1ManRaid Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 Ah, the classic "I know a guy, don't ask about it" anonymous source. Well my uncle who works at Nintendo says your friend is full of crap. 3
BarleyNY Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: No reason to think this. He could very easily be here for another year or two. His new money does become a lot more reasonable so it will depend on his play. He is 31 now so I’m not expecting his play to improve. Ofc maybe the year off will help him. You never know. Edited March 11, 2021 by BarleyNY
Doc Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Spotrac says $15M in cap space.. OvertheCaps says $19M. OvertheCap has left a bunch of players, including Jefferson, off their dead cap reckoning. So it's somewhere around $15 to $17M. Both have accounted for all the moves made in the past couple of days with the exception of Butler's pay cut, because they haven't announced how much it is yet. Spotrac hasn't taken Morse's ~$3M cap reduction into account, nor Smith's retirement, nor Butler's reduction. I figure that's another $7M in cap space. 1
BarleyNY Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, TPS said: Wouldn't it move $5.2 mil? He's signed until 2023, so the bonus money from 2022 and 23 ($2.6 mil each year) would be moved to next year. That's my understanding of how the June 1 cut works, but I'm not certain....? I’m going by the Spotrac link. If you click the red x at the right under the season in question it shows the possible cut and trade financials. 1
Thurman#1 Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 52 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said: Everything I've read says it would be a negative cap hit. They'd owe more money than they'd save. Unless Star has a agreed to give a big chunk of the bonus money back, but that very rarely ever happens. Likely if he tried the union would be all over him for setting a bad president. It's impossible to give money back from bonus. They already borrowed it from future years. It's part of the cap. You can give back future money of course, but not past money. Edited March 11, 2021 by Thurman#1 1
T master Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 He did restructure last year then opted out so his salary was moved to this yr and i just read on Rumblings that his salary is fully guaranteed for this year so as others have said it would be more costly to cut him than it would be to keep him for 1 more season .
Thurman#1 Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 3 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: His new money does become a lot more reasonable so it will depend on his play. He is 31 now so I’m not expect his play to improve. Ofc maybe the year off will help him. Yeah, exactly, it'll depend on his play. Cutting him before the 2022 season would only save them $1.5M. Before the 2023 season about $3.7M.
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Spotrac hasn't taken Morse's ~$3M cap reduction into account, nor Smith's retirement, nor Butler's reduction. I figure that's another $7M in cap space. Lee Smith hasn’t retired?
Doc Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Lee Smith hasn’t retired? Sorry yes, he hasn't yet so it wouldn't come off Spotrac. Just saying that's an additional $2.25M the Bills will get back. 1
Peace Frog Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, yall said: Good friend of mine with pretty accurate sources tells me he has reason to believe Star Lotulelei is gonna get cut. Based on what he shared with me, seems very possible. From a cap perspective, does it make sense? I didn't get the feeling he was a likely candidate for release. Was this info from a source, deep inside the organization? Asking for a friend. 1
Ethan in Cleveland Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 22 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: A post 6/1/21 release would only move $2.6M dead cap to 2022. The Bills would still have a worse hit this season than if they kept him. Unless they can trade him or get him to agree to take less for an immediate release, he’s gonna be on the team this season. I don’t see either happening so he will be here this year. That should be it though. Trade or cut has the same effect on the cap
BuffaloFan68 Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 I’m looking forward to having Star back in uniform as I am sure our RBs are too. Lets Go Buffalo!!!!!
Doc Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 Star has $4.5M of his salary guaranteed this year. He's not getting cut. 1
Thurman#1 Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Doc said: Spotrac hasn't taken Morse's ~$3M cap reduction into account, nor Smith's retirement, nor Butler's reduction. I figure that's another $7M in cap space. Smith hasn't retired yet. He may. They say he's leaning that way. But until he does, of course they won't take that into account. It's still on the cap. As I said, with Butler's reduction, we don't know how much it is, so yes. (EDIT: Ah, I see I hadn't completed the post when you posted, my bad. Ah, but I see you're right on Mitch Morse. Thanks for correcting me there. However, having said, that, if you're counting future stuff like Lee Smith, we'll have to sign our draft class, Corey Bojorquez or a replacement, Matt Barkley or a replacement, Andre Roberts or a replacement, TJ Yeldon or a replacement, Levi Wallace And E.J. Gaines or replacement CBs, Dean Marlowe or a replacement, Feliciano or a replacement, Boettger or a replacement, McKenzie or a replacement, Taiwan Jones or a replacement and Isaiah McKenzie or a replacement. None of these guys count now against the cap, and a bunch of them will be on the team. Not to mention Matt Milano or a replacement and Daryl Williams or a replacement. Lots of dominoes still to fall. It'll be interesting. Edited March 11, 2021 by Thurman#1
Doc Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Smith hasn't retired yet. He may. They say he's leaning that way. But until he does, of course they won't take that into account. It's still on the cap. As I said, with Butler's reduction, we don't know how much it is, so yes. (EDIT: Ah, I see I hadn't completed the post when you posted, my bad. Ah, but I see you're right on Mitch Morse. Thanks for correcting me there. However, having said, that, we'll have to sign our draft class, Corey Bojorquez or a replacement, Matt Barkley or a replacement, Andre Roberts or a replacement, TJ Yeldon or a replacement, Levi Wallace And E.J. Gaines or replacement CBs, Dean Marlowe or a replacement, Feliciano or a replacement, Boettger or a replacement, McKenzie or a replacement, Taiwan Jones or a replacement and Isaiah McKenzie or a replacement. None of these guys count now against the cap, and a bunch of them will be on the team. Not to mention Matt Milano or a replacement and Daryl Williams or a replacement. Yup. After the rookies, I expect them to have $16M in cap space, barring a reduction in Addison's salary, or an outright release and any existing restructures (Tre, Dion, etc.). They'll need about $6M to tag Wallace and Boettger (not sure what they'll do with Bojo because tagging him costs them $2.133M at least). I don't see them replacing Barkley or Roberts and instead rolling with Fromm and an existing player for returns. The rest can be league min re-signs outside of Milano (who likely walks) and Williams (no idea what happens there).
whatdrought Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 They could do a injury settlement type of situation, maybe? I don’t know how that would work... 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: Yeah, it would cost 4 million more in cap space to cut him. This is a case where of he wanted to retire or something, the Bills would want to ask him to go along with a fake injury all season. Pretty brutal contract. They already restructured him last year, which is why they are in the mess they're in now. You wouldn’t even have to fake the injury, you can just put him on the PUP or the NFI and essentially say he isn’t fit enough to play- which is likely if he wants out.
Andrew Son Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 I'm looking forward to seeing Star this year. Sometimes a year off can really help- especially for big guys. Should have fresh legs. I know Incognito said it really helped him.
Big Turk Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Boxcar said: Yeah, it would cost 4 million more in cap space to cut him. This is a case where of he wanted to retire or something, the Bills would want to ask him to go along with a fake injury all season. Pretty brutal contract. They already restructured him last year, which is why they are in the mess they're in now. They really aren't in a mess. They have lots of other things they can do to easily free up another $20+ million in cap space that doesn't involve cutting anyone via some simple restructures if they feel the need to. As it is now they have close to $20 million in cap space...hardly a mess. 1
BarleyNY Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 40 minutes ago, Ethan in Portland said: Trade or cut has the same effect on the cap Not when there is guaranteed future money involved, as is the case with Star’s contract. He has some guaranteed salary this season. Edited March 11, 2021 by BarleyNY
IgotBILLStopay Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 His cap hit is 7.6 mill and deadcap is 11.8 mill and 2021 cash is 5 mill (4.5 guaranteed). He is also guaranteed 2.5 mill in 2022. If he chooses to walk away, he will be leaving 7.0 mill on the table. So cap hit if he walks away will be 4.8 mill (11.8 - 7) and Bills will save 2.8 mill (7.6-4.8) against the cap. Did I get the math right?
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