Reed83HOF Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, H2o said: Nah, I don't think so. It has the cap set at $182.5M and the adjusted cap set at $188M which would be right if you add our rollover. I think we literally have a little more than $15M right now in cap room. Brown, Jefferson and Butler gives us $14 million alone. I saw on Twitter it is about $25 million under. Let me see if I can find it again... Edit: Lee Smith already said he was retiring so that adds $2.25 to the $18, so we are at around $20.25M plus whatever Butlers reduction is. I will assume some more moves or restructures will becoming as well. Edited March 11, 2021 by Reed83HOF 1
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: Brown, Jefferson and Butler gives us $14 million alone. I saw on Twitter it is about $25 million under. Let me see if I can find it again... I don’t know if sportrac counted the Morse/Butler restructures. That won’t put it at 25, might be close to 19 though 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 13 minutes ago, H2o said: The more I look at how Beane is managing things I'm starting to think we'll be drafting OL twice in the first 3 rounds and expecting them to see heavy playing time. We can create a little more cap with a couple of releases here or there, but we still need $6-$7M just to sign our draft picks. We are picking low, not sure how much the rookies will actually add to the top 51 which the cap is based on. It's weird to be in this situation this year drafting so late and not having the rookies count much against the cap 5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I don’t know if sportrac counted the Morse/Butler restructures. That won’t put it at 25, might be close to 19 though Twitter from Joe B, Parrino, Sal C all seem to be accounting for Morse, no one seems to have the Butler savings from what I have seen so far. Lee Smith retiring (he said it himself) will at 2.25 to the 18m we were already at... At least that's what it seems everyone is relying on. Our carry over was only 3.8m and we were hoping for 5.5ish
costrovs Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 https://overthecap.com/draft/ this shows how much money each team will need for the draft. it currently has us at just under $5.4M
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: I don’t know if sportrac counted the Morse/Butler restructures. That won’t put it at 25, might be close to 19 though They didn't. It's around $18 million without Butler restructure or Lee Smith savings. So with Lee Smith it's around $20 million. Butler must be at least $2 million savings. So $22-23 million is a closer number. 1
Reed83HOF Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, costrovs said: https://overthecap.com/draft/ this shows how much money each team will need for the draft. it currently has us at just under $5.4M OTC has us at $19.5 under and Butler still is not known and Lee Smith's 2.25 us still there. So 21.5 plus Butler's restructure 1
purple haze Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 43 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: He said don't expect a Diggs like move. But they tried signing Watt. I think we can forget a big $15+ million deal for anyone, but there will be some big names available below that #. Curtis Samuel. I've got a feeling... He can play slot, boundary, can line up as a RB too. Would be their fastest guy on offense who can stretch the field and run varied routes. 24 or 25 years old. Don't think he's costing more than 10 or so. Because of his versatility, speed and age (he can grow with Diggs and Allen). He fits what they want and need athletically. I think this is one of the guys they go after. 3
Reed83HOF Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, purple haze said: Curtis Samuel. I've got a feeling... He can play slot, boundary, can line up as a RB too. Would be their fastest guy on offense who can stretch the field and run varied routes. 24 or 25 years old. Don't think he's costing more than 10 or so. Because of his versatility, speed and age (he can grow with Diggs and Allen). He fits what they want and need athletically. I think this is one of the guys they go after. Yup. He is my hunch too. He fills the Brown and Mckenzie roles 1
Jeff1954 Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 And gives us a speed running back. Great idea if the price is right.
Aussie Joe Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, purple haze said: Curtis Samuel. I've got a feeling... He can play slot, boundary, can line up as a RB too. Would be their fastest guy on offense who can stretch the field and run varied routes. 24 or 25 years old. Don't think he's costing more than 10 or so. Because of his versatility, speed and age (he can grow with Diggs and Allen). He fits what they want and need athletically. I think this is one of the guys they go after. l will be gobsmacked if they spend $10Mil on a WR this free agency period... Draft or Bargain Basement $2-3M guy looking to play in a WR friendly offense on a 1 year deal is I suspect where they head.. Edited March 11, 2021 by Aussie Joe
Don Otreply Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 I think that Beane wants the Bills to a perennial contender, and has only little interest in the flash in the pan concepts, it’s not that he won’t do a Diggs type of deal every so often, but he is very pragmatic in his approach to running a football team, which is a very good thing for Buffalo, jmo. 1
purple haze Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: l will be gobsmacked if they spend $10Mil on a WR this free agency period... Draft or Bargain Basement $2-3M guy looking to play in a WR friendly offense on a 1 year deal is I suspect where they head.. Beane talked about needing to get faster. They let Brown go. He was their fasted on offense. I would be shocked if they spent 10 mil on a traditional WR; for example if they went after Fuller or Golladay or Davis, etc. Samuel is not that player. He brings the speed and athleticism the Bills want. He's younger than Smoke so it's more of an investment and he is a versatile player, which also fits what the Bills like in their players. He can line up at multiple spots as a WR and he can also be given legit carries from the backfield. He's a playmaker/chess piece more than a WR. Think of him like that. He's the type of player that helps you beat KC. Edited March 11, 2021 by purple haze 1
Malazan Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 I've said all along what separates good gms from bad ones is their ability to create flexibility so they can move on from their mistakes as the very best GMs make a ton of mistakes. Beane's rarely been in a position where the Bills have to keep a player because cutting them is too expensive. There may be a value prop that keeps them on the roster, but their hand is not forced. Look at teams like the Jets who had to eat a ton of dead cap just to get Trumaine Johnson off the team. Look at the defensive line, the Bills brought in quick, penetrating players and it backfired. The league changed how they call holding which disproportionately affects these type of players and Star's covid opt out caused them a lot of problems. Now the salary cap drop which pre-covid no one could have predicted and Beane has given himself enough flexibility to maneuver. That's how you can compete year after year. 2
Aussie Joe Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 Just now, purple haze said: Beane talked about needing to get faster. They let Brown go. He was their fasted on offense. I would be shocked if they spent 10 mil on a traditional WR; for example if they went after Fuller or Golladay or Davis, etc. Samuel is not that player. He brings the speed and athleticism the Bills want. He's younger than Smoke so it's more of an investment and he is a versatile player, which also fits what the Bills like in their players. He can line up at multiple spots as a WR and he can also be given legit carries from the backfield. He's a playmaker/chess piece more than a WR. Not saying I dont see the value in the player, but I dont see it this offseason.. Unless they want to get lucky and fill all their holes in the draft...but I dont think thats Beane's style Time will tell and I have been wrong plenty of times before though
purple haze Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: He also played for Carolina so it’s being considered.... They would have intel on him for sure. 6 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Not saying I dont see the value in the player, but I dont see it this offseason.. Unless they want to get lucky and fill all their holes in the draft...but I dont think thats Beane's style Time will tell and I have been wrong plenty of times before though I get where you're coming from. I think the fact Beane was in on Watt tells us he will go hunting for the right piece. To me, you go all in on surrounding Josh Allen. The D might be the focus at top of the draft. It's all a matter of what Beane sees as the right piece. Is the more impactful piece on Offense or Defense as compared to what might be available at their draft positions. I could see Samuel and one of these OG's that have been released as opposed to Mongo being re-signed. Beane is looking to upgrade, not just plug in. If Mongo wants 8 per year, for instance, maybe Beane would rather take that 8 million add a couple more and pay Joe Thuney. The Super Bowl window is open. There's a reason guys are getting let go and some of their own haven't been re-signed yet. Edited March 11, 2021 by purple haze
CNYfan Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 Everyone is saying that Curtis Samuel is headed to Jacksonville. Tons of cap room and reportedly want Samuel for Lawrence. They love the idea of he and Shanault in the same offense
purple haze Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: Yes. I honestly hate the idea of having Davis just take over Browns spot..... you upgrade the offense instantly with Samuel. I think Davis is going to be very good for them. And I wouldn't be upset if they rolled with him. But the tea leaves don't support that thinking. You get Samuel, run 4 wide, or 3 wide and put Samuel at RB for some plays. Bease is out in a year or two. Once he goes, put Samuel there and then Davis can take over the 2 spot. However, it's done, I think we see the Bills add a playmaker or two to that offense in the next week. Edited March 11, 2021 by purple haze
billsfan89 Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, H2o said: The more I look at how Beane is managing things I'm starting to think we'll be drafting OL twice in the first 3 rounds and expecting them to see heavy playing time. We can create a little more cap with a couple of releases here or there, but we still need $6-$7M just to sign our draft picks. I think drafting two rookie O-line even high up to start is foolish in this day in age. You have a stud young QB in a win now window. Why rely on two rookies to play heavy snaps on an O-line? Rookie play on the O-line isn't plug and play as it used to be. 15 years ago you could draft a RT and a Guard in the first two rounds and reasonably expect production. Now first round talents are lucky to be impact contributors. You draft one fine, that's the cap and there is a certain level of risk you can take but don't let D.Williams walk and think a rookie is plug and play. That would be very foolish on McBeane's part.
purple haze Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, ScottLaw said: I hope that’s the line of thinking... something tells me defense is the priority as it always seems to be and they use a day 2 or 3 draft pick on a developmental WR and that’s about it for the skills position this offseason. I’d be slightly disappointed in that plan but I think the priority is dominate pass rusher. I don't know that a dominant pass rusher is available. There are several good ones. I don't think Beane will overpay for one of them. They went and got Diggs for Allen. They tried to get Olsen before he signed with the Seahawks. And after seeing KC up close twice, I think Offense will be the big signing. Because even great defense is ultimately outmatched by KC more often than not. The Bills need to score to beat KC. Diggs can score from anywhere on the field. They just let Smoke go; McKenzie hasn't been re-signed. So who else fits that description in terms of speed? They don't have it. They can't sit tight l on O. It's why folks getting mad about suggestions of Etienne at 30 doesn't make sense. The Bills NEED playmakers/chess pieces that have sudden scoring syndrome. They are at the next level right now and the next level from there goes through a team that has many sudden scoring syndrome players. Edited March 11, 2021 by purple haze
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 11, 2021 Posted March 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, purple haze said: I think Davis is going to be very good for them. And I wouldn't be upset if they rolled with him. But the tea leaves don't support that thinking. You get Samuel, run 4 wide, or 3 wide and put Samuel at RB for some plays. Bease is out in a year or two. Once he goes, put Samuel there and then Davis can take over the 2 spot. However, it's done, I think we see the Bills add a playmaker or two to that offense in the next week. DL, OL, CB.
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