JGMcD2 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 If I am reading this tweet from Albert Breer correctly, these are the values for the 5th year options on Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds for 2022. Both players will receive the value under “Transition Players” Meaning the 5th year option on Josh will be $23,016,000 and the 5th year option on Tremaine will be $12,716,000.
Gregthekeg Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Might as well sign Josh to a long term deal then 1
BuffaloRebound Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Josh no brainer. Even if I liked Edmunds more, no way I’m committing that to him now. The franchise # isn’t much different and I can delay that decision another year.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Gregthekeg said: Might as well sign Josh to a long term deal then Doesn't matter when they sign him. I still say wait a season. Why in the world would the Bills or Browns sign Allen and Mayfield to top 3 QB contracts right now. Especially when players like Wentz and Goff were just traded. We're talking a lot of money. More money than Tom Brady ever received. There is no rush. Edited March 10, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede
Jobot Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 ...what a joke of a process that was created! You're telling me that monetary and CAP decisions have an aspect that hinge on getting voted into the pro bowl by the press and fans?? 4
YoloinOhio Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Jobot said: ...what a joke of a process that was created! You're telling me that monetary and CAP decisions have an aspect that hinge on getting voted into the pro bowl by the press and fans?? The pro bowl is voted on by coaches, players, and fans. Each represent 1/3.
CincyBillsFan Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Doesn't matter when they sign him. I still say wait a season. Why in the world would the Bills or Browns sign Allen and Mayfield to top 3 QB contracts right now. Especially when players like Wentz and Goff were just traded. We're talking a lot of money. More money than Tom Brady ever received. There is no rush. IMO the reason to sign Allen now is to avoid trouble in the future and get the best possible deal. Since we're all ignorant of what Allen thinks about the process I'm just spitballing here but if Jackson & Mayfield get extended by their teams and Allen doesn't do the Bills create the seeds of discontent and make future negotiations more difficult? I get the Wentz/Goff concerns but honestly Bean has to ignore them. Signing Allen to the best possible long term deal for him and the team will need an imaginative & aggressive approach by Bean. My sense is that once free agency wraps up this will get managements full attention. I don't get the wait until later position on Allen. 1
JGMcD2 Posted March 10, 2021 Author Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Jobot said: ...what a joke of a process that was created! You're telling me that monetary and CAP decisions have an aspect that hinge on getting voted into the pro bowl by the press and fans?? No... Pro Bowl is coaches, players and fans... Teams have contract incentives (which are monetary and cap related) for MVP and All-Pro and such... which is voted on by the press. Incentives for Pro-Bowl too... any better way to do it? Edited March 10, 2021 by JGMcD2
CorkScrewHill Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 18 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Doesn't matter when they sign him. I still say wait a season. Why in the world would the Bills or Browns sign Allen and Mayfield to top 3 QB contracts right now. Especially when players like Wentz and Goff were just traded. We're talking a lot of money. More money than Tom Brady ever received. There is no rush. There is a reason Jerry signed Dak to that contract .. he knows the TV deals will be massive and what he is paying Dak (a lesser talent than Josh) will not seem outlandish in 2 years. If Josh becomes a bust we are hitting reset anyway so one massive cap hit to get rid of him won't matter. However, since he is such a competitor I do hope that he understands a big reason (besides the fact that he is the goat) that Tom went to and won so many Super Bowls is he left cap room for other players by not being the top paid guy. 2 1 1
Jobot Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said: No... Pro Bowl is coaches, players and fans... Teams have contract incentives (which are monetary and cap related) for MVP and All-Pro and such... which is voted on by the press. Incentives for Pro-Bowl too... any better way to do it? That's better.. but players and fans votes should be ignored in the equation. 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 13 minutes ago, CorkScrewHill said: There is a reason Jerry signed Dak to that contract .. he knows the TV deals will be massive and what he is paying Dak (a lesser talent than Josh) will not seem outlandish in 2 years. If Josh becomes a bust we are hitting reset anyway so one massive cap hit to get rid of him won't matter. However, since he is such a competitor I do hope that he understands a big reason (besides the fact that he is the goat) that Tom went to and won so many Super Bowls is he left cap room for other players by not being the top paid guy. Dak was an unrestricted free agent. A franchise tag would've cost like 17m more towards the cap this year. Jerry knew tv contracts were coming last year. Josh is not getting more than Mahomes unless he wins a Super Bowl. In that case he deserves it. QB's are signing deals based on the cap going up already. The Bills lose absolutely nothing by waiting. Josh is under contract for 2 years. If we're talking about signing him as the 10th best QB we should hurry up and get it done. Right now he's projected to be the 2nd highest paid QB in the NFL. There is no rush to get that deal done. Mahomes actually made sense to get done because the Chiefs knew he was #1. If someone signed to a crazy contract before Mahomes then the Chiefs would have to beat it. Josh's market is set. Edited March 10, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said: If I am reading this tweet from Albert Breer correctly, these are the values for the 5th year options on Josh Allen and Tremaine Edmunds for 2022. Both players will receive the value under “Transition Players” Meaning the 5th year option on Josh will be $23,016,000 and the 5th year option on Tremaine will be $12,716,000. Probably dumb question: Does that full value count against this year's cap as soon as exercised since it's fully guaranteed, or does it go against next year's cap?
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Probably dumb question: Does that full value count against this year's cap as soon as exercised since it's fully guaranteed, or does it go against next year's cap? Next year. But if they agree to a contract it can change that number. Edit - my mistake. 5th year option is non-negotiable. So if picked up that's his cap hit year 5. Edited March 10, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede 1
warrior9 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Dak was an unrestricted free agent. A franchise tag would've cost like 17m more towards the cap this year. Jerry knew tv contracts were coming last year. Josh is not getting more than Mahomes unless he wins a Super Bowl. In that case he deserves it. QB's are signing deals based on the cap going up already. The Bills lose absolutely nothing by waiting. Josh is under contract for 2 years. They lose a lot more money if Josh goes out and wins an MVP/ SB.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 27 minutes ago, CincyBillsFan said: IMO the reason to sign Allen now is to avoid trouble in the future and get the best possible deal. Since we're all ignorant of what Allen thinks about the process I'm just spitballing here but if Jackson & Mayfield get extended by their teams and Allen doesn't do the Bills create the seeds of discontent and make future negotiations more difficult? I get the Wentz/Goff concerns but honestly Bean has to ignore them. Signing Allen to the best possible long term deal for him and the team will need an imaginative & aggressive approach by Bean. My sense is that once free agency wraps up this will get managements full attention. I don't get the wait until later position on Allen. In his appearance on Chris Collinsworth's podcast, Collinsworth essentially tried to set Beane up and bait him (in my opinion). He talked about how beloved and popular Josh Allen has become in Buffalo with all the money donated to Oshei Children's hospital and then asked if that presented a problem to Beane in considering how to handle his contract since we've seen two QBs who had success and were re-signed early in Wentz and Goff whose teams just moved on. Beane just sidestepped the whole thing. Said "I do believe in Josh, but we're gonna focus on free agency and then the draft and then we'll look at what we can do". 1
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, warrior9 said: They lose a lot more money if Josh goes out and wins an MVP/ SB. Trust me, that's called a good problem. If Allen wins a Super Bowl next year then who would argue who the best QB in football is? He'll deserve that contract. Also I don't think he would even get that much more than Mahomes if it happened. Edited March 10, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede
warrior9 Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 10 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Trust me, that's called a good problem. If Allen wins a Super Bowl next year then who would argue who the best QB in football is? He'll deserve that contract. Also I don't think he would even get that much more than Mahomes if it happened. I don't think I have to "trust you" to know it's a good problem to have a QB that won a SB/MVP. I think you're under estimating how much that would blow his price up. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Had Edmunds been kept at OLB that $15M option # might look like a bargain and be incentive for Edmunds to sign a long term extension as the teams primary pass rusher. If he weren't then he would be viewed as nothing less than a likely bust by this point. You gotta' be an absolute top of the league BEAST to be worth that kind of money at MLB.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 10, 2021 Posted March 10, 2021 Just now, warrior9 said: I don't think I have to "trust you" to know it's a good problem to have a QB that won a SB/MVP. I think you're under estimating how much that would blow his price up. Tell me how much? Right now we're talking 2-3 million per year difference between Mahomes and Allen. Mahomes has an MVP and a Super Bowl.
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