Royale with Cheese Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight Below is quote from the other female fighter that fought the Transgender. “I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch," Brents told Whoa TV. I honestly can't these fighting federations allow this. She still has a male muscle mass, structure and strength. It's a man beating a woman and that's disgusting. I'm curious to see if a transitioning female to man is going to fight men? Moving forward and the trend continues, they're going to have to have a separate transgender class. It's just too dangerous. 1
\GoBillsInDallas/ Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 1 hour ago, wnyguy said: That's a man, baby. Yeah. 1
daz28 Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 5 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: https://www.sportskeeda.com/mma/news-when-transgender-fighter-fallon-fox-broke-opponent-s-skull-mma-fight Below is quote from the other female fighter that fought the Transgender. “I’ve fought a lot of women and have never felt the strength that I felt in a fight as I did that night. I can’t answer whether it’s because she was born a man or not because I’m not a doctor. I can only say, I’ve never felt so overpowered ever in my life and I am an abnormally strong female in my own right. Her grip was different, I could usually move around in the clinch against other females but couldn’t move at all in Fox’s clinch," Brents told Whoa TV. I honestly can't these fighting federations allow this. She still has a male muscle mass, structure and strength. It's a man beating a woman and that's disgusting. I'm curious to see if a transitioning female to man is going to fight men? Moving forward and the trend continues, they're going to have to have a separate transgender class. It's just too dangerous. If we paid her to fight again, but paid her like Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs, I wonder if she'd still cry about it. This is purely a political statement. I can't believe America is going to fight over volleyball scholarships. How about work on making college affordable for everyone, then we can get rid of the stupid sports scholarships, which are designed solely to allow universities to cash in on athletics. As usual the Republicans are ignoring the REAL problem, and hiding it behind something divisive. Every sport known to man has different sized athletes, and those that don't have weight classes. Why does no one get mad that Beasley weighs 170, and benches 180, while Suh weighs 315, and benches 400? Also, why can't sports be inclusive? The old, stupid argument used to be because of the locker rooms. Lastly, and maybe most importantly, sports are just games created for fun. I found this interesting tidbit, which seems to shed some light on the "Karen effect" of why older women are unreasonable: Popular opinion may state otherwise, but our data shows that women are actually more logical than men, at least before they get older. In fact, women scored an average of 63% in our logical reasoning tests, compared with an average of 59% for men. Interestingly, these scores were almost completely reversed after the age of 55, with men scoring 64% and women coming in behind at 59%. 1
Royale with Cheese Posted February 24, 2021 Author Posted February 24, 2021 1 minute ago, daz28 said: If we paid her to fight again, but paid her like Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs, I wonder if she'd still cry about it. This is purely a political statement. I can't believe America is going to fight over volleyball scholarships. How about work on making college affordable for everyone, then we can get rid of the stupid sports scholarships, which are designed solely to allow universities to cash in on athletics. As usual the Republicans are ignoring the REAL problem, and hiding it behind something divisive. Every sport known to man has different sized athletes, and those that don't have weight classes. Why does no one get mad that Beasley weighs 170, and benches 180, while Suh weighs 315, and benches 400? Also, why can't sports be inclusive? The old, stupid argument used to be because of the locker rooms. Lastly, and maybe most importantly, sports are just games created for fun. I found this interesting tidbit, which seems to shed some light on the "Karen effect" of why older women are unreasonable: Popular opinion may state otherwise, but our data shows that women are actually more logical than men, at least before they get older. In fact, women scored an average of 63% in our logical reasoning tests, compared with an average of 59% for men. Interestingly, these scores were almost completely reversed after the age of 55, with men scoring 64% and women coming in behind at 59%. Because playing football and fighting are completely different. The goal of the fight is to hurt your opponent where he can no longer fight. Cole Beasley runs away from people like Suh on a football field that’s 100 yards long and 53 yards wide. When people get tackled, they stop the play. When a MMA fighter gets taken to the ground, he stays on you and continues trying to hurt you. If Cole Beasley was tackled by Suh, didn’t have any pads on and Suh continues to thrown punches....then yes people would be upset. The physical stature of a women is smaller than men. So when does it stop? Eventually UFC will be men against women if we are going to make it inclusive?
daz28 Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Because playing football and fighting are completely different. The goal of the fight is to hurt your opponent where he can no longer fight. Cole Beasley runs away from people like Suh on a football field that’s 100 yards long and 53 yards wide. When people get tackled, they stop the play. When a MMA fighter gets taken to the ground, he stays on you and continues trying to hurt you. If Cole Beasley was tackled by Suh, didn’t have any pads on and Suh continues to thrown punches....then yes people would be upset. The physical stature of a women is smaller than men. So when does it stop? Eventually UFC will be men against women if we are going to make it inclusive? Bigger, stronger players meet smaller, weaker players in football on every single play, many times causing injury. It was designed that way. A 200 lb running back is almost always met by someone much larger and stronger. As far as MMA/boxing, they have weight classes, and you aren't forced to fight anyone you don't want to. Money is the name of the game there, and people take fights based on that and only that. Like I said if they offer to pay a women handsomely to fight a transgender, they will almost certainly take the fight. Logic, on the other hand, would dictate you should only fight someone you think you might beat.
Royale with Cheese Posted February 24, 2021 Author Posted February 24, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, daz28 said: Bigger, stronger players meet smaller, weaker players in football on every single play, many times causing injury. It was designed that way. A 200 lb running back is almost always met by someone much larger and stronger. As far as MMA/boxing, they have weight classes, and you aren't forced to fight anyone you don't want to. Money is the name of the game there, and people take fights based on that and only that. Like I said if they offer to pay a women handsomely to fight a transgender, they will almost certainly take the fight. Logic, on the other hand, would dictate you should only fight someone you think you might beat. Again, it's a different sport. When the smaller player is tackled, the PLAY IS OVER. They get up and they go back to the huddle. A tackle is one hit essentially. An MMA fighter takes punches over and over and over and over. The guy on top is doing his best to keep the guy down and weight is a gigantic advantage with that. Not to mention....NFL football players are all male! Does this happen in football? I played football and I train in MMA now. It sounds like you haven't done either. Edited February 24, 2021 by Royale with Cheese 2 1
gobills404 Posted February 24, 2021 Posted February 24, 2021 "That is just a d*ckless dude beating the sh*t out of a woman"
daz28 Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 2 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: Again, it's a different sport. When the smaller player is tackled, the PLAY IS OVER. They get up and they go back to the huddle. A tackle is one hit essentially. An MMA fighter takes punches over and over and over and over. The guy on top is doing his best to keep the guy down and weight is a gigantic advantage with that. Not to mention....NFL football players are all male! Does this happen in football? I played football and I train in MMA now. It sounds like you haven't done either. I played football a long time ago, but don't see the relevance here other than a possible machismo jab, which is about totally useless on an internet forum. Now, what you have done with your photo is provide evidence for me. What do those 2 men have in common?? They are THE SAME SIZE. Which MMA do you plan on participating in that has a guy with a gigantic weight advantage taking on another???? As I've already said, wrestling/boxing/MMA, pretty much any mano mano(no pun intended) physical combat is going to be with people of relatively equal stature. Lastly, I'm not the one afraid of a woman my size coming into MMA, and whooping my ass.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, daz28 said: If we paid her to fight again, but paid her like Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs, I wonder if she'd still cry about it. This is purely a political statement. I can't believe America is going to fight over volleyball scholarships. How about work on making college affordable for everyone, then we can get rid of the stupid sports scholarships, which are designed solely to allow universities to cash in on athletics. As usual the Republicans are ignoring the REAL problem, and hiding it behind something divisive. Every sport known to man has different sized athletes, and those that don't have weight classes. Why does no one get mad that Beasley weighs 170, and benches 180, while Suh weighs 315, and benches 400? Also, why can't sports be inclusive? The old, stupid argument used to be because of the locker rooms. Lastly, and maybe most importantly, sports are just games created for fun. I found this interesting tidbit, which seems to shed some light on the "Karen effect" of why older women are unreasonable: Popular opinion may state otherwise, but our data shows that women are actually more logical than men, at least before they get older. In fact, women scored an average of 63% in our logical reasoning tests, compared with an average of 59% for men. Interestingly, these scores were almost completely reversed after the age of 55, with men scoring 64% and women coming in behind at 59%. lol here is where the ‘party of science’ chooses to ignore... science. What one identifies as doesn’t magically change their physiology and that’s what matters here. Biological Males and females are physiologically different and that dramatically impacts sports. It’s just a scientific fact. Edited February 25, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood
Royale with Cheese Posted February 25, 2021 Author Posted February 25, 2021 5 minutes ago, daz28 said: I played football a long time ago, but don't see the relevance here other than a possible machismo jab, which is about totally useless on an internet forum. Now, what you have done with your photo is provide evidence for me. What do those 2 men have in common?? They are THE SAME SIZE. Which MMA do you plan on participating in that has a guy with a gigantic weight advantage taking on another???? As I've already said, wrestling/boxing/MMA, pretty much any mano mano(no pun intended) physical combat is going to be with people of relatively equal stature. Lastly, I'm not the one afraid of a woman my size coming into MMA, and whooping my ass. It has nothing to with machismo, it has the fact that you sound totally ignorant. I've played football and I currently train in MMA. I've been through both, just like the hundreds of guys I train with have. Have you every had someone that knows how to stay in a mount position and you have to get them off? Doesn't sound like you do and I can tell you, it's suffocating. If Beasley gets tackled by Suh, does Beasley have to work his way out to get and Suh tries to keep him down? No, he just gets up and they get a break. In MMA, they keep going for the entire 3 minutes and don't stop until the round is up, someone is KO'ed/put to sleep or taps out. This is why you will see fighters sometimes gas in the first round. How many football players gas out 3 minutes in the first quarter? Size matters much more in some sports, some it doesn't. You're acting like someone like Suh hits Beasley on every play lol. How often does Cole Beasley get hit by a 300+ plus defensive lineman? Very, very rarely. If Suh does tackle Beasley, does he get to stay on top of him? Does he get to take off his helmet and punch in the head/face? This is why there's weight classes in fighting. If you have 280 lbs Brock Lesnar punch a 155 lbs Justin Gaethje in the face flush with a punch, he could kill him. Lesnar has punch at 1,350 PSI... I wouldn't be afraid of fighting a woman either because I'm a man. Yes they are the same size. But you just can't grasp it's a different sport. Fighting and football are completely different and for some reason you're not understanding it.
daz28 Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 4 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said: It has nothing to with machismo, it has the fact that you sound totally ignorant. I've played football and I currently train in MMA. I've been through both, just like the hundreds of guys I train with have. Have you every had someone that knows how to stay in a mount position and you have to get them off? Doesn't sound like you do and I can tell you, it's suffocating. If Beasley gets tackled by Suh, does Beasley have to work his way out to get and Suh tries to keep him down? No, he just gets up and they get a break. In MMA, they keep going for the entire 3 minutes and don't stop until the round is up, someone is KO'ed/put to sleep or taps out. This is why you will see fighters sometimes gas in the first round. How many football players gas out 3 minutes in the first quarter? Size matters much more in some sports, some it doesn't. You're acting like someone like Suh hits Beasley on every play lol. How often does Cole Beasley get hit by a 300+ plus defensive lineman? Very, very rarely. If Suh does tackle Beasley, does he get to stay on top of him? Does he get to take off his helmet and punch in the head/face? This is why there's weight classes in fighting. If you have 280 lbs Brock Lesnar punch a 155 lbs Justin Gaethje in the face flush with a punch, he could kill him. Lesnar has punch at 1,350 PSI... I wouldn't be afraid of fighting a woman either because I'm a man. Yes they are the same size. But you just can't grasp it's a different sport. Fighting and football are completely different and for some reason you're not understanding it. What you're not understanding is that in MMA you will not be fighting a larger opponent. There is no weight advantage. Truth be told, it's highly unlikely there's a lot of boys who think they are girls that are just dying to decimate the ranks of female MMA when they grow up. I know this is a topic that fear mongering has everyone terrified of, and I know I probably won't convince anyone either. I'd say people are probably 75-80% against this. Also, by your own logic, there's no way a woman could beat you, but we know that's not true. There's guaranteed mad amounts of women out there that could whoop you. Afraid or not, you'd lose badly to a lot of them. Bet
daz28 Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 4 hours ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: lol here is where the ‘party of science’ chooses to ignore... science. What one identifies as doesn’t magically change their physiology and that’s what matters here. Biological Males and females are physiologically different and that dramatically impacts sports. It’s just a scientific fact. It's not quite so simple. All humans have varying amounts of testosterone and estrogen. Those hormones are the things that determine our sexuality, not necessarily just your chromosomes. This is evident, as you can control the way your body sexually matures by taking these hormones. A man can indeed grow breasts, and lactate. A woman taking hormones can grow facial hair. As far as this relates to the topic, there are probably very few young boys taking estrogen so they can get big and strong, and beat up all the other girls. It's counter-intuitive. It's also very, very overblown the impact people are trying to say it will have on people's lives. I try to think of it as a sliding scale of masculinity and femininity, which we all lie on somewhere. So there's really 2 sciences at work here. The chromosome AND the hormones. Edited February 25, 2021 by daz28
Doc Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 Create a transgender female (because transgender males would never compete against biological males) category and let them compete against each other. 2
Royale with Cheese Posted February 25, 2021 Author Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, daz28 said: What you're not understanding is that in MMA you will not be fighting a larger opponent. There is no weight advantage. Truth be told, it's highly unlikely there's a lot of boys who think they are girls that are just dying to decimate the ranks of female MMA when they grow up. I know this is a topic that fear mongering has everyone terrified of, and I know I probably won't convince anyone either. I'd say people are probably 75-80% against this. Also, by your own logic, there's no way a woman could beat you, but we know that's not true. There's guaranteed mad amounts of women out there that could whoop you. Afraid or not, you'd lose badly to a lot of them. Bet You just don't have a clue man. It's like explaining algebra to a cockroach. Are you being dense intentionally? Are these guys the same size? Cain Velasquez is 6'1 and 240. Brock Lesnar is 6"3 and 285 lbs. Please argue they are the same size....go ahead. You ever hear of cutting weight lol? How many years have you trained? Please tell me. I'm talking about professional vs professional dude. So just say it. They should have women vs men as long as they're the same size...that's what you're saying right? I train with girls all the time. We have several at my gym. When I spar are roll with them, I go light even if they're a higher belt or have more training or the same size. The difference in strength is significant. I don't put my weight on them and if we spar, even if they block a punch, I still have enough to snap their neck back. We only allow a certain amount of guys to go with girls just because those guys can't control it and not hurt the girls. The girl who fought the transgender specifically talked about the strength difference in the fight. But you probably think she's lying because they're the same size lol. This is what I do and know a lot about. You don't and think you know what you're talking about....you dont. 6 hours ago, daz28 said: It's not quite so simple. All humans have varying amounts of testosterone and estrogen. Those hormones are the things that determine our sexuality, not necessarily just your chromosomes. This is evident, as you can control the way your body sexually matures by taking these hormones. A man can indeed grow breasts, and lactate. A woman taking hormones can grow facial hair. As far as this relates to the topic, there are probably very few young boys taking estrogen so they can get big and strong, and beat up all the other girls. It's counter-intuitive. It's also very, very overblown the impact people are trying to say it will have on people's lives. I try to think of it as a sliding scale of masculinity and femininity, which we all lie on somewhere. So there's really 2 sciences at work here. The chromosome AND the hormones. https://news.ki.se/new-study-on-changes-in-muscle-mass-and-strength-after-gender-affirming-treatment-may-have-an What did you find out? In line with what we expected, the transgender men increased muscle mass and strength significantly after 12 months of testosterone therapy. Perhaps more surprising was that the transgender women did not lose strength at all despite inhibited testosterone production. In addition, the effect on muscle mass of the transgender women was less pronounced than many people previously thought, losing only 5% of the muscle volume over the thigh muscles. Edited February 25, 2021 by Royale with Cheese 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) 6 hours ago, daz28 said: It's not quite so simple. All humans have varying amounts of testosterone and estrogen. Those hormones are the things that determine our sexuality, not necessarily just your chromosomes. This is evident, as you can control the way your body sexually matures by taking these hormones. A man can indeed grow breasts, and lactate. A woman taking hormones can grow facial hair. As far as this relates to the topic, there are probably very few young boys taking estrogen so they can get big and strong, and beat up all the other girls. It's counter-intuitive. It's also very, very overblown the impact people are trying to say it will have on people's lives. I try to think of it as a sliding scale of masculinity and femininity, which we all lie on somewhere. So there's really 2 sciences at work here. The chromosome AND the hormones. 2 sciences? I’m not sure you understand the word physiology, and btw taking artificial hormones is prohibited and even tested for in many sports. It is perfectly reasonable that sports are delineated by birth assignment to keep the playing field level. If some choose to manipulate their physiology with artificial means, it becomes a new category. But to be clear it is a choice to take hormones. It’s continues to be more accepted to be who who you are no matter what you look like. But taking artificial hormones to like better what what you look like is no different than hair plugs or Botox in terms of necessity and happen to be prohibited in numerous sports. Edited February 25, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 17 hours ago, daz28 said: If we paid her to fight again, but paid her like Billie Jean King and Bobby Riggs, I wonder if she'd still cry about it. This is purely a political statement. I can't believe America is going to fight over volleyball scholarships. How about work on making college affordable for everyone, then we can get rid of the stupid sports scholarships, which are designed solely to allow universities to cash in on athletics. As usual the Republicans are ignoring the REAL problem, and hiding it behind something divisive. Every sport known to man has different sized athletes, and those that don't have weight classes. Why does no one get mad that Beasley weighs 170, and benches 180, while Suh weighs 315, and benches 400? Also, why can't sports be inclusive? The old, stupid argument used to be because of the locker rooms. Lastly, and maybe most importantly, sports are just games created for fun. I found this interesting tidbit, which seems to shed some light on the "Karen effect" of why older women are unreasonable: Popular opinion may state otherwise, but our data shows that women are actually more logical than men, at least before they get older. In fact, women scored an average of 63% in our logical reasoning tests, compared with an average of 59% for men. Interestingly, these scores were almost completely reversed after the age of 55, with men scoring 64% and women coming in behind at 59%. There’s no “Karen effect”. Some people are reasonable. Some people are not. Some people are intelligent. Some people are less so. Most people go about their daily life peacefully, trusting some while being distrustful of others, liking some but disliking others. What changed is the advent of the ability to record a person in high def and broadcast it to the world as if there is some grand societal message to be learned. The Karen illusion is simply the application of selective bigotry in play—it’s become fashionable to target white women just as it has been historically fashionable to target other groups. Same boogeyman, different booger. That you fall for it while agonizing over unaffordable higher education (also false) reveals the limitation of your ability to think reasonably. As for the reasonableness of Rosie/née Roscoe hammering Cynthia in the skull because of the Second Science, well, uh, ok. I suppose every night is ladies night somewhere.
Beast Posted February 25, 2021 Posted February 25, 2021 (edited) On 2/24/2021 at 5:05 PM, daz28 said: Bigger, stronger players meet smaller, weaker players in football on every single play, many times causing injury. It was designed that way. A 200 lb running back is almost always met by someone much larger and stronger. As far as MMA/boxing, they have weight classes, and you aren't forced to fight anyone you don't want to. Money is the name of the game there, and people take fights based on that and only that. Like I said if they offer to pay a women handsomely to fight a transgender, they will almost certainly take the fight. Logic, on the other hand, would dictate you should only fight someone you think you might beat. You really are a dunce. Edited February 27, 2021 by Beast 1
daz28 Posted February 27, 2021 Posted February 27, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 8:19 AM, Royale with Cheese said: You just don't have a clue man. It's like explaining algebra to a cockroach. Are you being dense intentionally? Are these guys the same size? Cain Velasquez is 6'1 and 240. Brock Lesnar is 6"3 and 285 lbs. Please argue they are the same size....go ahead. You ever hear of cutting weight lol? How many years have you trained? Please tell me. I'm talking about professional vs professional dude. So just say it. They should have women vs men as long as they're the same size...that's what you're saying right? I train with girls all the time. We have several at my gym. When I spar are roll with them, I go light even if they're a higher belt or have more training or the same size. The difference in strength is significant. I don't put my weight on them and if we spar, even if they block a punch, I still have enough to snap their neck back. We only allow a certain amount of guys to go with girls just because those guys can't control it and not hurt the girls. The girl who fought the transgender specifically talked about the strength difference in the fight. But you probably think she's lying because they're the same size lol. This is what I do and know a lot about. You don't and think you know what you're talking about....you dont. https://news.ki.se/new-study-on-changes-in-muscle-mass-and-strength-after-gender-affirming-treatment-may-have-an What did you find out? In line with what we expected, the transgender men increased muscle mass and strength significantly after 12 months of testosterone therapy. Perhaps more surprising was that the transgender women did not lose strength at all despite inhibited testosterone production. In addition, the effect on muscle mass of the transgender women was less pronounced than many people previously thought, losing only 5% of the muscle volume over the thigh muscles. A lot of the difference in relative strength likely comes from body fat %, which is mostly due to hormones. Even among top athletes women have a higher %. Some strength difference is due to twitch fiber, but the difference in strength there is made up by endurance. Otherwise, men and women gain strength at the same rate at the same level of intensity. You can look that up. The only way trans man vs women would be fair is if the trans person were on hormone therapy. A man with 4% body fat who wears a dress would certainly hold the strength advantages that Brents claims.
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