Beast Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, daz28 said: It's really too bad that Trump wouldn't allow Biden's team access, because he was selling his won by a landslide BS instead. President Biden announced Thursday his administration has finalized an order for 200 million more doses of COVID-19 vaccine to be delivered by July 2021, adding to the 400 million doses that the Trump administration had already ordered from Pfizer and Moderna by that date. The two drug companies both produce a two-shot regimen, so the total 600 million doses will vaccinate 300 million people — most of the U.S. population. "Within three weeks, round-the-clock work of so many people, people standing behind me and in front of me, we've now purchased enough vaccine supply to vaccinate all Americans and now we're working to get those vaccines in the arms of millions of people," Mr. Biden said in remarks at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). I didn't understand your first paragraph. At all. And where is the source for the rest, or are those your own words?
daz28 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 minute ago, Beast said: I didn't understand your first paragraph. At all. And where is the source for the rest, or are those your own words? Trump was limiting Biden's team access to most federal resources, because he didn't want to concede. IOW, Biden couldn't get a head start. They are Biden's remarks at the National Institute of Health just like it says.
Beast Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, daz28 said: Trump was limiting Biden's team access to most federal resources, because he didn't want to concede. IOW, Biden couldn't get a head start. They are Biden's remarks at the National Institute of Health just like it says. On October 15th, Biden said he had a plan...yet we never heard what it was. You'd think someone that had a plan to help with the pandemic would have been a little more forthcoming or was he OK with people dying at the hands of the big, bad orange man? Biden never had a plan. He still doesn't...... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html Anything to do with vaccines can be credited to the last President. Edited February 14, 2021 by Beast
daz28 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 20 minutes ago, Beast said: On October 15th, Biden said he had a plan...yet we never heard what it was. You'd think someone that had a plan to help with the pandemic would have been a little more forthcoming or was he OK with people dying at the hands of the big, bad orange man? Biden never had a plan. He still doesn't...... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html Anything to do with vaccines can be credited to the last President. There's a lot more to it than just vaccine.
WideNine Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 5 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: The current President inherited a country with a stocked cabinet of PPE, ventilators and three working vaccines. That’s a lot better position than the last President inherited. That just a fact. The reason people are pointing out the Biden deaths is BECAUSE all of this is silly! Neither President is responsible for Covid deaths. The virus is all over the planet for God’s sake. Not quite. The reason folks blame Trump's administration is rather than tell the truth and promote safe quarantine practices he worried about how it would negatively effect his reelection and lied. His administration's haphazard response was criticized, but he went to his usual playbook of blaming the Obama administration for not leaving any pandemic playbook. McConnell echoed the excuse, but it was a lie and what needed to be done was laid out by the prior administration (see below); he chose to wing it. https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/6819268/Pandemic-Playbook.pdf If any of you have the capacity to read more than a tweet worth of info, read the domestic response to an airborne pathogen sections. They are eerily exactly what we ended up doing, but far too late to prevent the US from having the worst response of developed nations. He and his GOP governors made mask-wearing synonymous with being on the political left. Partook and did nothing to discourage superspreader maskless events. A real leader would have told the American people what he knew, "it spreads easily thru the air", "we need everyone to work together wearing facial coverings and social distancing till we can stock up on needed equipment". Instead he lied and said it was just like the flu and they would have a vaccine soon. I do not get the twisting of the truth to paint a narrative where Trump and his administration did the right thing handling this pandemic. Had Biden botched this so terribly you can bet I would be calling out the epic failure.
Backintheday544 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 4 hours ago, Doc said: Democrats controlled the Government from January 3, 2009-January 3, 2011 and held the Senate until January 3, 2015. H1N1 hit the US in April 2009. It was on Obama. Great revisionist history there. It also ignores the years Trump could have. But what really happened: https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stockpile-funding-unprepared-coronavirus After using up the swine flu emergency funds, the Obama administration tried to replenish the stockpile in 2011 by asking Congress to provide $655 million, up from the previous year’s budget of less than $600 million. Responding to swine flu, which the CDC estimated killed more than 12,000 people in the United States over the course of a year, had required the largest deployment in the stockpile’s history, including nearly 20 million pieces of personal protective equipment and more than 85 million N95 masks, according to a 2016 reportpublished by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine. “We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.” Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare. Congressional Republicans, led by Mitch McConnell in the Senate and House Speaker John Boehner, leveraged the debt ceiling — a limit on the government’s borrowing ability that had to be raised — to insist that the Obama administration accept federal spending curbs. The compromise, codified in the 2011 Budget Control Act, required a bipartisan “super committee” to find additional ways to reduce the deficit, or else it would trigger automatic across-the-board cuts known as “sequestration.” Even in the aftermath of the swine flu pandemic, the stockpile wasn’t a priority then. Without a full committee markup, Rehberg introduced a bill that provided $522.5 million to the stockpile, about 12% less than the previous year and $132 million less than the administration wanted. “Nobody got everything they wanted,” Rehberg said. 1
daz28 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 12 minutes ago, WideNine said: If any of you have the capacity to read more than a tweet worth of info Your average Trumper's information usually comes as a picture of Nancy Pelosi with one sentence of 'common sense'. 1
Backintheday544 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 47 minutes ago, Beast said: On October 15th, Biden said he had a plan...yet we never heard what it was. You'd think someone that had a plan to help with the pandemic would have been a little more forthcoming or was he OK with people dying at the hands of the big, bad orange man? Biden never had a plan. He still doesn't...... https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cnbc.com/amp/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html Anything to do with vaccines can be credited to the last President. Biden COVID plan that’s been out since January: https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/National-Strategy-for-the-COVID-19-Response-and-Pandemic-Preparedness.pdf 1 1
Beast Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 28 minutes ago, daz28 said: There's a lot more to it than just vaccine. Right. The Left is also into killing small business. There's that.
daz28 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Beast said: Right. The Left is also into killing small business. There's that. On the bright side it's been a while since I've heard about Hillary's e-mails. 6 minutes ago, Beast said: Right. The Left is also into killing small business. There's that. This is how your boy Trump and Mnutia helped small businesses: — An Associated Press investigation has found that scores of Roman Catholic dioceses in the U.S. had more than $10 billion in cash and other readily available funds when they received at least $1.5 billion from the federal government’s small business emergency relief program. The Paycheck Protection Program was intended for employers who were badly battered by coronavirus lockdowns. Instead of suffering financially, however, many dioceses are reporting in audited financial statements that these assets ended up growing during the economic downturn. Overall, Catholic Church recipients were perhaps the paycheck program’s biggest beneficiaries. Church officials say they needed government relief to pay staff because donations from the faithful slowed when churches were ordered to close. Just curious, do you Trumpanzies ever get tired of being pwned. I'd imagine it's exhausting. Edited February 14, 2021 by daz28
Motorin' Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 6 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: My aunt died last week. Sorry to hear that. Too often the most important things get lost in all the arguing over things we have little to no control. I may or may not disagree with you about everything. But I truly hope for nothing but the best and you and your family. And that goes for everyone. 1
Doc Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Great revisionist history there. It also ignores the years Trump could have. But what really happened: https://www.propublica.org/article/us-emergency-medical-stockpile-funding-unprepared-coronavirus After using up the swine flu emergency funds, the Obama administration tried to replenish the stockpile in 2011 by asking Congress to provide $655 million, up from the previous year’s budget of less than $600 million. Responding to swine flu, which the CDC estimated killed more than 12,000 people in the United States over the course of a year, had required the largest deployment in the stockpile’s history, including nearly 20 million pieces of personal protective equipment and more than 85 million N95 masks, according to a 2016 reportpublished by the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine. “We recognized the need for replenishment of the stockpile and budgeted about a 10% increase,” said Dr. Nicole Lurie, who served as the assistant secretary for preparedness and response at the Department of Health and Human Services during the Obama administration. “That was rejected by the Republican House.” Republicans took over the House of Representatives in the 2010 midterms on the Tea Party wave of opposition to the landmark 2010 health care reform law, the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. The new House majority was intent on curbing government spending, especially at HHS, which administered Obamacare. Congressional Republicans, led by Mitch McConnell in the Senate and House Speaker John Boehner, leveraged the debt ceiling — a limit on the government’s borrowing ability that had to be raised — to insist that the Obama administration accept federal spending curbs. The compromise, codified in the 2011 Budget Control Act, required a bipartisan “super committee” to find additional ways to reduce the deficit, or else it would trigger automatic across-the-board cuts known as “sequestration.” Even in the aftermath of the swine flu pandemic, the stockpile wasn’t a priority then. Without a full committee markup, Rehberg introduced a bill that provided $522.5 million to the stockpile, about 12% less than the previous year and $132 million less than the administration wanted. “Nobody got everything they wanted,” Rehberg said. LOL! Convenient how they used 2011. Again, H1N1 hit at the beginning of 2009 and was largely over by April of 2010. Also again, the Dems controlled government during that entire time and until the end of 2010 and the PPE can and should have been restocked by them then, when it it had just been used up and was fresh on everyone's mind. It shouldn't have waited a year, or two, much less 5, much much less thinking that 2 years of another admin was enough to get it done.
WideNine Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 19 minutes ago, Doc said: The only one revising history is you. Sorry Doc, its true. There are far too many that go out of their way to try to revise history, and deflect blame for a Trump administration that was an abject failure on leadership, policy creation, and execution. He left a broken more divisive, less tolerant nation. He emboldened domestic white supremacist and anarchist militant groups. He catered to the most mentally vulnerable with lies, fear-mongering, and factless conspiracies. Weakened our geopolitical alliances and influence. Increased our national debt from 19 to 28 trillion dollars. Peddled lies to undermine our democratic systems and legitimate election, strong-arming his own party members in GA trying to get them to "find votes". Encouraged an insurrection that led to deaths putting Pence in the cross hairs of his radicalized cult. And yes, completely fumbled responsibly handling a pandemic. If a DEM administration had governed so incredibly poorly my vote would have gone elsewhere. ...
Doc Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 2 minutes ago, WideNine said: Sorry Doc, its true. There are far too many that go out of their way to try to revise history, and deflect blame for a Trump administration that was an abject failure on leadership, policy creation, and execution. He left a broken more divisive, less tolerant nation. He emboldened domestic white supremacist and anarchist militant groups. He catered to the most mentally vulnerable with lies, fear-mongering, and factless conspiracies. Weakened our geopolitical alliances and influence. Increased our national debt from 19 to 28 trillion dollars. Peddled lies to undermine our democratic systems and legitimate election, strong-arming his own party members in GA trying to get them to "find votes". Encouraged an insurrection that led to deaths putting Pence in the cross hairs of his radicalized cult. And yes, completely fumbled responsibly handling a pandemic. If a DEM administration had governed so incredibly poorly my vote would have gone elsewhere. We'll agree to disagree. And just for my information, when was the last time you voted for a Repub?
SoCal Deek Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Motorin' said: Sorry to hear that. Too often the most important things get lost in all the arguing over things we have little to no control. I may or may not disagree with you about everything. But I truly hope for nothing but the best and you and your family. And that goes for everyone. Thanks, much appreciated. She was 91 and lived a fantastic life. I blame absolutely nobody for her death. 1
WideNine Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 21 minutes ago, Doc said: We'll agree to disagree. And just for my information, when was the last time you voted for a Repub? Bush Al Gore did not do enough to convince me he would have a strong military and foreign policy. Was never a fan of the Clintons going back to their Whitewater scandal days, but ol' Bill did not do a terrible job on the economy.
Backintheday544 Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 1 hour ago, Doc said: LOL! Convenient how they used 2011. Again, H1N1 hit at the beginning of 2009 and was largely over by April of 2010. Also again, the Dems controlled government during that entire time and until the end of 2010 and the PPE can and should have been restocked by them then, when it it had just been used up and was fresh on everyone's mind. It shouldn't have waited a year, or two, much less 5, much much less thinking that 2 years of another admin was enough to get it done. I really have to question if you on the right know how the government works. The 2010 budget bill was passed late 2009. H1N1 was not declared officially over until late 2010 by WHO. By the time H1N1 was over , the work on the 2011 budget started. This was also in the turmoil of all the continuing resolutions needing to pass and the debt ceiling standoffs. Dems didn’t have a super majority and didn’t get rid of the legislative filibuster and needed support from Republicans to pass spending bills. It all boils down to Obama’s budget proposals tried to restock PPE. Republicans were against it and couldn’t get it through, especially since Republicans were eyeing HHS spending due to their anti-Obamacare agenda. 1
Tenhigh Posted February 14, 2021 Posted February 14, 2021 3 hours ago, daz28 said: It's really too bad that Trump wouldn't allow Biden's team access, because he was selling his won by a landslide BS instead. President Biden announced Thursday his administration has finalized an order for 200 million more doses of COVID-19 vaccine to be delivered by July 2021, adding to the 400 million doses that the Trump administration had already ordered from Pfizer and Moderna by that date. The two drug companies both produce a two-shot regimen, so the total 600 million doses will vaccinate 300 million people — most of the U.S. population. "Within three weeks, round-the-clock work of so many people, people standing behind me and in front of me, we've now purchased enough vaccine supply to vaccinate all Americans and now we're working to get those vaccines in the arms of millions of people," Mr. Biden said in remarks at the National Institutes of Health (NIH). To be fair, Trump actually ordered 200 million Pfizer doses with option to purchase up to 400 million more. That alone would cover the US. And another 200 million doses of Moderna. And ordered 500 Million Astrazeneca and 100 Million Johnson and Johnson.
Doc Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 11 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: I really have to question if you on the right know how the government works. The 2010 budget bill was passed late 2009. H1N1 was not declared officially over until late 2010 by WHO. By the time H1N1 was over , the work on the 2011 budget started. This was also in the turmoil of all the continuing resolutions needing to pass and the debt ceiling standoffs. Dems didn’t have a super majority and didn’t get rid of the legislative filibuster and needed support from Republicans to pass spending bills. It all boils down to Obama’s budget proposals tried to restock PPE. Republicans were against it and couldn’t get it through, especially since Republicans were eyeing HHS spending due to their anti-Obamacare agenda. So you're saying that the only mechanism Congress had to restock PPE was through the budget in 2011?
WideNine Posted February 15, 2021 Posted February 15, 2021 4 hours ago, Tenhigh said: To be fair, Trump actually ordered 200 million Pfizer doses with option to purchase up to 400 million more. That alone would cover the US. And another 200 million doses of Moderna. And ordered 500 Million Astrazeneca and 100 Million Johnson and Johnson. This is true, not going to say that they did not pre-order doses. I think that was a desperate political Hail Mary that also just happened to be the right thing to do. The GOP was hoping for an early breakthru vaccine that they could rush through clinical trials and get out before the general election. An impossible time line really. Unless we ignored rules and testing protocols and tried our US version of a hasty maybe deadly "Sputnik" vaccine.
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