SoTier Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 7 hours ago, Tenhigh said: You really don't see how over the top your discussions are with people on this part of the board? I'm guessing some of it must be because I'm probably a bit older than you, and this is how your generation learned to converse, at least online. Pot meet kettle. 48 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: That’s pretty poor. I understand how the wind turbines and supporting batteries being hit much worse proportionately would lead to thinking if it was all wind it might have been a worse situation, but green new deal is irrelevant to the current grid. Too bad that was the message. Garbage. the feds don’t restore my power when it goes out, pepco does. Do people really not understand where their utility payments go? I cannot believe we live in a world where there are so many people so disconnected with reality they think the federal government provides or would actually be capable of providing their water, power, internet probably cell phone coverage. Please for the love of god... verify where you send your utility payments then look up those companies. Understand they do not all work directly for the president of the us. 😳 All levels of government -- federal, state, local -- have a responsibility to "provide for the general welfare" which includes protecting residents of their jurisdictions from natural or man-made dangers that can be anticipated. Which level of government has the most responsibility depends upon whether the problem affects people in numerous states or within one state or within a local area within a state. In the case of Texas, 150 power plants of nearly 700 in the state have failed -- apparently all within the Texas grid -- which puts the problem on the state level. The Texas electric grid has failed twice before under severe winter weather, in 1989 and again in 2011, so the state can't pretend this failure couldn't have been anticipated, and the solution would have been to require the power plants in Texas to be winterized as they obviously have been in neighboring states like Oklahoma. That's where the government of Texas failed its residents. It created its own in-state power grid to avoid federal regulation and then created a non-profit organization to manage the Texas grid to absolve the state from its responsibility. 3
BillStime Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 For those worried about Ted Cruz - he’s safe in Cancun! Typical QOP.
Motorin' Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 56 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: what are the learning objectives? I don’t blame Texas for isolating. This country is a shocking disaster. The New Deal started a number of federal initiatives. The Tennesee Valley Authority is a great example. The TVA provides power to about 10 million people. They generate over 10 billion I revenue and over 1 billion in net profits per year. They have paid back all of the Federal money invested in it. They pay the federal government equity payments, and reinvest the remaining profits into their infrastructure upkeep and in regional economic development, job creation, business loans ect. They are more reliable than Pepco or ComEd, have lower rates, and turn a profit for both the government and region. You and I both pay companies owned by Excelon, who is in business to generate profits for their investors. When it comes to public utilities that benefit all citizens, I would much rather pay less per month to a government owned corporation and have the revenue inturn reinvested in my local region while reducing my federal tax burden. 4 1
BillStime Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: The New Deal started a number of federal initiatives. The Tennesee Valley Authority is a great example. The TVA provides power to about 10 million people. They generate over 10 billion I revenue and over 1 billion in net profits per year. They have paid back all of the Federal money invested in it. They pay the federal government equity payments, and reinvest the remaining profits into their infrastructure upkeep and in regional economic development, job creation, business loans ect. They are more reliable than Pepco or ComEd, have lower rates, and turn a profit for both the government and region. You and I both pay companies owned by Excelon, who is in business to generate profits for their investors. When it comes to public utilities that benefit all citizens, I would much rather pay less per month to a government owned corporation and have the revenue inturn reinvested in my local region while reducing my federal tax burden. Thoughts on the NY Power Authority?
billsfan89 Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 10 minutes ago, Motorin' said: The New Deal started a number of federal initiatives. The Tennesee Valley Authority is a great example. The TVA provides power to about 10 million people. They generate over 10 billion I revenue and over 1 billion in net profits per year. They have paid back all of the Federal money invested in it. They pay the federal government equity payments, and reinvest the remaining profits into their infrastructure upkeep and in regional economic development, job creation, business loans ect. They are more reliable than Pepco or ComEd, have lower rates, and turn a profit for both the government and region. You and I both pay companies owned by Excelon, who is in business to generate profits for their investors. When it comes to public utilities that benefit all citizens, I would much rather pay less per month to a government owned corporation and have the revenue inturn reinvested in my local region while reducing my federal tax burden. The USA turning its back on the New Deal Era policies since the early 80's has really screwed this county over. One of the reasons for the post WWII boom was the fact the USA had been spending the previous 10 years prior to entering the war building hospitals, roads, trails for national and local parks, dams, power and phone lines and various other types of infrastructure. 2
Motorin' Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 16 minutes ago, BillStime said: Thoughts on the NY Power Authority? I wonder if the guys telling us we'll need to eat our dogs if we adopt socialist polices think the Niagra Falls power plant should be owned by foreign companies like NationalGrid, or if they're ok with it being owned by NY State. 1
Tiberius Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 6 hours ago, BillStime said: For those worried about Ted Cruz - he’s safe in Cancun! Typical QOP. What a pos 5 hours ago, billsfan89 said: The USA turning its back on the New Deal Era policies since the early 80's has really screwed this county over. One of the reasons for the post WWII boom was the fact the USA had been spending the previous 10 years prior to entering the war building hospitals, roads, trails for national and local parks, dams, power and phone lines and various other types of infrastructure. And the Eisenhower followed up with the interstate highway act, the biggest public works project in history. Investing in America works. China seems to get that new infrastructure is important, the Republicans, not so much
SoTier Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 5 hours ago, BillStime said: Thoughts on the NY Power Authority? It's a state version of the TVA, which isn't surprising since it was created in 1931 by then NY governor Franklin Roosevelt. It produces some of the lowest cost electricity in the nation, about 70% of it from renewable energy produced by its massive hydroelectric generating facilities at Niagara Falls and Massena. It sells power to consumers via private electric utility companies such as National Grid which are required to pass those savings on to their customers. I believe it also sells low cost power directly to large industrial facilities within the state. 1
SoTier Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 5 hours ago, Motorin' said: I wonder if the guys telling us we'll need to eat our dogs if we adopt socialist polices think the Niagra Falls power plant should be owned by foreign companies like NationalGrid, or if they're ok with it being owned by NY State. The little city I live in, Jamestown, has had "public power", ie government owned electric system, since the 1890s. It has provided cheap, reliable power to both the City of Jamestown and the Town of Ellicott for 130 years. There are a number of small scale publicly-owned electric utilities and co-operatives scattered throughout upstate NY. 2
Tiberius Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 24 minutes ago, SoTier said: It's a state version of the TVA, which isn't surprising since it was created in 1931 by then NY governor Franklin Roosevelt. It produces some of the lowest cost electricity in the nation, about 70% of it from renewable energy produced by its massive hydroelectric generating facilities at Niagara Falls and Massena. It sells power to consumers via private electric utility companies such as National Grid which are required to pass those savings on to their customers. I believe it also sells low cost power directly to large industrial facilities within the state. I’m sure you have seen the wind farms growing throughout the southern tier. Nice to see!
Tenhigh Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 9 hours ago, SoTier said: Pot meet kettle. Am I the pot and you are the kettle? Or him? If you can find an example of me acting toward anyone on this board the way that Tibs acts, I would love to see it. I try to have rational discussions with people of different viewpoints. Lots here aren't interested in that, and it sucks.
All_Pro_Bills Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, SoTier said: Pot meet kettle. All levels of government -- federal, state, local -- have a responsibility to "provide for the general welfare" which includes protecting residents of their jurisdictions from natural or man-made dangers that can be anticipated. Which level of government has the most responsibility depends upon whether the problem affects people in numerous states or within one state or within a local area within a state. In the case of Texas, 150 power plants of nearly 700 in the state have failed -- apparently all within the Texas grid -- which puts the problem on the state level. The Texas electric grid has failed twice before under severe winter weather, in 1989 and again in 2011, so the state can't pretend this failure couldn't have been anticipated, and the solution would have been to require the power plants in Texas to be winterized as they obviously have been in neighboring states like Oklahoma. That's where the government of Texas failed its residents. It created its own in-state power grid to avoid federal regulation and then created a non-profit organization to manage the Texas grid to absolve the state from its responsibility. I hear what you're saying and think you're on the right track here. And from the posts we don't usually agree. A distinction to our views might be you may perceive this as some type of negligence rather than how I see it as a conscious choice. In my view you get what you pay for? Right? If you want to live in a state that provides its citizen's "more freedom" from government oversight and over-reach and interference in every day life and as a result has little regulation and low/no state income taxes and a cheaper cost of living vs. liberal nanny state States and limited government authority which leaves a lot of things to the private sector to sort out and determine then you need to at least understand and acknowledge what potential risks and rewards that set up might produce. So if the residents of Texas want to pay for the "risk mitigation cost" of taking the precautions of insuring this condition never occurs again they can do that by putting up the funds in one form or another to eliminate the risks. Reminds me of what we say in project management, good, fast, or cheap. Pick 2. Edited February 18, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills
716er Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 Glad to see Ted's vacation was worth diverting resources during a natural disaster
billsfan89 Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 6 hours ago, Tiberius said: And the Eisenhower followed up with the interstate highway act, the biggest public works project in history. Investing in America works. China seems to get that new infrastructure is important, the Republicans, not so much The Dems also fail to seize their opportunities (The GOP is far worse definitely the worse of two evils). The Obama era stimulus deal (and the first two years of the Obama era in general) was a big opportunity to actually push massive infrastructure programs forward. I think 40% of the stimulus was tax cuts as an example. America needs a New New Deal badly. Without bold and proper government infrastructure programs the can really can't be kicked down the road any longer. 1
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted February 18, 2021 Posted February 18, 2021 (edited) This Cruz triggering is hilarious.. I’m no fan of his but wow. Also while he is directly quoted as saying his daughters had a planned get away with friends and he just traveled with them and then returned working the whole time, the stories don’t mention that... see AP headline and they only quoted the ‘took them down there’ out of context. Man AP really disappoints me... I really once believed they were reputable news source and not a the enquirer https://apnews.com/article/b0cdc326db95bf25d93de9e877e05862 Edited February 18, 2021 by Over 29 years of fanhood 1
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