys around you! That’s the biggest issue with the league these days. Once you pay the QB the rest of the team suffers as a result. It’s a pretty tricky balancing act. I pray Josh and Beane find the right formula.
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:07 PM, njbuff said: Up front money anyways. Expand he’s in fact accelerating how quickly he’s getting all the same dollars. You’ve missed the mark completely here.
njbuff Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 1:56 AM, NoSaint said: he’s in fact accelerating how quickly he’s getting all the same dollars. You’ve missed the mark completely here. Expand I admit, I am no capologist. 😂
NoSaint Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 8:58 PM, mjt328 said: Not true. It does catch up eventually. Even without the cap decrease, the Saints would have been in deep trouble this offseason. Just like how the Rams keep trading away future draft picks, so they can take advantage of today's Super Bowl window. Right now the team looks stacked. But as the years go along, they will basically be depending on late rounders and UDFAs to restock the aging talent. Expand Checking the timeline it appears the Saints kicked the can straight into the year they are losing a hall of fame qb. Seems to me it’s a pretty excellent strategy to win now and rebuild when you don’t have a shot anyway. Pointing at them misses the point On 3/13/2021 at 2:01 AM, njbuff said: I admit, I am no capologist. 😂 Expand Happens to the best of us sometimes! 1
njbuff Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 2:01 AM, NoSaint said: Checking the timeline it appears the Saints kicked the can straight into the year they are losing a hall of fame qb. Seems to me it’s a pretty excellent strategy to win now and rebuild when you don’t have a shot anyway. Pointing at them misses the point Happens to the best of us sometimes! Expand Whatever you think of me and posts........ point is.................... hopefully the Chiefs are weaker at the end of the day. 😀
Don Otreply Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 1:27 AM, Max Fischer said: Mahoney’s isn’t losing a dime on his contract. Expand That has nothing to do with the point being made 👍
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/13/2021 at 1:33 AM, klos63 said: Gotta think that in negotiations with these mega deals, that restructure is part of the plan in a couple years. The player and agent are expecting it. Expand Yeah, but with how much the cap is going to go up over the next few years they may not even need to...some are expecting it to go up almost $120 million in the next 5 years which is insane!
Saxum Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 Hate the term "restructure" - it applies it is neutral. It is getting paid for work he has not done yet with free interest. Almost bad as IRS which gets interest free loans all the time while the government is eliminating the incentive to save.
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 On 3/12/2021 at 7:03 PM, Big Turk said: It really is amazing how easy it is for most teams to basically manipulate numbers on paper to open up huge cap dollars... Expand They pay down the road. Believe that. And pay more after a restructure
GunnerBill Posted March 13, 2021 Posted March 13, 2021 The cap is an accounting cap, not a spending cap.
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