K-9 Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, snafu said: This is the way is see it, too. I don’t think the Colts got better with this move vs. who they had at QB last year. Forget the passing stats, Wentz has an even longer way to go before he reaches Rivers’ mental ability at the position.
snafu Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 1 minute ago, K-9 said: Forget the passing stats, Wentz has an even longer way to go before he reaches Rivers’ mental ability at the position. Absolutely. Rivers experience and mental ability overcame the fact that he had no mobility. Maybe a better line protecting Wentz will slow thing down for him. Maybe being back with Reich will help, too. But you’re right that Rivers >>> Wentz when it comes to experience and smarts.
The Frankish Reich Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 7 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 1 - that’s why Allen needs to follow up with a great year. It does sound like Wentz wasn’t that popular in the lockerroom and that’s nit the case for Allen. 2 - foles was amazing in the playoffs but Wentz had better numbers across the board than Foles in the regular season. What Foles did was amazing but Wentz was awesome that year and the Eagles were awesome with him. Can’t really knock him for getting hurt. Oh, no argument there. Just as a general rule I tend to follow: every QB can have a lucky or "on" game or even a few games. But when your replacement takes over and (but for a short adjustment period) the offense loses nothing or even gets better over a decent sample size and against representative or better than typical opposition, I just have to wonder how critical the starting QB was to the offense's success.
whatdrought Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 36 minutes ago, prissythecat said: JP had a million dollar arm and a two cent brain. Zero awareness in pocket . Thats why he never made it. Chucking up bombs for Evans to try to run under was never going to be a successful game plan long term It was fun a couple times though...
The Frankish Reich Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 25 minutes ago, Billzfan37 said: I see a Carson Wentz turnaround of Ryan Tannehill proportions about to take place. They are the same player leaving the same situation. Yeah, maybe Wentz doesn't have a Derrick Henry but Jonathan Taylor is no slouch and they have pieces that can play, good tight ends, etc. Don't forget Wentz was probably taking the Eagles to the Super Bowl when Big D*!k Nick took them there just 3 seasons ago. Yeah, but people forget Tannehill was pretty good in his last year with the Dolphins. Odd to see a young QB plummet like Wentz, even with key offensive parts missing. Josh Freeman maybe?
Lv-Bills Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) Wentz blows. This is good for the Bills because this doesn't get the Colts over the top and will probably hold the Colts reasonably in check. It's not that I don't believe in his skills, or his talent, but usually when a guy plays scared and is afraid to pull the trigger, they are done. Wentz looked scared to fail. These are the type of guys that can look good for a game or two, and everyone wonders if they've turned it back around, but when the spotlight comes on, the moment is still too big. He's done. His confidence looks shot. He may look good winning a few 1pm games on Sunday against Jacksonville, but he's not the answer to win anything meaningful at this point. Just my opinion, but he doesn't look like an athlete that believes in himself anymore, and NFL guys will eat him alive. There's a lot of mental here that is getting in the way of his skill set. Edited February 19, 2021 by Lv-Bills
The Frankish Reich Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Lv-Bills said: Wentz blows. This is good for the Bills because this doesn't get the Colts over the top and will probably hold the Colts reasonably in check. It's not that I don't believe in his skills, or his talent, but usually when a guy plays scared and is afraid to pull the trigger, they are done. Wentz looked scared to fail. These are the type of guys that can look good for a game or two, and everyone wonders if they've turned it back around, but when the spotlight comes on, the moment is still too big. He's done. His confidence looks shot. He may look good winning a few 1pm games on Sunday against Jacksonville, but he's not the answer to win anything meaningful at this point. Just my opinion, but he doesn't look like an athlete that believes in himself anymore, and NFL guys will eat him alive. There's a lot of mental here that is getting in the way of his skill set. I think that's probably right. I guess I see the predicament Indy is in - the team is ready to go to the next level, but their QB is gone and there's probably no realistic option for getting a real franchise guy like Watson - but it's still a little odd that they're taking a flyer on Wentz. Obviously they don't believe a career solid game manager of the Teddy Bridgewater ilk (not much upside, but not much downside) is sufficient to go to a Super Bowl. So they're going in the boom or bust direction. Stafford may have been a better fit but I guess they didn't want to mortgage the future. So that leaves you with ... Wentz. 1
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, K-9 said: Forget the passing stats, Wentz has an even longer way to go before he reaches Rivers’ mental ability at the position. I don't know that I disagree, but please bear in mind: Frank Reich was Phil Rivers QB coach then OC for 3 years in San Diego - and they were years that saw Rivers return to a level of play he hadn't seen for a couple years Reich was the OC when Wentz was drafted, and when he looked pretty promising in 2016 and 2017 (33 TD, 7 INT, passer rating 101.9) If there's a guy on this planet who would understand the differences between the abilities of Carson Wentz and Philip Rivers (mental and physical), Reich would be that guy. And I have the impression the Colts are a fairly healthy situation right now, with the GM and HC working hand in glove. 1 hour ago, The Frankish Reich said: Yeah, but people forget Tannehill was pretty good in his last year with the Dolphins. Odd to see a young QB plummet like Wentz, even with key offensive parts missing. Josh Freeman maybe? Freeman, I believe, was a case of substance abuse overcoming talent. I don't think that last is an issue for Wentz - though with his injury history, one can't rule out a role for prescribed pain relievers. One can speculate, but it seems pretty clear that if nothing else, Doug Pederson's decision to take over the OC duties in 2020 was not a good choice either for Wentz, or for the team. 2
Milanos Milano Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 People will actually see how good Wentz is under the Colts. The right franchise for him to turn around and show his skills. 2 1
97bills Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 Who knows if wentz gets better but I bet my bottom dollar he is thrilled to get out of Philadelphia what a train wreck. Now a oline and a running back and a coach that knows him 4
4BillsintheBurgh Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 10 hours ago, Charles Romes said: Worth the risk to land a possible franchise QB. As we know you can swing and miss for decades. I don't know if I'd call what we were doing swinging and missing for a franchise qb.
97bills Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Lv-Bills said: Wentz blows. This is good for the Bills because this doesn't get the Colts over the top and will probably hold the Colts reasonably in check. It's not that I don't believe in his skills, or his talent, but usually when a guy plays scared and is afraid to pull the trigger, they are done. Wentz looked scared to fail. These are the type of guys that can look good for a game or two, and everyone wonders if they've turned it back around, but when the spotlight comes on, the moment is still too big. He's done. His confidence looks shot. He may look good winning a few 1pm games on Sunday against Jacksonville, but he's not the answer to win anything meaningful at this point. Just my opinion, but he doesn't look like an athlete that believes in himself anymore, and NFL guys will eat him alive. There's a lot of mental here that is getting in the way of his skill set. Yea but going to a place we’re guys are going to lift you up in a metal way and a coach that’s knows him will do miracles. On top of a oline with a running back and defense and sometimes just going to a new city I bet he fills like a ton of bricks lifted of his chest 1
Bag of Milk Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) If you have a few minutes, I highly recommend you watch the following clip on Carson Wentz and a young fan who looked up to him. I will always root for Carson Wentz because of it. It's so much deeper than football and so much more than just a game.... Edited February 19, 2021 by Bag of Milk
Southern_Bills Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 I view this alot like when we got what a 6th for Darius? Pretty much the Colts were probably the only team interested because of the relationship the HC has with the player. Good move by both teams. Colts potentially get a QB for cheap and the Eagles "might" get a 1st and a 2nd for a player most wouldn't touch.
Norcalbillsfan Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 12 hours ago, TonyBeets said: I know most will disagree but Colts will surprise a lot of people offensively. Reich knows what he has in Wentz, and he also knows how the get the most out of him. Scary team Thank you, so many people calling me crazy for saying this exact thing. Reich knows exactly how to utilize Wentz, reich was the mastermind behind wentzs almost mvp season. And people forget Wentz was getting murdered behind the eagles o line. Now he goes to one of the best. Great diversity at RB duo, and some young emerging wrs. Excellent defense. Im not saying Wentz is still mvp caliber, but the Colts will be a serious AFC team. 2
Norcalbillsfan Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, RunJoshRun said: Wentz is not a top tier QB any way you slice it!! Either was foles, but Reichs offense made foles and Wentz look elite, and Wentz put up elite numbers under reich. Now Wentz is back with Reich, with a better Oline and better D.
SydneyBillsFan Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 12 hours ago, Beast said: I think this move tells me the Jets may be set with Sam Darnold because, even though I know more QB's are available, I thought Darnold had Colts written all over him. In fact, I'd rather have Darnold than Wentz. I think Wentz's best beats Darnold's best.... Philly's o-line offered him as much protection as a fishnet condom....he will have way more time in the pocket in Indy. Would not shock me at all to see Indy go all the way next season. 1
BillsShredder83 Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 2 hours ago, RunJoshRun said: Wentz is not a top tier QB any way you slice it!! Point is he doesn't have to be. Plug him in that offense and I think they're good to go!
Freddie's Dead Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 Frank is a QB whisperer and coached Wentz to his best football. Colts will be a very tough out if Frank can turn Wentz around.
GunnerBill Posted February 19, 2021 Posted February 19, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Even with a clean pocket, Wentz was bad. Lots of sacks were problems reading the Defense or finding his receivers. He's had only 2 full seasons. He's had 1 pretty good season--and couldn't finish, relying on a backup QB to win his franchise a SB. The next season he was 5-6 with only 21 TDs.....before being injured again. Last year he couldn't finish the season because he stunk the place up. He's the opposite of a leader---including in the locker room. The Colts may not even be the best team in their division now. Agreed. By the time he was benched in Philly he was a completely broken Quarterback. His footwork has become absolutely atrocious, his decision making was disgusting and he had they yips when it came to actually getting the ball out. This isn't just a case of stick him behind a good line (albeit one that just lost its left tackle) and hey presto. This is a guy who needs rebuilding from the ground up. Confidence, fundamentals, technique, how to play the position. I'd like a penny for Chris Ballard's thoughts on this. I sense this is a situation where he has just said "okay Frank I trust you". Because a guy as talented in evaluating talent as Ballard can't possibly have looked at the tape and thought "this was just a bad situation in Philly." 2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Point is he doesn't have to be. Plug him in that offense and I think they're good to go! He has to no be the worst Quarterback in football which he was in 2020. 2 hours ago, SydneyBillsFan said: I think Wentz's best beats Darnold's best.... Philly's o-line offered him as much protection as a fishnet condom....he will have way more time in the pocket in Indy. Would not shock me at all to see Indy go all the way next season. Even when he has time in the pocket he holds the ball for a fortnight, has to prepare his arm three time before he can actually force the ball out and ends up chucking it down the field when he has 3 open guys underneath. I really do not think people are grasping how big of a job this is for Reich. Wentz is fundamentally broken. Edited February 19, 2021 by GunnerBill 1
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