mannc Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 22 minutes ago, glazeduck said: Harris is the best back in this class by a wide margin. I can’t tell if you’re being serious or hyperbolic, but if you’re serious you need to do more work on him. It ain’t all about speed. He's slow, which was pretty much confirmed by his decision not to run the 40 at his pro day. I would not take him until the late 3rd or 4th. He's definitely NOT a guy the Bills should be looking at. 1 1
glazeduck Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 20 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said: Alright sir.....100 bucks? PM me. No need to derail a thread but let’s get a little more specific about it.
glazeduck Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 48 minutes ago, mannc said: He's slow, which was pretty much confirmed by his decision not to run the 40 at his pro day. I would not take him until the late 3rd or 4th. He's definitely NOT a guy the Bills should be looking at. Yikes
Coach Tuesday Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: ZEROVOLTZ Mock draft 3.0 ....you might ask how this could be 3.0 if this is the first one I've posted......the answer is, this is my 3rd complete from scratch one that I've done...and for me to keep straight what I posted, it's 3.0 even though its the first and probalby only one I'll post here. Thanks Gunner for letting me use this space to post. I look forward to the comments....etc.... I think you'll find this mock to be a bit on the wild side...I believe the media doesn't have a good grasp of this draft at all....explanations with each pick.....I got through pick 40.....for a reason. Some highlights. Parsons falls. The 4th and 5ht Qb's aren't as hot as many think. Teams put off OT because they can get one later. ...and as you'll see the Bills trade back. 1. Jaguars. QB Trevor Lawrence No explanation really needed here. The Jags are taking Lawrence and the second they controlled this pick, he was it. They have sold a ton of season tickets based on the idea this is the pick. It's a lock. 2. Jets. QB Zach Wilson The Jets have zeroed in on Wilson...it's been a foregone conclusion for a while now that he is the pick here. 3. 49ers. QB Justin Fields In my other mock drafts I at first had Mac Jones here...but within a very short time I had changed my thinking to Fields.....SF didn't expend this much draft capital for A) an immobile, bland, system qB in Jones....and I also doubt they spent it for a quantity as random and unkown as Lance. Fields is the embodiment of the most recent stars....QB's who are pass first, big armed, good from the pocket first types, but who CAN run. Think Mahomes, Allen, Rogers....Shanahan has hinted this is the type of QB he'd prefer in the past. 4. Falcons. TE Kyle Pitts I DO NOT believe the Falcons are in the QB market....and despite alot of hype, I don't think Mac Jones or Trey Lance are the kind of prospects a team moves up to 4 to get. The Falcons restructured Ryan and he still has alot of good football left...they stil have Julio and Ridley....I just don't see this as a team that is at the point where you tear it down. Pitts looks like the kind of TE that makes a difference. It's traditionally kind of high for a TE, but he's the rare freak of nature prospect you can take here. 5. Bengals. WR Ja'Marr Chase Many mocks have Penei Sewell here. That's understandable. Here is my logic here. Chase is a major WR prospect. They need to replace AJ Greens 110 targets. Chase has a relationship with Burrow.....AND.....this is the kicker....this is one of the deepest OT drafts to come along in a very long time. There will be some starting caliber OT availbe in round 2. There is NOT a Chase level WR to be had in round 2....this is a deep WR draft class...but a good many of them are slot types. The Bengals opt for the weapon and will wait to address O line later. 6. Dolphins. WR Jaylen Waddle The Dolphins would be good with Pitts, Waddle, Chase, or Smith here. Chase and Pitts are gone...so the pick here is Waddle...the guy with the juice. He's not big but super fast...dynamic playmaker....the kind of guy who can take a short TUA pass and make soemthing of it. Tua was 31 out of 31 qualifying QB's in accuracy on intermediate passes....this guy is able to help at what TUA does better...short stuff. 7. Lions. OT Penei Sewell Even though I believe the Lions could use a QB here, like Lance, who they'd have time to develop...the new GM is the guy who drafted Goff...and the new coach is a culture change guy and he wasts the Lions to be tough SOBs. Sewell fits that mold....and fills a need. 8. Panthers. OT Rashawn Slater Many people are thinking this is a spot ideal for a team looking to trade up for a QB. I continue to beleive that after the top 3 QB's are off the board....Mac Jones and Lance...aren't as well regarded by teams as they are by the media....and the Panthers got their QB...for now as well....they have a glaring hole at OT. No trade partner...they go OT. 9. Broncos. CB Jaycee Horn There are a good number of national media projecting Denver to trade up or stay at 9 and take a QB. They are NOT. Denver brought in a new GM, but retained the current coaching staff, giving them essentially an ultimatum to win now. The new GM would likely not want to draft a QB at 9, that his win now coaching staff won't want anything to do with. The current staff isn't exactly ideal for developing a QB even if they were inclined to do so..Vic Fangio is a d minded HC...when he was hired the Broncos, at Fangios urging, signed Joe Flacco...he wanted a vet QB that could run their PA attack....Drew Lock was an afterthought....now in a win now year, Fangio will roll with Lock, and they will draft a win now player. If Parsons didn't have the red flag charachter issues...I think they might go with him...but CB is a need as they have guys on one year contracts and you can't have enough good CB's as it is. Between Horn and Surtain....Horn is the better ZONE player...and that is what Fangio runs. 10. Cowboys CB Patrick Surtain II One of the easiest matches to figure here...the Cowboys have a need at CB..they like Surtain... 11. Giants EDGE Jaelan Phillips Dave Gettleman is an old school kind of guy who likes linemen. The Giants pass rush sucked last year. Phillips is a guy that can come in and start, and possibly be that missing piece the Giants covet. 12. Eagles. WR DeVonta Smith Similar to the Cowboys....Eagles have a big need....and Smith is here....no need to over think it. 13. Chargers. OT Christian Darrisaw The Chargers are going to do all they can in this draft to build a wall in front of Justin Herbert....Darrisaw is the protypical LT they are looking for of the guys remaining...some are higher on Teven Jenkins....Darrisaw is the better bet to be successful as a LT. 14. Vikings, IOL Alijah Vera-Tucker Again....what might be considered a prime spot to get ahead of New England for a QB....no takers. The Vikings would probably have prefered an OT here....and would consider Jenkins, but go instead with the bigger need and bonafide interior lineman. 15. ***TRADE*** Washington FT QB Trey Lance In a surprise move, the Patriots....thought to be looking for a QB...trade back to 19 and the FT comes up to get their QBOTF in Lance. Football team wanted to insure they got ahead of the Bears here. 16. Cardinals CB Greg Newsome II With the departure of Patrick Petersen...and no other real stars or players on the roster to replace him...the Cardinals take Greg Newsome here..... 17. Radiers OL Teven Jenkins The Raiders are a hot mess....and more than any other spot...they need O linemen...Jenkins played all over the line except C....he'll start somewhere on the the Radiers line immedeately. 18. Dolphins EDGE Azeez Ojulari The Dolphins just continue to add high end players with all their AMMO....and Ojulari is another one....and again...there is always a need for edge rushers.... 19. *** TRADE *** Patriots moved back from 15 with WFT. Patroit select... LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Belichick just turned 69 years old. I am inclined to believe that he isn't interested in trying to develop a young QB at this point. They loaded up the roster to run a double TE, power run, RPO type offense with Cam. Belichick adds some draft capital and still gets the guy he's wanted all along. 20. Bears. QB Mac Jones Somehow, Ryan Pace and Nagy still have jobs. They apparently are going to be given another shot at finding a QB.....Mac Jones does have alot of the traits the Bears are looking for in a QB....and while there are other needs.....the staff knows without a QB they are toast...Jones represents their only chance at redemption. 21. Colts. IDL Christian Barmore The Colts have a need at DL....and while I don't like drafting for need....this is a week IDL class, and Barmore is the cream of a weak crop. The Colts need a low lost answer here....and Barmore is it. They do have a big need at OT as well...but again, as suggest earlier....this is a deep OT draft...the Colts will find one later. 22. Titans. WR Kadarius Toney The need at WR is obvious, but I think some will be surprised that Toney is the pick here....the media isn't high enough on Toney...a track star...he can stretch a defense...and can be effectively deployed on sweeps and reverses, shuttle passes etc. The most dynamic weapon of the options here. 23. Jets. RB Travis Ettiene The Jets could go a number of directions here...but opt for a weapon that is multi dimensional out of the backfield....wouldn't be surprising if the Jets considered a DB here...but ultimately, they will rely on new Coach Selah to shape up the D, and will get the new QB and offense some weapons I think. 24. Steelers CB Caleb Farley The Steelers spring to the table to draft Farley...a big, physical, do it all, ball skills, whole package CB...they like....injury red flag allows this guy to fall here and the Steelers are more than happy to take the risk. Something of note...they need OT here pretty bad....even IOL....but the Steelers historically just don't spend high draft pickst on OT....and rarely on IOL. That continues here. 25. Jaguars S Travis Meohrig Not much to say here other than....Jags have needs in their defensive backfield and Moerhig is a fit. RT is a need, but once again....beign a deep draft at OT, a RT can be found later. 26. Browns EDGE Kity Paye Cleveland is delighted to get Paye here....they are stacking up alot of talent on the defense. They need pass rush help beyond Myles Garrett 27. Ravens. EDGE Jason Oweh The Ravens lost Matt Judon and NEED pass rushers in the worst way...the go with Oweh here....the man with no sacks..but the physical traits that say he should.... 28. Saints. CB Eric Stokes Big need....and Stokes fits. Being cap strapped as they are....Saints could use some other help at WR, and maybe Edge or LB...but biggest need is at CB. 29. Packers. OT Liam Eichenberg. Packers have a need at OT....Eichenberg is a very Packers esque lineman....not the most impressive or imposing physical specimen....he is technically sound...and not prone to mistakes....very refined. smart. Not going to be much help for a team that runs screens etc...but the Packers aren't that kind of team. He can play left or right.... 30 BUFFALO BILLS ***TRADE*** .....the Denver Broncos Move up here to select.... LB Zaven Collins. The Broncos need a dynamic, do it all LB to really finish off their D. They considered it way up at pick 9...but opted for a more surefire player in Horn. Now they get their LB. The broncos are in win now mode and they are loading up. The Bills pick up some capital to move out of 30....I believe the players who will remain on the board at 40, suite the Bills well...and at better value than here at 30. 31. Chiefs EDGE Ronnie Perkins Most mocks have KC going with an OT here...some I have seen have Eichenberg...some with Leatherwood (not a fit) and I have seen some with KC taking an edge...Jason Oweh usually...but I have him already taken in this mock. I think Perkins is a guy the media isn't up to speed on and that pro teams have him ranked higher than media does. The Chiefs get a guy big enough to play on the edge, but who will need to learn gap discipline.....beyond that..he's got juice and high motor to get after the QB and wreck the backfield. 32. Buccs EDGE Gregory Rousseau the Buccs are pretty loaded.....and have the luxury of going for something of a luxury...another pass rusher. ROUND 2 33. Jags WR Terrace Marshall Talented WR.....Jags loading up for Lawrence. 34. Jets LB Micah Parsons Finally, Parsons goes after a big fall....the Jets will gamble that HC Saleh and staff can keep Parsons out of trouble and help him grow up. He's a major talent....lack of experience in coverage also a reason for this drop. 35. Falcons LB Jamin Davis Maybe not at the top of the list of needs, but Davis too good to pass here....dynamic do it all LB. 36. Dolphins RB Najee Harris Loading up on yet more of the Alabama offense.....RB here for the Dolphins...amazing the roster they've turned over in the past couple years. 37. Eagles LB Nick Bolton Dynamic LB are having a run here at the top of round 2. 38. Bengals OT Samuel Cosmi Bengals took Chase in round 1, and land a starting caliber OT here in round 2. 39. Panthers WR Rashod Bateman The Panters let Samuel Curtis walk this offseason...and do have a need at WR...they are stoked when Batemen falls to them here. 40 ***BUFFALO BILLS*** Having traded back with Denver...the Bills select RB Javonte Williams. Hear me out Bills fans....Williams is a physical back....who is a 3 down player....who excells in pass protection....and is known for broken tackles....he reminds me a ton of Steven Jackson. He could do A LOT...to help the Bills already high powered offense...be less one dimensional, and give them a guy that stays on the field all 3 downs, that does it ALL. I could not think of a player the Bills could add, who could do more to help NOW than this guy. (I am sure there are going to be a ton of you who don't agree) I agree with much of this until the Jets’ pick - just feel like incoming new coaches nearly always pick from their side of the ball with their first rounder, think they’ll go defense at 23 especially after taking a QB at 2. Also Bills would be leaving a lot of talent on the table if they do what you’re suggesting. Can’t see that scenario happening, at least not for a running back. Edited April 17, 2021 by Coach Tuesday 3 1
HappyDays Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 3 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: 40 ***BUFFALO BILLS*** Having traded back with Denver...the Bills select RB Javonte Williams. If the draft fell the way you presented, I'm fairly certain the Bills would draft Tyson Campbell. And they wouldn't risk trading down that far, they would just take him at 30. Campbell is possibly a 1st round talent that fills a need and gives us much needed size, athleticism, and speed at CB. 3
Seoulofstone Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: ZEROVOLTZ Mock draft 3.0 ....you might ask how this could be 3.0 if this is the first one I've posted......the answer is, this is my 3rd complete from scratch one that I've done...and for me to keep straight what I posted, it's 3.0 even though its the first and probalby only one I'll post here. Thanks Gunner for letting me use this space to post. I look forward to the comments....etc.... I think you'll find this mock to be a bit on the wild side...I believe the media doesn't have a good grasp of this draft at all....explanations with each pick.....I got through pick 40.....for a reason. Some highlights. Parsons falls. The 4th and 5ht Qb's aren't as hot as many think. Teams put off OT because they can get one later. ...and as you'll see the Bills trade back. 1. Jaguars. QB Trevor Lawrence No explanation really needed here. The Jags are taking Lawrence and the second they controlled this pick, he was it. They have sold a ton of season tickets based on the idea this is the pick. It's a lock. 2. Jets. QB Zach Wilson The Jets have zeroed in on Wilson...it's been a foregone conclusion for a while now that he is the pick here. 3. 49ers. QB Justin Fields In my other mock drafts I at first had Mac Jones here...but within a very short time I had changed my thinking to Fields.....SF didn't expend this much draft capital for A) an immobile, bland, system qB in Jones....and I also doubt they spent it for a quantity as random and unkown as Lance. Fields is the embodiment of the most recent stars....QB's who are pass first, big armed, good from the pocket first types, but who CAN run. Think Mahomes, Allen, Rogers....Shanahan has hinted this is the type of QB he'd prefer in the past. 4. Falcons. TE Kyle Pitts I DO NOT believe the Falcons are in the QB market....and despite alot of hype, I don't think Mac Jones or Trey Lance are the kind of prospects a team moves up to 4 to get. The Falcons restructured Ryan and he still has alot of good football left...they stil have Julio and Ridley....I just don't see this as a team that is at the point where you tear it down. Pitts looks like the kind of TE that makes a difference. It's traditionally kind of high for a TE, but he's the rare freak of nature prospect you can take here. 5. Bengals. WR Ja'Marr Chase Many mocks have Penei Sewell here. That's understandable. Here is my logic here. Chase is a major WR prospect. They need to replace AJ Greens 110 targets. Chase has a relationship with Burrow.....AND.....this is the kicker....this is one of the deepest OT drafts to come along in a very long time. There will be some starting caliber OT availbe in round 2. There is NOT a Chase level WR to be had in round 2....this is a deep WR draft class...but a good many of them are slot types. The Bengals opt for the weapon and will wait to address O line later. 6. Dolphins. WR Jaylen Waddle The Dolphins would be good with Pitts, Waddle, Chase, or Smith here. Chase and Pitts are gone...so the pick here is Waddle...the guy with the juice. He's not big but super fast...dynamic playmaker....the kind of guy who can take a short TUA pass and make soemthing of it. Tua was 31 out of 31 qualifying QB's in accuracy on intermediate passes....this guy is able to help at what TUA does better...short stuff. 7. Lions. OT Penei Sewell Even though I believe the Lions could use a QB here, like Lance, who they'd have time to develop...the new GM is the guy who drafted Goff...and the new coach is a culture change guy and he wasts the Lions to be tough SOBs. Sewell fits that mold....and fills a need. 8. Panthers. OT Rashawn Slater Many people are thinking this is a spot ideal for a team looking to trade up for a QB. I continue to beleive that after the top 3 QB's are off the board....Mac Jones and Lance...aren't as well regarded by teams as they are by the media....and the Panthers got their QB...for now as well....they have a glaring hole at OT. No trade partner...they go OT. 9. Broncos. CB Jaycee Horn There are a good number of national media projecting Denver to trade up or stay at 9 and take a QB. They are NOT. Denver brought in a new GM, but retained the current coaching staff, giving them essentially an ultimatum to win now. The new GM would likely not want to draft a QB at 9, that his win now coaching staff won't want anything to do with. The current staff isn't exactly ideal for developing a QB even if they were inclined to do so..Vic Fangio is a d minded HC...when he was hired the Broncos, at Fangios urging, signed Joe Flacco...he wanted a vet QB that could run their PA attack....Drew Lock was an afterthought....now in a win now year, Fangio will roll with Lock, and they will draft a win now player. If Parsons didn't have the red flag charachter issues...I think they might go with him...but CB is a need as they have guys on one year contracts and you can't have enough good CB's as it is. Between Horn and Surtain....Horn is the better ZONE player...and that is what Fangio runs. 10. Cowboys CB Patrick Surtain II One of the easiest matches to figure here...the Cowboys have a need at CB..they like Surtain... 11. Giants EDGE Jaelan Phillips Dave Gettleman is an old school kind of guy who likes linemen. The Giants pass rush sucked last year. Phillips is a guy that can come in and start, and possibly be that missing piece the Giants covet. 12. Eagles. WR DeVonta Smith Similar to the Cowboys....Eagles have a big need....and Smith is here....no need to over think it. 13. Chargers. OT Christian Darrisaw The Chargers are going to do all they can in this draft to build a wall in front of Justin Herbert....Darrisaw is the protypical LT they are looking for of the guys remaining...some are higher on Teven Jenkins....Darrisaw is the better bet to be successful as a LT. 14. Vikings, IOL Alijah Vera-Tucker Again....what might be considered a prime spot to get ahead of New England for a QB....no takers. The Vikings would probably have prefered an OT here....and would consider Jenkins, but go instead with the bigger need and bonafide interior lineman. 15. ***TRADE*** Washington FT QB Trey Lance In a surprise move, the Patriots....thought to be looking for a QB...trade back to 19 and the FT comes up to get their QBOTF in Lance. Football team wanted to insure they got ahead of the Bears here. 16. Cardinals CB Greg Newsome II With the departure of Patrick Petersen...and no other real stars or players on the roster to replace him...the Cardinals take Greg Newsome here..... 17. Radiers OL Teven Jenkins The Raiders are a hot mess....and more than any other spot...they need O linemen...Jenkins played all over the line except C....he'll start somewhere on the the Radiers line immedeately. 18. Dolphins EDGE Azeez Ojulari The Dolphins just continue to add high end players with all their AMMO....and Ojulari is another one....and again...there is always a need for edge rushers.... 19. *** TRADE *** Patriots moved back from 15 with WFT. Patroit select... LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Belichick just turned 69 years old. I am inclined to believe that he isn't interested in trying to develop a young QB at this point. They loaded up the roster to run a double TE, power run, RPO type offense with Cam. Belichick adds some draft capital and still gets the guy he's wanted all along. 20. Bears. QB Mac Jones Somehow, Ryan Pace and Nagy still have jobs. They apparently are going to be given another shot at finding a QB.....Mac Jones does have alot of the traits the Bears are looking for in a QB....and while there are other needs.....the staff knows without a QB they are toast...Jones represents their only chance at redemption. 21. Colts. IDL Christian Barmore The Colts have a need at DL....and while I don't like drafting for need....this is a week IDL class, and Barmore is the cream of a weak crop. The Colts need a low lost answer here....and Barmore is it. They do have a big need at OT as well...but again, as suggest earlier....this is a deep OT draft...the Colts will find one later. 22. Titans. WR Kadarius Toney The need at WR is obvious, but I think some will be surprised that Toney is the pick here....the media isn't high enough on Toney...a track star...he can stretch a defense...and can be effectively deployed on sweeps and reverses, shuttle passes etc. The most dynamic weapon of the options here. 23. Jets. RB Travis Ettiene The Jets could go a number of directions here...but opt for a weapon that is multi dimensional out of the backfield....wouldn't be surprising if the Jets considered a DB here...but ultimately, they will rely on new Coach Selah to shape up the D, and will get the new QB and offense some weapons I think. 24. Steelers CB Caleb Farley The Steelers spring to the table to draft Farley...a big, physical, do it all, ball skills, whole package CB...they like....injury red flag allows this guy to fall here and the Steelers are more than happy to take the risk. Something of note...they need OT here pretty bad....even IOL....but the Steelers historically just don't spend high draft pickst on OT....and rarely on IOL. That continues here. 25. Jaguars S Travis Meohrig Not much to say here other than....Jags have needs in their defensive backfield and Moerhig is a fit. RT is a need, but once again....beign a deep draft at OT, a RT can be found later. 26. Browns EDGE Kity Paye Cleveland is delighted to get Paye here....they are stacking up alot of talent on the defense. They need pass rush help beyond Myles Garrett 27. Ravens. EDGE Jason Oweh The Ravens lost Matt Judon and NEED pass rushers in the worst way...the go with Oweh here....the man with no sacks..but the physical traits that say he should.... 28. Saints. CB Eric Stokes Big need....and Stokes fits. Being cap strapped as they are....Saints could use some other help at WR, and maybe Edge or LB...but biggest need is at CB. 29. Packers. OT Liam Eichenberg. Packers have a need at OT....Eichenberg is a very Packers esque lineman....not the most impressive or imposing physical specimen....he is technically sound...and not prone to mistakes....very refined. smart. Not going to be much help for a team that runs screens etc...but the Packers aren't that kind of team. He can play left or right.... 30 BUFFALO BILLS ***TRADE*** .....the Denver Broncos Move up here to select.... LB Zaven Collins. The Broncos need a dynamic, do it all LB to really finish off their D. They considered it way up at pick 9...but opted for a more surefire player in Horn. Now they get their LB. The broncos are in win now mode and they are loading up. The Bills pick up some capital to move out of 30....I believe the players who will remain on the board at 40, suite the Bills well...and at better value than here at 30. 31. Chiefs EDGE Ronnie Perkins Most mocks have KC going with an OT here...some I have seen have Eichenberg...some with Leatherwood (not a fit) and I have seen some with KC taking an edge...Jason Oweh usually...but I have him already taken in this mock. I think Perkins is a guy the media isn't up to speed on and that pro teams have him ranked higher than media does. The Chiefs get a guy big enough to play on the edge, but who will need to learn gap discipline.....beyond that..he's got juice and high motor to get after the QB and wreck the backfield. 32. Buccs EDGE Gregory Rousseau the Buccs are pretty loaded.....and have the luxury of going for something of a luxury...another pass rusher. ROUND 2 33. Jags WR Terrace Marshall Talented WR.....Jags loading up for Lawrence. 34. Jets LB Micah Parsons Finally, Parsons goes after a big fall....the Jets will gamble that HC Saleh and staff can keep Parsons out of trouble and help him grow up. He's a major talent....lack of experience in coverage also a reason for this drop. 35. Falcons LB Jamin Davis Maybe not at the top of the list of needs, but Davis too good to pass here....dynamic do it all LB. 36. Dolphins RB Najee Harris Loading up on yet more of the Alabama offense.....RB here for the Dolphins...amazing the roster they've turned over in the past couple years. 37. Eagles LB Nick Bolton Dynamic LB are having a run here at the top of round 2. 38. Bengals OT Samuel Cosmi Bengals took Chase in round 1, and land a starting caliber OT here in round 2. 39. Panthers WR Rashod Bateman The Panters let Samuel Curtis walk this offseason...and do have a need at WR...they are stoked when Batemen falls to them here. 40 ***BUFFALO BILLS*** Having traded back with Denver...the Bills select RB Javonte Williams. Hear me out Bills fans....Williams is a physical back....who is a 3 down player....who excells in pass protection....and is known for broken tackles....he reminds me a ton of Steven Jackson. He could do A LOT...to help the Bills already high powered offense...be less one dimensional, and give them a guy that stays on the field all 3 downs, that does it ALL. I could not think of a player the Bills could add, who could do more to help NOW than this guy. (I am sure there are going to be a ton of you who don't agree) I like what you did at the top of the draft. Don't agree with your Colts or Steelers picks. Colts have Armstead, Steelers need a center not a high risk pick. Bills trading back then taking 3rd best RB is a very disappointing way to end the mock.
r00tabaga Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: Alright sir.....100 bucks? Sorry bout the SB. Tough tough loss. Yikes. Should be fun in ‘21. This time we host. 1
SoCal Deek Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 I really appreciate all the effort put into these Mocks. They’re super fun to read through. Thanks! Now, with regard to this mock I’m almost certain that we’d look back and say it was huge mistake to pass on Collins at LB without the trade and then Harris at RB with the trade. (Fast forward to 2023 and you can envision the threads now.) 1
Shaw66 Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 Sorry, but I haven't completed my mock draft. I've just got my top five so far; maybe I'll finish it later. #1. Gunner. I mean, the guy just does it all. In depth analysis, college and pro. Solid memory of recent activity. Good command of talent around the league. Not a homer, but sees and points out the best in the Bills. #2. Logic. Just all around solid. When Logic makes a play, you gotta listen. #3. Yolo. A team can't succeed without a Yolo. #4. Hapless. Tireless worker. Solid analyst. Not afraid of close-in, hand-to-hand fighting. #5. Virgil. Goes on vacation during the off-season, but when the real games start, he's ready. 11 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: 30 BUFFALO BILLS ***TRADE*** .....the Denver Broncos Move up here to select.... LB Zaven Collins. The Broncos need a dynamic, do it all LB to really finish off their D. They considered it way up at pick 9...but opted for a more surefire player in Horn. Now they get their LB. The broncos are in win now mode and they are loading up. The Bills pick up some capital to move out of 30....I believe the players who will remain on the board at 40, suite the Bills well...and at better value than here at 30. Gotta admit, I'm a trade-back fan. I really have drunk the McDermott/Beane Kool-Aid about competition. Trade back and pick four times in rounds two and three. Bring in four good players to compete at four positions. That's how everyone gets better and you keep building for the future. 1 1 1
dave mcbride Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: The Bills could do a number of things with their pick...or even Pick 40 or so, if they move back....they have options..... I only went with J wIlliams because IMO.....even if he isn't the fastest etc...he has been very productive...and he is a very good pass blocker....I think the pass blocking aspect is huge...also....I think at times we all put too much of a premium on speed at RB....can the guy make people miss? is he strong and breaks tackles? When KC drafted Karreem Hunt...he was far from the fastest...but he had super high grades on breaking tackles and being pretty nimble for a man his size....and he was a willing blocker.....I can see Williams fitting the job the Bills need a RB to do. And again....they can go any number of ways and get a contributor right away.... My crazy theory is that BB doesn’t have any interest in winning the Brady way anymore: been there, done that, and he’s the greatest coach in league history. He has earned the right to experiment. For that reason I see him targeting Justin Fields, who can play behind a dead-armed Newton for a little while before taking over the helm mid-way through the season. My point is, BB hasn’t won this way before, and he is the sort of curious, intellectually-minded HC who wants to experiment at this point of his career. His legacy—which goes back to his Giants days, where he was the best DC in the league—is untouchable, and from his perspective, why the hell not? What does he have to lose? Winning via a different way will also show that he really can do it all. I could be way off, but I don’t think SF takes Fields. They need to win now (loyalty to coaches fades fast after two losing seasons regardless of circumstances), and he is just too much of a boom or bust player. Mac Jones has flaws, but he can play competently a LOT sooner than Fields, in my opinion. SF’s problem these last few years has been absolutely terrible backup qb play, and that has to end. If Fields starts for them this year, they won’t win more than 8 games given that offensive system. And I don’t care what Fields’ completion pct was at OSU; he is really just not that accurate. He’ll be exposed on that front in the pros, and therefore represents a real risk for a team like SF. But he IS basically Newton Mach II — big, fast, huge arm, and an “in the general vicinity” thrower. The Pats offense is currently built to help a guy like that succeed. I see the Pats targeting him, and moving up if they have to. 2 1
Patrick Duffy Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 11 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: The Bills could do a number of things with their pick...or even Pick 40 or so, if they move back....they have options..... I only went with J wIlliams because IMO.....even if he isn't the fastest etc...he has been very productive...and he is a very good pass blocker....I think the pass blocking aspect is huge...also....I think at times we all put too much of a premium on speed at RB....can the guy make people miss? is he strong and breaks tackles? When KC drafted Karreem Hunt...he was far from the fastest...but he had super high grades on breaking tackles and being pretty nimble for a man his size....and he was a willing blocker.....I can see Williams fitting the job the Bills need a RB to do. And again....they can go any number of ways and get a contributor right away.... Correct Bills can pretty much go in many directions, so it's more difficult to predict. I really don't see Bills taking a RB at least with their 1st pick, even if they do trade down to around 40 and I feel very confident about that. Anything is possible but I would totally taken off guard and would even say disappointed if they did. Edited April 17, 2021 by Patrick_Duffy
stinky finger Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: I agree with much of this until the Jets’ pick - just feel like incoming new coaches nearly always pick from their side of the ball with their first rounder, think they’ll go defense at 23 especially after taking a QB at 2. Also Bills would be leaving a lot of talent on the table if they do what you’re suggesting. Can’t see that scenario happening, at least not for a running back. Good post. Douglas should be fired for taking a RB with Farley right there. Agree on Bills scenario as well. 1
Coach Tuesday Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 29 minutes ago, inaugural balls said: Good post. Douglas should be fired for taking a RB with Farley right there. Agree on Bills scenario as well. Or Parsons. Jets could end up with the “quarterback of the defense” as well. 1
goober Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 I thought someone was going to be mocking Zerovoltz on p.15....that was kind of a let down. 1
ghostwriter Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 11 hours ago, mannc said: He's slow, which was pretty much confirmed by his decision not to run the 40 at his pro day. I would not take him until the late 3rd or 4th. He's definitely NOT a guy the Bills should be looking at. I respectfully disagree. From my understanding he runs a 4.45, he is also 6’2 230lbs. So keep in mind that most safeties and DBs are 5’10-5’11 185-200lbs. Once a player like Harris gets moving, especially at 230lbs, these players can get seriously hurt trying to bring him down. Most of these guys when they see Harris running at them will whiff tackles because they realize they can get seriously hurt. It’s the same thing with Derrick Henry, except Harris can catch. He’s even big enough to punish many LBers in the NFL. Many of these guys are 220-230lbs now because they need to cover. If we do go offense RD1, I can’t think of a better option than Harris.
BADOLBILZ Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 12 hours ago, Zerovoltz said: ZEROVOLTZ Mock draft 3.0 ....you might ask how this could be 3.0 if this is the first one I've posted......the answer is, this is my 3rd complete from scratch one that I've done...and for me to keep straight what I posted, it's 3.0 even though its the first and probalby only one I'll post here. Thanks Gunner for letting me use this space to post. I look forward to the comments....etc.... I think you'll find this mock to be a bit on the wild side...I believe the media doesn't have a good grasp of this draft at all....explanations with each pick.....I got through pick 40.....for a reason. Some highlights. Parsons falls. The 4th and 5ht Qb's aren't as hot as many think. Teams put off OT because they can get one later. ...and as you'll see the Bills trade back. 1. Jaguars. QB Trevor Lawrence No explanation really needed here. The Jags are taking Lawrence and the second they controlled this pick, he was it. They have sold a ton of season tickets based on the idea this is the pick. It's a lock. 2. Jets. QB Zach Wilson The Jets have zeroed in on Wilson...it's been a foregone conclusion for a while now that he is the pick here. 3. 49ers. QB Justin Fields In my other mock drafts I at first had Mac Jones here...but within a very short time I had changed my thinking to Fields.....SF didn't expend this much draft capital for A) an immobile, bland, system qB in Jones....and I also doubt they spent it for a quantity as random and unkown as Lance. Fields is the embodiment of the most recent stars....QB's who are pass first, big armed, good from the pocket first types, but who CAN run. Think Mahomes, Allen, Rogers....Shanahan has hinted this is the type of QB he'd prefer in the past. 4. Falcons. TE Kyle Pitts I DO NOT believe the Falcons are in the QB market....and despite alot of hype, I don't think Mac Jones or Trey Lance are the kind of prospects a team moves up to 4 to get. The Falcons restructured Ryan and he still has alot of good football left...they stil have Julio and Ridley....I just don't see this as a team that is at the point where you tear it down. Pitts looks like the kind of TE that makes a difference. It's traditionally kind of high for a TE, but he's the rare freak of nature prospect you can take here. 5. Bengals. WR Ja'Marr Chase Many mocks have Penei Sewell here. That's understandable. Here is my logic here. Chase is a major WR prospect. They need to replace AJ Greens 110 targets. Chase has a relationship with Burrow.....AND.....this is the kicker....this is one of the deepest OT drafts to come along in a very long time. There will be some starting caliber OT availbe in round 2. There is NOT a Chase level WR to be had in round 2....this is a deep WR draft class...but a good many of them are slot types. The Bengals opt for the weapon and will wait to address O line later. 6. Dolphins. WR Jaylen Waddle The Dolphins would be good with Pitts, Waddle, Chase, or Smith here. Chase and Pitts are gone...so the pick here is Waddle...the guy with the juice. He's not big but super fast...dynamic playmaker....the kind of guy who can take a short TUA pass and make soemthing of it. Tua was 31 out of 31 qualifying QB's in accuracy on intermediate passes....this guy is able to help at what TUA does better...short stuff. 7. Lions. OT Penei Sewell Even though I believe the Lions could use a QB here, like Lance, who they'd have time to develop...the new GM is the guy who drafted Goff...and the new coach is a culture change guy and he wasts the Lions to be tough SOBs. Sewell fits that mold....and fills a need. 8. Panthers. OT Rashawn Slater Many people are thinking this is a spot ideal for a team looking to trade up for a QB. I continue to beleive that after the top 3 QB's are off the board....Mac Jones and Lance...aren't as well regarded by teams as they are by the media....and the Panthers got their QB...for now as well....they have a glaring hole at OT. No trade partner...they go OT. 9. Broncos. CB Jaycee Horn There are a good number of national media projecting Denver to trade up or stay at 9 and take a QB. They are NOT. Denver brought in a new GM, but retained the current coaching staff, giving them essentially an ultimatum to win now. The new GM would likely not want to draft a QB at 9, that his win now coaching staff won't want anything to do with. The current staff isn't exactly ideal for developing a QB even if they were inclined to do so..Vic Fangio is a d minded HC...when he was hired the Broncos, at Fangios urging, signed Joe Flacco...he wanted a vet QB that could run their PA attack....Drew Lock was an afterthought....now in a win now year, Fangio will roll with Lock, and they will draft a win now player. If Parsons didn't have the red flag charachter issues...I think they might go with him...but CB is a need as they have guys on one year contracts and you can't have enough good CB's as it is. Between Horn and Surtain....Horn is the better ZONE player...and that is what Fangio runs. 10. Cowboys CB Patrick Surtain II One of the easiest matches to figure here...the Cowboys have a need at CB..they like Surtain... 11. Giants EDGE Jaelan Phillips Dave Gettleman is an old school kind of guy who likes linemen. The Giants pass rush sucked last year. Phillips is a guy that can come in and start, and possibly be that missing piece the Giants covet. 12. Eagles. WR DeVonta Smith Similar to the Cowboys....Eagles have a big need....and Smith is here....no need to over think it. 13. Chargers. OT Christian Darrisaw The Chargers are going to do all they can in this draft to build a wall in front of Justin Herbert....Darrisaw is the protypical LT they are looking for of the guys remaining...some are higher on Teven Jenkins....Darrisaw is the better bet to be successful as a LT. 14. Vikings, IOL Alijah Vera-Tucker Again....what might be considered a prime spot to get ahead of New England for a QB....no takers. The Vikings would probably have prefered an OT here....and would consider Jenkins, but go instead with the bigger need and bonafide interior lineman. 15. ***TRADE*** Washington FT QB Trey Lance In a surprise move, the Patriots....thought to be looking for a QB...trade back to 19 and the FT comes up to get their QBOTF in Lance. Football team wanted to insure they got ahead of the Bears here. 16. Cardinals CB Greg Newsome II With the departure of Patrick Petersen...and no other real stars or players on the roster to replace him...the Cardinals take Greg Newsome here..... 17. Radiers OL Teven Jenkins The Raiders are a hot mess....and more than any other spot...they need O linemen...Jenkins played all over the line except C....he'll start somewhere on the the Radiers line immedeately. 18. Dolphins EDGE Azeez Ojulari The Dolphins just continue to add high end players with all their AMMO....and Ojulari is another one....and again...there is always a need for edge rushers.... 19. *** TRADE *** Patriots moved back from 15 with WFT. Patroit select... LB Jeremiah Owusu-Koramoah Belichick just turned 69 years old. I am inclined to believe that he isn't interested in trying to develop a young QB at this point. They loaded up the roster to run a double TE, power run, RPO type offense with Cam. Belichick adds some draft capital and still gets the guy he's wanted all along. 20. Bears. QB Mac Jones Somehow, Ryan Pace and Nagy still have jobs. They apparently are going to be given another shot at finding a QB.....Mac Jones does have alot of the traits the Bears are looking for in a QB....and while there are other needs.....the staff knows without a QB they are toast...Jones represents their only chance at redemption. 21. Colts. IDL Christian Barmore The Colts have a need at DL....and while I don't like drafting for need....this is a week IDL class, and Barmore is the cream of a weak crop. The Colts need a low lost answer here....and Barmore is it. They do have a big need at OT as well...but again, as suggest earlier....this is a deep OT draft...the Colts will find one later. 22. Titans. WR Kadarius Toney The need at WR is obvious, but I think some will be surprised that Toney is the pick here....the media isn't high enough on Toney...a track star...he can stretch a defense...and can be effectively deployed on sweeps and reverses, shuttle passes etc. The most dynamic weapon of the options here. 23. Jets. RB Travis Ettiene The Jets could go a number of directions here...but opt for a weapon that is multi dimensional out of the backfield....wouldn't be surprising if the Jets considered a DB here...but ultimately, they will rely on new Coach Selah to shape up the D, and will get the new QB and offense some weapons I think. 24. Steelers CB Caleb Farley The Steelers spring to the table to draft Farley...a big, physical, do it all, ball skills, whole package CB...they like....injury red flag allows this guy to fall here and the Steelers are more than happy to take the risk. Something of note...they need OT here pretty bad....even IOL....but the Steelers historically just don't spend high draft pickst on OT....and rarely on IOL. That continues here. 25. Jaguars S Travis Meohrig Not much to say here other than....Jags have needs in their defensive backfield and Moerhig is a fit. RT is a need, but once again....beign a deep draft at OT, a RT can be found later. 26. Browns EDGE Kity Paye Cleveland is delighted to get Paye here....they are stacking up alot of talent on the defense. They need pass rush help beyond Myles Garrett 27. Ravens. EDGE Jason Oweh The Ravens lost Matt Judon and NEED pass rushers in the worst way...the go with Oweh here....the man with no sacks..but the physical traits that say he should.... 28. Saints. CB Eric Stokes Big need....and Stokes fits. Being cap strapped as they are....Saints could use some other help at WR, and maybe Edge or LB...but biggest need is at CB. 29. Packers. OT Liam Eichenberg. Packers have a need at OT....Eichenberg is a very Packers esque lineman....not the most impressive or imposing physical specimen....he is technically sound...and not prone to mistakes....very refined. smart. Not going to be much help for a team that runs screens etc...but the Packers aren't that kind of team. He can play left or right.... 30 BUFFALO BILLS ***TRADE*** .....the Denver Broncos Move up here to select.... LB Zaven Collins. The Broncos need a dynamic, do it all LB to really finish off their D. They considered it way up at pick 9...but opted for a more surefire player in Horn. Now they get their LB. The broncos are in win now mode and they are loading up. The Bills pick up some capital to move out of 30....I believe the players who will remain on the board at 40, suite the Bills well...and at better value than here at 30. 31. Chiefs EDGE Ronnie Perkins Most mocks have KC going with an OT here...some I have seen have Eichenberg...some with Leatherwood (not a fit) and I have seen some with KC taking an edge...Jason Oweh usually...but I have him already taken in this mock. I think Perkins is a guy the media isn't up to speed on and that pro teams have him ranked higher than media does. The Chiefs get a guy big enough to play on the edge, but who will need to learn gap discipline.....beyond that..he's got juice and high motor to get after the QB and wreck the backfield. 32. Buccs EDGE Gregory Rousseau the Buccs are pretty loaded.....and have the luxury of going for something of a luxury...another pass rusher. ROUND 2 33. Jags WR Terrace Marshall Talented WR.....Jags loading up for Lawrence. 34. Jets LB Micah Parsons Finally, Parsons goes after a big fall....the Jets will gamble that HC Saleh and staff can keep Parsons out of trouble and help him grow up. He's a major talent....lack of experience in coverage also a reason for this drop. 35. Falcons LB Jamin Davis Maybe not at the top of the list of needs, but Davis too good to pass here....dynamic do it all LB. 36. Dolphins RB Najee Harris Loading up on yet more of the Alabama offense.....RB here for the Dolphins...amazing the roster they've turned over in the past couple years. 37. Eagles LB Nick Bolton Dynamic LB are having a run here at the top of round 2. 38. Bengals OT Samuel Cosmi Bengals took Chase in round 1, and land a starting caliber OT here in round 2. 39. Panthers WR Rashod Bateman The Panters let Samuel Curtis walk this offseason...and do have a need at WR...they are stoked when Batemen falls to them here. 40 ***BUFFALO BILLS*** Having traded back with Denver...the Bills select RB Javonte Williams. Hear me out Bills fans....Williams is a physical back....who is a 3 down player....who excells in pass protection....and is known for broken tackles....he reminds me a ton of Steven Jackson. He could do A LOT...to help the Bills already high powered offense...be less one dimensional, and give them a guy that stays on the field all 3 downs, that does it ALL. I could not think of a player the Bills could add, who could do more to help NOW than this guy. (I am sure there are going to be a ton of you who don't agree) So because the Chiefs wasted a first round pick on a RB in round 1 last year you think that it is good strategy to select one this early?😉 RB's are still pretty easy to find.........especially in the Bills preferred outside zone blocking scheme which famously turned a lot of not highly regarded, one-cut runners into big producers..........blocking is always more important than the guy carrying the ball, but especially in this system. And needs change fast. The Chiefs had none last year but now they have some pretty big holes at OT and CB........two premium positions. It's never the right time to select a RB that early anymore. 1
mannc Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 19 minutes ago, Victory Formation said: I respectfully disagree. From my understanding he runs a 4.45, he is also 6’2 230lbs. So keep in mind that most safeties and DBs are 5’10-5’11 185-200lbs. Once a player like Harris gets moving, especially at 230lbs, these players can get seriously hurt trying to bring him down. Most of these guys when they see Harris running at them will whiff tackles because they realize they can get seriously hurt. It’s the same thing with Derrick Henry, except Harris can catch. He’s even big enough to punish many LBers in the NFL. Many of these guys are 220-230lbs now because they need to cover. If we do go offense RD1, I can’t think of a better option than Harris. He most definitely is not a 4.45 40 guy...Where did you read that? He’s more like 4.65 or even 4.7. He didn’t even run the 40 at his pro day. You think he would have opted out if he was a 4.4 or 4.5 guy? I’d guess he’ll be the third or 4th back off the board.
HappyDays Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: I could be way off, but I don’t think SF takes Fields. They need to win now (loyalty to coaches fades fast after two losing seasons regardless of circumstances), and he is just too much of a boom or bust player. Mac Jones has flaws, but he can play competently a LOT sooner than Fields, in my opinion. People forget that Kyle Shanhan led a couple championship caliber offenses with Matt Ryan as his QB. If he thinks Mac Jones has that kind of potential, no question in my mind he is the pick there. Fields' draft stock is getting boosted in mocks because now everyone thinks you need a mobile athletic QB to win. I doubt Shanahan sees it that way. He wants a QB that can play within the structure of his offense and make quick decisions. 3
NewEra Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 (edited) 27 minutes ago, mannc said: He most definitely is not a 4.45 40 guy...Where did you read that? He’s more like 4.65 or even 4.7. He didn’t even run the 40 at his pro day. You think he would have opted out if he was a 4.4 or 4.5 guy? I’d guess he’ll be the third or 4th back off the board. He was recovering from ankle injury......why would he run a 40? I’ll give you 4-1 odds that he isn’t the 4th or later rb off the board. My 100 to your 25. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.sportskeeda.com/amp/nfl/news-2021-college-pro-days-alabama-rb-najee-harris-run-drills-40-yard-dash i don’t believe that he ran a true 4.45 but you suggest a 4.7? Edited April 17, 2021 by NewEra
mannc Posted April 17, 2021 Posted April 17, 2021 1 minute ago, NewEra said: He was recovering from ankle injury......why would he run a 40? I’ll give you 4-1 odds that he isn’t the 4th or later rb off the board. My 100 to your 25. I’ll take it. $25?
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