Tiberius Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 2 hours ago, Doc said: Moron. Just another attempt to deflect from people's behavior and make it seem like they have no control. Everyone that diets loses weight? really?
B-Man Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, Tiberius said: Everyone that diets loses weight? really? NO ONE said that Really. .
BuffaninSarasota Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Everyone that diets loses weight? really? Blaming obesity on genetics ..... really ? Many factors influence body weight-genes, though the effect is small, and heredity is not destiny; prenatal and early life influences; poor diets; too much television watching; too little physical activity and sleep; and our food and physical activity environment. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-causes/ 1
Tiberius Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 1 minute ago, B-Man said: NO ONE said that Really. . Cute But she is right, some people just are going to be fat. Maybe they lose it for awhile but not long term 1 minute ago, BuffaninSarasota said: Blaming obesity on genetics ..... really ? Many factors influence body weight-genes, though the effect is small, and heredity is not destiny; prenatal and early life influences; poor diets; too much television watching; too little physical activity and sleep; and our food and physical activity environment. https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity-prevention-source/obesity-causes/ She asked, if you diet you lose weight. Not true. Even the source sites undercuts the argument, it points to prenatal and early life influences. Dieting isn't reversing that. And I'm not fat, I just am a work out nut and know people that just can'y lose wight and I know they try
BuffaninSarasota Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 16 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Cute But she is right, some people just are going to be fat. Maybe they lose it for awhile but not long term She asked, if you diet you lose weight. Not true. Even the source sites undercuts the argument, it points to prenatal and early life influences. Dieting isn't reversing that. And I'm not fat, I just am a work out nut and know people that just can'y lose wight and I know they try I was referring to whomever it was that Lesley Stahl was interviewing, who claimed that genetics are the main reason for obesity. This fallacy was rebutted by the Harvard School of Public Health article I cited. Generally speaking, most people would agree diet & exercise can promote weight loss (...although not in all cases).
Tiberius Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 3 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: I was referring to whomever it was that Lesley Stahl was interviewing, who claimed that genetics are the main reason for obesity. This fallacy was rebutted by the Harvard School of Public Health article I cited. Generally speaking, most people would agree diet & exercise can promote weight loss (...although not in all cases). That sounds crazy to me that genetics are not the main cause. But yes, people that don't do anything to care for themselves can up fat, yes. Still, I wonder if Tage Thompson tried to get fat, he might not even be able to. And I know people like that also. If that women's message stops people from even trying, that's not good. but some people need to understand that not matter what they do they will be big. Still, the right food and exercise are important to feel good and be your best
BuffaninSarasota Posted January 25, 2023 Posted January 25, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: That sounds crazy to me that genetics are not the main cause. But yes, people that don't do anything to care for themselves can up fat, yes. Still, I wonder if Tage Thompson tried to get fat, he might not even be able to. And I know people like that also. If that women's message stops people from even trying, that's not good. but some people need to understand that not matter what they do they will be big. Still, the right food and exercise are important to feel good and be your best I agree, the bolded comment is exactly my takeaway as well. Americans definitely don't need an easy, ready-made excuse to not exercise & eat right
Doc Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 58 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Everyone that diets loses weight? really? Weight gain or loss is a matter of calories ingested versus calories burned. To say it's all because of genetics and you can't do anything about it is disingenuous if not dangerous.
Tiberius Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 20 minutes ago, BuffaninSarasota said: I agree, the bolded comment is exactly my takeaway as well. Americans definitely don't need an easy, ready-made excuse to not exercise & eat right So the video we saw was clipped and was not in correct sequence Here is full video https://www.cbsnews.com/news/weight-loss-obesity-drug-2023-01-01/
Tiberius Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 6 minutes ago, Doc said: Weight gain or loss is a matter of calories ingested versus calories burned. To say it's all because of genetics and you can't do anything about it is disingenuous if not dangerous. No, I just don't agree. There are thick people and thin people. Sure, we can all do our best but some people just are thin and some get fat eating a eating like a mouse. Its only humanly possible to starve yourself so far
Doc Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 13 hours ago, Tiberius said: No, I just don't agree. There are thick people and thin people. Sure, we can all do our best but some people just are thin and some get fat eating a eating like a mouse. Its only humanly possible to starve yourself so far It doesn't matter if you agree or not. It's impossible to add weight without ingesting more calories than burned, unless you have a medical condition that causes you to retain water and that's a different matter. That's not to say it's easy but it can be done. Trying to say "well, you have no control over it" is a terrible message.
Tiberius Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 9 minutes ago, Doc said: It doesn't matter if you agree or not. It's impossible to add weight without ingesting more calories than burned, unless you have a medical condition that causes you to retain water and that's a different matter. That's not to say it's easy but it can be done. Trying to say "well, you have no control over it" is a terrible message. Some bodies soak up calories much faster than others. Genetics is destiny! But eating right and exercise can mitigate some of that
Doc Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 2 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Some bodies soak up calories much faster than others. Genetics is destiny! But eating right and exercise can mitigate some of that It can mitigate all of it. It's extremely hard but it can be done. But no one is saying everyone needs to look like a fitness model. Just not be class II obese (BMI 35) or higher. 1
Tiberius Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 1 minute ago, Doc said: It can mitigate all of it. It's extremely hard but it can be done. But no one is saying everyone needs to look like a fitness model. Just not be class II obese (BMI 35) or higher. Oh no no no! That BMI is bull. If you lift weights that thing will label you as obese. It's bull **it. I have a moderate level of fat, but since I have lifted weights since forever I have some muscle on me so it says I'm fat. So let's stay away from the BMI 1
B-Man Posted January 26, 2023 Posted January 26, 2023 For Lord's sake, back to the thread. JIM GERAGHTY: The Stray Voltage of George Santos. Way, way back in the mid 2010s — a pre-Trump era that might as well be ancient history in U.S. politics — the Obama administration deployed the communications strategy of “stray voltage.” Major Garrett of CBS News laid out the approach in 2014: This is the White House theory of “Stray Voltage.” It is the brainchild of former White House Senior Adviser David Plouffe, whose methods loom large long after his departure. The theory goes like this: Controversy sparks attention, attention provokes conversation, and conversation embeds previously unknown or marginalized ideas in the public consciousness. This happens, Plouffe theorizes, even when–and sometimes especially when–the White House appears defensive, besieged, or off-guard. . . . As a theory, “stray voltage” exists in a kind of strategic void. It can’t be dismissed or embraced as workable because creating controversy for the sake of controversy is, well, achievable. Like getting soup from the White House mess. It’s also self-reinforcing and internally didactic. Everyone looks around and says, “See. There’s controversy. It’s working.” * * * * * * * * But you can see why Kevin McCarthy might find it worthwhile to let the gears of the consequences for Santos turn slowly. A Washington press corps that is obsessed with Santos’s incessant lying and potentially shady connections isn’t spending as much time insisting that the House GOP is the root of all evil. Sooner or later, the consequences of Santos’s voluminous deceptions will catch up to him. But between now and then, he’s a glasses-wearing, nervous-looking lightning rod, and the more lightning that strikes him, the less there is to strike the rest of the GOP House majority. Santos is also a daily reminder that he’s far from the only DC politician with plenty of lies on his CV:
B-Man Posted January 27, 2023 Posted January 27, 2023 Schumer lies ? Say it aint so. Chuck Schumer Get Nailed for Lying by Twitter, Then Elon Joins In By Nick Arama Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer (D-NY) was on Twitter already spreading lies about a “Fair Tax” that has been floating around. It’s not even clear that Republicans are on board with the proposal, but that didn’t stop Schumer from lying about it. So many things wrong there, where to begin? It’s the Democrats refusing to negotiate to address the debt ceiling. They just want to keep spending us into oblivion and ignoring the point of having a “debt ceiling” to begin with. Then the tax proposal isn’t a “national sales tax on EVERYTHING”; it’s a sales tax on new products and it’s combined with eliminating the income tax, payroll tax, estate tax, and the IRS, which means you would get to keep 100 percent of your money. Then as some already explained it’s not 30 percent, it’s 23 percent, at least according to one proposal, as even Joe Biden acknowledged. There are also rebates for family size and poverty. Now there are positives and negatives to the idea, it would likely be better to go with just a flat tax rather than a change to the national sales tax. House Speaker Kevin McCarthy (R-CA) has already said he’s not for it, yet that isn’t stopping Schumer and the Democrats from lying about the Republican positions. Tax reduction advocate Grover Norquist called out Schumer’s lies. But this is all about Democrats deflecting from addressing their profligate spending and negotiating the debt ceiling. It’s about spinning an attack and refusing to come to the table to reduce spending. They just want to keep spending and hiking inflation higher. Then Twitter owner Elon Musk weighed in, cutting right through Schumer’s bull and nailing him on what this was all about. He pointed Schumer to McCarthy’s call for negotiation on the debt ceiling, “May I suggest a DM chat?” Elon Musk, like most Americans, wants Democrats to take spending seriously. But Schumer doesn’t want to concentrate on that because that would spotlight how much they continue to hurt us with their spending. He’d rather lie about a bill that isn’t going to go anywhere. Reminds of Billsy's thread about the nonexistent April 2022 GOP tax increase....... https://redstate.com/nick-arama/2023/01/27/chuck-schumer-get-nailed-for-lying-by-twitter-then-elon-joins-in-n694640
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