cle23 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: Attack the source. How predictable. You know what Julie Kelly serves as? The other side of the story about J6 that's verboten by a corrupt one sided partisan committee. That ALONE makes her reporting based on actual videos, court documents etc. worth paying attention to. Actual primary source evidence aren't "conspiracy theories" unless you want to use it as an excuse to ignore it. We all know the official version of J6 events, the question is whether you and others choose to consider evidence from the other side, or just keep swallowing committee spoonfed propaganda. So you took the first point and ignored the rest. And yes, when someone keeps using Kelly as the factual side of J6, and she is very clearly 100% full of crap, then yes, I will "attack the source." How is that any different than you claiming everyone and everything related to J6 is corrupt on the other side? Look, I am all for looking at things from multiple points of view. Julie Kelly isn't that. She is literally the exact same thing you claim the committee is, just on the opposite side of the political spectrum. So constantly posting her crap and claiming it as fact doesn't help anything. Edited July 22, 2022 by cle23 1
BillsFanNC Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 2 minutes ago, cle23 said: So you took the first point and ignored the rest. Look, I am all for looking at things from multiple points of view. Julie Kelly isn't that. She is literally the exact same thing you claim the committee is, just on the opposite side of the political spectrum. So constantly posting her crap and claiming it as fact doesn't help anything. No I didn't. I addressed Ashli Babbits cremation at the request of the DC medical examiner in another post. And she may be exactly that, which is precisely why we have an adversarial justice system in this country, not political theater show trials. Edited July 22, 2022 by DRsGhost
cle23 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 5 minutes ago, DRsGhost said: DC medical examiner requested her body be cremated according to official documents. https://www.judicialwatch.org/just-the-news-babbitt/ The Washington D.C. Offices of the Chief Medical Examiner submitted a request to cremate Jan. 6 Capitol protester Ashli Babbitt two days after gaining custody of the body, according to documents obtained and released Tuesday by conservative watchdog Judicial Watch. From your own article: However, neither Judicial Watch nor the medical examiner’s officer could confirm Tuesday whether the entry meant the application or the cremation was successful. So they are claiming she was cremated in 2 days, yet admit they don't know what the request actually meant. Her own mother said she was cremated according to her wishes.
Tiberius Posted July 22, 2022 Author Posted July 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, Doc said: Wait, what? Actually she is still alive. Biden sent her off to Ukraine to infiltrate the Russian army
BillsFanNC Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Just now, cle23 said: From your own article: However, neither Judicial Watch nor the medical examiner’s officer could confirm Tuesday whether the entry meant the application or the cremation was successful. So they are claiming she was cremated in 2 days, yet admit they don't know what the request actually meant. Her own mother said she was cremated according to her wishes. It may have very well been her wishes, but it doesn't mean it was performed at her mother's request after she was murdered. The document shows that the DC medical examiner made the request. 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, DRsGhost said: What about the speech where he asked everyone to be peaceful and the two previous tweets where he asked for no violence and obey law enforcement? Those were ineffective, and only the last one worked, right? Otherwise this marauding band of unarmed tourists would have successfully finished the coup! Note to self. If you're planning an insurrection anytime soon make sure your plan has a chance of working. Study past successful insurrection events around the world and in history. More importantly study failures, like 1/6. Identify the traits and resources necessary for success. Learn what mistakes to avoid, how to be discreet and careful in preparation and planning. You don't want to tip off anyone. Make sure your assault team is not composed of a majority of people that are over 60 and out of shape with multiple health issues. Like being over-weight. Over-weight insurrectionists are slow and cannot carry a lot of weapons and ammunition. They are easy targets for trained marksman and security officers. And they get tired really fast and need to stop and rest frequently. Take their phones away too. That will remove the temptation to waste time by stopping to take a lot of selfies. You need to do this fast and execution of the plan needs to be precise. I'll say it again for emphasis and importance. You need able bodied battle ready well-armed warriors to make this work. This is the number one critical success factor. No slow unarmed fat old guys stopping to rest and take pictures. Do dress rehearsals or if you prefer proof of concept attempts at an insurrection. Start small, like attempting a takeover of your local DMV office. Move on to bigger targets to gain some expertise, get a feel for things, and shake out your plan. Now you're ready! Edited July 22, 2022 by All_Pro_Bills 1
ALF Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 The Capital and DC police knew the Trump rally Jan 6 could turn violent with weeks notice. They should have been ready in riot gear , gas masks and plenty of tear gas . Why they were not allowed to be ready is the question I have. 1 1
cle23 Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 1 hour ago, DRsGhost said: It may have very well been her wishes, but it doesn't mean it was performed at her mother's request after she was murdered. The document shows that the DC medical examiner made the request. Enough with the "murder" crap too. If you are in your home and I am coming into the broken door/window like Babbitt was, you wouldn't shoot? Because I would.
BillStime Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 7 minutes ago, cle23 said: Enough with the "murder" crap too. If you are in your home and I am coming into the broken door/window like Babbitt was, you wouldn't shoot? Because I would. She was cremated at the family's request... don't let DR continue to push lies sourcing Judicial Watch, a known disinformation purveyor... Ashli Babbitt Cremation Request - Truth or Fiction? 1
ChiGoose Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 13 minutes ago, BillStime said: She was cremated at the family's request... don't let DR continue to push lies sourcing Judicial Watch, a known disinformation purveyor... Ashli Babbitt Cremation Request - Truth or Fiction? Like, what is the conspiracy here? We saw her get shot and killed, the officer said he shot her, what would they be covering up by cremating her? Let me guess, she actually survived the shooting, but the gunshot wound revealed that she was one of the people that Bill Gates implanted a 5G chip in via a vaccine. If they let her out, it would reveal that (((Soros))) was using the chips to communicate with the Italian satellites to change votes in Dominion machines. So they called Hillary Clinton who came in and used spirit cooking to secretly kill Babbitt at the hospital. To cover all of this up, the medical examiner, who is on the (((Rothschild))) payroll, cremated the body and prevented Babbitt's family from discovering the truth. Then, to celebrate the completed mission, the deep state all got together at the basement of Comet Ping Pong to eat babies and fill in mail-in ballots. Edited July 22, 2022 by ChiGoose Something... something... Seth Rich 1
SoCal Deek Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 (edited) 2 hours ago, ChiGoose said: I normally don't feed the trolls, but I wanted to clarify this in case anyone thinks this is a good point. For the purposes of this post alone, I will concede that Trump saying peacefully means he didn't incite anything and that this was all on the mob or the FBI or whatever. We have video, from the rioters themselves, checking Trump's posts during the riot. At one point, he tweeted about the Capitol Police being good and that they shouldn't harm them. The reaction to this from one of the rioters was "well, he didn't say not to harm the members of Congress" Then, later, when Trump finally releases the video calling for everyone to go home (after getting them to omit the word "yesterday" because it was too hard), the rioters see that and believe that they are being ordered by Trump to leave, so they do so. Here is the video of the shooting: https://www.nbcnews.com/video/capitol-shooting-that-led-to-ashli-babbitt-s-death-captured-on-video-99180613572 You can see the officer's gun on the left, and you can see Babbitt climbing through the door on the right. The family would have *a* case, but I don't think it would be a slam dunk. They could definitely win it, but given the facts of the case and how cases about police shootings have gone, I would think the officer would be more likely to be acquitted than convicted. I doubt it. This would come to a ‘standard of care’ case. The question would be what would another officer have done if/when faced with the same set of circumstances. And we know exactly what they would have done because there were dozens of other officers there who didn’t discharge their weapon even as a warning shot. I’m guessing the jury would find for the victim…and pretty darn quickly. Again none of this makes the victim right, but the officer is clearly guilty of negligence. Edited July 22, 2022 by SoCal Deek 1
yall Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 24 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: Like, what is the conspiracy here? We saw her get shot and killed, the officer said he shot her, what would they be covering up by cremating her? Let me guess, she actually survived the shooting, but the gunshot wound revealed that she was one of the people that Bill Gates implanted a 5G chip in via a vaccine. If they let her out, it would reveal that (((Soros))) was using the chips to communicate with the Italian satellites to change votes in Dominion machines. So they called Hillary Clinton who came in and used spirit cooking to secretly kill Babbitt at the hospital. To cover all of this up, the medical examiner, who is on the (((Rothschild))) payroll, cremated the body and prevented Babbitt's family from discovering the truth. Then, to celebrate the completed mission, the deep state all got together at the basement of Comet Ping Pong to eat babies and fill in mail-in ballots. Obviously the autopsy would reveal her as a lizard person, imbedded amongst the true patriot protesters as an FBI plant. It's right in front of your eyes if you cared to see. #Sheeple #PrisonPlanet 1
ChiGoose Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 16 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I doubt it. This would come to a ‘standard of care’ case. The question would be what would another officer have done if/when faced with the same set of circumstances. And we know exactly what they would have done because there were dozens of other officers there who didn’t discharge their weapon even as a warning shot. I’m guessing the jury would find for the victim…and pretty darn quickly. Again none of this makes the victim right, but the officer is clearly guilty of negligence. I found this discussion on the shooting by two law professors and a former deputy police chief. They seem to believe there are doubts about if the cop acted properly but ultimately conclude that a lawsuit would likely be unsuccessful. I recommend the whole article, but here is their summary: Quote The limited public information that exists raises serious questions about the propriety of Byrd’s decision to shoot, especially with regard to the assessment that Babbitt was an imminent threat. To belabor the obvious, though, we cannot definitively analyze a situation without the relevant facts, and there is a frustrating shortage of facts. But there are enough facts to conclude that even if Byrd violated Babbitt’s Fourth Amendment rights, it is highly unlikely that he could be ethically charged with, let alone convicted of, a crime.
Gene Frenkle Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 3 hours ago, Westside said: Ahhhh……the lemming speaks. Go back to the cult of the Democratic Party. It took you more than a week to come up with that response? 2 hours ago, DRsGhost said: Attack the source. How predictable. You know what Julie Kelly serves as? The other side of the story about J6 that's verboten by a corrupt one sided partisan committee. That ALONE makes her reporting based on actual videos, court documents etc. worth paying attention to. Actual primary source evidence aren't "conspiracy theories" unless you want to use it as an excuse to ignore it. We all know the official version of J6 events, the question is whether you and others choose to consider evidence from the other side, or just keep swallowing committee spoonfed propaganda. Julie Kelly - cOnSpIrAcY HERO! 1
SoCal Deek Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 14 minutes ago, ChiGoose said: I found this discussion on the shooting by two law professors and a former deputy police chief. They seem to believe there are doubts about if the cop acted properly but ultimately conclude that a lawsuit would likely be unsuccessful. I recommend the whole article, but here is their summary: Well that’s what the trial would determine. Unfortunately there won’t be one. And that’s my problem with the entirety of the Select Committee. They’re akin to a Grand Jury (as Tbs correctly cited a few weeks ago) but they’re doing it in public, which is a terrible miscarriage of our legal system, regardless of party or affiliation.
ChiGoose Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Well that’s what the trial would determine. Unfortunately there won’t be one. And that’s my problem with the entirety of the Select Committee. They’re akin to a Grand Jury (as Tbs correctly cited a few weeks ago) but they’re doing it in public, which is a terrible miscarriage of our legal system, regardless of party or affiliation. I would disagree with Tbs on that. It's not a judicial hearing or a grand jury. It's a congressional hearing. Nobody's rights have been violated and the committee doesn't have the power to punish anyone.
SoCal Deek Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Just now, ChiGoose said: I would disagree with Tbs on that. It's not a judicial hearing or a grand jury. It's a congressional hearing. Nobody's rights have been violated and the committee doesn't have the power to punish anyone. I didn’t say it was a Grand Jury! Ugh! The problem is that there isn’t a defense, legitimate questioning, or even balanced inquiry. This is NOT a hearing of anything! It’s become a presentation. There’s a HUGE difference. This is essentially a smear campaign being played out on national television at taxpayers expense. You really don’t see how wrong this is? Really? 1 1
BillsFanNC Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 10 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I didn’t say it was a Grand Jury! Ugh! The problem is that there isn’t a defense, legitimate questioning, or even balanced inquiry. This is NOT a hearing of anything! It’s become a presentation. There’s a HUGE difference. This is essentially a smear campaign being played out on national television at taxpayers expense. You really don’t see how wrong this is? Really? He'll never hear you. The investigation found.... and testimony under oath... Are the fallback time and again. He's swallowed the clown show load whole and with religious zeal. 1 1
SoCal Deek Posted July 22, 2022 Posted July 22, 2022 Just now, DRsGhost said: He'll never hear you. The investigation found.... and testimony under oath... Are the fallback time and again. He's swallowed the clown show load whole and with religious zeal. If this is only a ‘hearing’ and not a court proceeding then what the whole ‘under oath’ thing about? I gave a public presentation in a public hearing just last night, and it wasn’t ‘under oath’. (I was truthful none the less. 😉)
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