PrimeTime101 Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) Jaelan Phillips Edge 6'5 265lbs #2 Edge player on many lists. Pro's He has a great swim move Upper body posture is solid Really good shedding people. Long Limbed with good hands Student of the game. Reads plays well. He does his homework and he has said he loves just watching film on people. Amazing first step Size is perfect for the NFL level with room for more growth Never gives up on plays. He will chase players till out of reach. He impressed against good teams Con's Needs to build more upper lower body strength. Not a ton but some. Lower body technique is a struggle at times While he did well against agile tackles, he had his struggles against heavier stronger tackle He tends to loose the edge at times His hitting the player is soft which is good with hitting QB's in todays NFL but will struggle against Power RB's Temper.. He does not play mean like the typical DE Who might take him before us? Giants they are looking for D'Line help but I think at 11 they get Barmore Jets Who knows what direction they go but this could be one of them. or they could trade this pick. Highlights Enjoy Eddited Con. 20 games played... its been a while Injury.. Yes he had a major concussion but read what he says.. it scared him as much as it injured him. He has been working at his game for a long time now with NFL level retired trainers. Injury is not an issue or he would of never been cleared. Again.. I did not post this to say we should get him.. I am just saying its possible and there are people in these forums that like him for the pick. I respect everyone's opinions on scouts like this... so should you Edited February 20, 2021 by PrimeTime101
NewEra Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 Tremendous talent. Should probably be the pick if he’s available or based on what he can do on the football field. the injuries issues are scary. The fact that he “retired” after his freshman season is also scary. Worth the risk imo
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, NewEra said: Tremendous talent. Should probably be the pick if he’s available or based on what he can do on the football field. the injuries issues are scary. The fact that he “retired” after his freshman season is also scary. Worth the risk imo What are the injury issues and the "retirement" after freshman season?
gobills404 Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 If we don't get Watt then I want Phillips more than any other player I've seen mocked to us so far.
dorquemada Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 I don’t know anything about this guy but the highlight reel looks like what we hoped we were getting in Epenesa. 1
Beast Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) We already have him. His name is AJ Epenesa. The Bills need another vet that has been there and done that. A legitimate terror to a QB. Edited February 20, 2021 by Beast 1 2
NewEra Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: What are the injury issues and the "retirement" after freshman season? https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2810995-ucla-lb-jaelan-phillips-will-medically-retire-due-to-injuries.amp.html
TheBeaneBandit Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 We'd probably need to trade up a good 10 spots or so.....
Aussie Joe Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Beast said: We already have him. His name is AJ Epenesa. The Bills need another vet that has been there and done that. A legitimate terror to a QB. Even if they bring in a Vet, they will probably need another guy to replace Murphy and Addison ( likely gone IMO) ... They need to get younger at the position so I wouldn’t hate another early draft pick.at DE .. not sure if this is the guy though that they should pick... 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: https://www.google.com/amp/s/syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2810995-ucla-lb-jaelan-phillips-will-medically-retire-due-to-injuries.amp.html He played for UCLA as a freshman, retired from football after suffering a concussion as a sophomore, transferred to Miami and sat out a season, then played 1 year at DE? So he's played 1 full season, and one season at DE, after playing 4 games as a freshman and 6 games as a sophomore? Anything is possible but I'd kind of like to see a guy with more playing experience 1 3
LEBills Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 He is talented, too many concussions. There are some talented smaller school pash rushers later in the draft (can sample, Emerson Smith, Tarron Jackson) that is where I think we will go for it. If we are gonna get better at pass rush it is probably coming through FA this year, IMO. 1
PrimeTime101 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Posted February 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, NewEra said: Tremendous talent. Should probably be the pick if he’s available or based on what he can do on the football field. the injuries issues are scary. The fact that he “retired” after his freshman season is also scary. Worth the risk imo The Injuries don't scar me... the one was a freak thing. That is why I left that out of cons.
Mr. WEO Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, NewEra said: Tremendous talent. Should probably be the pick if he’s available or based on what he can do on the football field. the injuries issues are scary. The fact that he “retired” after his freshman season is also scary. Worth the risk imo This kid has only played 20 games since high school (which was 5 years ago).
PrimeTime101 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Posted February 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, Beast said: We already have him. His name is AJ Epenesa. The Bills need another vet that has been there and done that. A legitimate terror to a QB. lol no... This guy is in such a higher class the AJ. 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: This kid has only played 20 games since high school (which was 5 years ago). the question is, will longevity be an issue? 18 minutes ago, Beast said: We already have him. His name is AJ Epenesa. The Bills need another vet that has been there and done that. A legitimate terror to a QB. I must add.. We are in cap hell. We can't get every player needed through FA. Build through the draft. 1
Rochesterfan Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 27 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: The Injuries don't scar me... the one was a freak thing. That is why I left that out of cons. The injuries don’t scare you on a guy that retired from college due to concussions? Huge Con and major Red Flag. The guy has played in 20 games over the last 5 years and most of them at a different position. Huge con and Red Flag. One year wonder at DE and has injury concerns - looks to be about Epensa level with maybe a bit more speed, but his hands aren’t as good and he has done it for significantly less time than AJ. I feel about him like AJ - if he falls to us after trading into the 2nd - then fine, but I am not sure with his age and his health concerns he is worthy of a 1st round pick with a potential 5th year option. Just don’t see him lasting in the NFL. 1 1
Beast Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 31 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: lol no... This guy is in such a higher class the AJ. OL no... He really isn't. 43 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Even if they bring in a Vet, they will probably need another guy to replace Murphy and Addison ( likely gone IMO) ... They need to get younger at the position so I wouldn’t hate another early draft pick.at DE .. not sure if this is the guy though that they should pick... I'll worry about the future in the future. Right now this team is vying for a Super Bowl Championship.
PrimeTime101 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Posted February 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said: The injuries don’t scare you on a guy that retired from college due to concussions? Huge Con and major Red Flag. The guy has played in 20 games over the last 5 years and most of them at a different position. Huge con and Red Flag. One year wonder at DE and has injury concerns - looks to be about Epensa level with maybe a bit more speed, but his hands aren’t as good and he has done it for significantly less time than AJ. I feel about him like AJ - if he falls to us after trading into the 2nd - then fine, but I am not sure with his age and his health concerns he is worthy of a 1st round pick with a potential 5th year option. Just don’t see him lasting in the NFL. No it doesn't''''' you cant predict when the big one comes and just cause hes had a major does not mean he cant take blows to the head.. he would NEVER be medically cleared if that were the case... NEVER by any DR. I agree with the 20 games.. i could add that.. hes way faster then AJ.. Speed on that first step.. he is quicker and its not even close. BUT... to slam his longevity over that injury is silliness. 4 minutes ago, Beast said: OL no... He really isn't. I'll worry about the future in the future. Right now this team is vying for a Super Bowl Championship. I didnt post this to battle as to if we should get him or not.. I posted this to get a better look at a guy we could get.... moving on...
stinky finger Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 40 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: This kid has only played 20 games since high school (which was 5 years ago). I did not know this. I was just looking at some highlight tapes. Looks impressive. Only 20 games?? What kind of ceiling does he have? I get the concerns whether injury, etc.
Rochesterfan Posted February 20, 2021 Posted February 20, 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: No it doesn't''''' you cant predict when the big one comes and just cause hes had a major does not mean he cant take blows to the head.. he would NEVER be medically cleared if that were the case... NEVER by any DR. I agree with the 20 games.. i could add that.. hes way faster then AJ.. Speed on that first step.. he is quicker and its not even close. BUT... to slam his longevity over that injury is silliness. Right up until he takes on a power RB - which you admit is a con as his technique is not great and has to retire again. His longevity due to the illness (concussions) is part of the issue and basically your Cons list reads like a billion other middling DEs. He is Shaq Lawson or AJ with less experience. He has speed, but lacks power and struggled against Tackles that could get a hold of him. Again - he has potential to grow, but the Red Flags are all there that he will be done with Football with another hit. Why start out with a guy in that boat. I might take a chance if he was far and away a stud player, but for a guy projected in the late 1st or early 2nd that has a number of flaws - I would let others take that risk. Edited February 20, 2021 by Rochesterfan
PrimeTime101 Posted February 20, 2021 Author Posted February 20, 2021 Just now, Rochesterfan said: Right up until he takes on a power RB - which you admit is a con as his technique is not great and has to retire again. His longevity due to the illness is part of the issue and basically you Cons list reads like a billion other middling DEs. He is Shaq Lawson or AJ with less experience. He has speed, but lacks power and struggled against Tackles that could get a hold of him. Again - he has potential to grow, but the Red Flags are all there that he will be done with Football with another hit. Why start out with a guy in that boat. I might take a chance if he was far and away a stud player, but for a guy projected in the late 1st or early 2nd that has a number of flaws - I would let others take that risk. now thats a conversation to be had. he needs muscle conditioning.. something you get much better of at the elite level. but yes thats a con. as far as that next hit... IF there was the possibility that the next hit could end him do you really think he would be medically cleared? the answer is an easy no. BUT everything else you have said I agree GG
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