All_Pro_Bills Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 On 2/25/2021 at 8:55 AM, snafu said: Yes, people knew Biden is fading and still voted against Trump. That isn’t too difficult to see. The election in 2020 played out pretty close to how 2016 played out with the exception that Trump lost a significant number of swing voters in key contested states he won by slim margins in 2016. A lot of analysts believe the handling of the pandemic was the cause but I think its simply because he failed to deliver on any of his populist promises and these voters defected to Biden who they ultimately decided to pin their hopes on after Trump basically failed to deliver for them. 1
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 30 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: The election in 2020 played out pretty close to how 2016 played out with the exception that Trump lost a significant number of swing voters in key contested states he won by slim margins in 2016. A lot of analysts believe the handling of the pandemic was the cause but I think its simply because he failed to deliver on any of his populist promises and these voters defected to Biden who they ultimately decided to pin their hopes on after Trump basically failed to deliver for them. That’s a reasoned opinion but I’m one that believes it was all about the pandemic, what happened to the economy because of it. 1 1
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said: That’s a reasoned opinion but I’m one that believes it was all about the pandemic, what happened to the economy because of it. Yes, and taking it one step further it could be reasoned that the practices and polices enacted in response to the pandemic did more to harm the economy than the pandemic itself. The classic outlier referenced is Sweden which didn't lock down, took precautions to protect the most vulnerable, didn't experience high death rates, and saw minimal disruptions to their national economy. I'm not so sure that would have worked in the US because I think a lot of it had to do with demographics. Sweden has a much more "relatively" healthy population than the US. We have what might be characterized as a national health crisis with a high percentage of overweight and out-of-shape people with lots of other co-morbidities which makes for a target-rich environment for the fatal aspects of the infection. A lot of it is just common sense since if you are in good physical condition and have a strong immune system and haven't experienced the degenerative impacts of aging to any degree you'll experience less severe symptoms of almost any virus or bacterial infection. Edited March 31, 2021 by All_Pro_Bills 1
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, All_Pro_Bills said: Yes, and taking it one step further it could be reasoned that the practices and polices enacted in response to the pandemic did more to harm the economy than the pandemic itself. The classic outlier referenced is Sweden which didn't lock down, took precautions to protect the most vulnerable, didn't experience high death rates, and saw minimal disruptions to their national economy. I'm not so sure that would have worked in the US because I think a lot of it had to do with demographics. Sweden has a much more "relatively" healthy population than the US. We have what might be characterized as a national health crisis with a high percentage of overweight and out-of-shape people with lots of other co-morbidities which makes for a target-rich environment for the fatal aspects of the infection. People like to compare our response to other countries but I believe it’s way way simpler than that and I posted it yesterday. For the first time in every Americans life, they were told they could literally DIE just by going outside, or by visiting with family. That alone will get you unelected every time. It wasn’t (and still isn’t) true but that’s what they were told and they voted for change. I don’t blame voters. I blame those who convinced so many that this was the new normal. 2
All_Pro_Bills Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: People like to compare our response to other countries but I believe it’s way way simpler than that and I posted it yesterday. For the first time in every Americans life, they were told they could literally DIE just by going outside, or by visiting with family. That alone will get you unelected every time. It wasn’t (and still isn’t) true but that’s what they were told and they voted for change. I don’t blame voters. I blame those who convinced so many that this was the new normal. You may have friends and family like my father-in-law. He's one of those people convinced the virus is waiting outside his living room window just looking for a chance to get into the house to kill him. Like it roams freely in the outdoor environment and acts with some sentient intent expressed by higher forms of life. I can provide him with all sorts of science about how viruses live and spread along with specifics about COVID but he's convinced CNN is right and I am wrong.
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 32 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said: You may have friends and family like my father-in-law. He's one of those people convinced the virus is waiting outside his living room window just looking for a chance to get into the house to kill him. Like it roams freely in the outdoor environment and acts with some sentient intent expressed by higher forms of life. I can provide him with all sorts of science about how viruses live and spread along with specifics about COVID but he's convinced CNN is right and I am wrong. I'm going to assume that your father-in-law is an older individual and so he may be right to be concerned. I'm referring more to those that are younger, that have been convinced that they will DIE from this killer virus. I saw a young girl yesterday, wearing her mask while driving all alone in her car. The deadly nature of this particular virus has been proven to be inaccurate. In the beginning we clearly didn't know what has happening...but we do now and so do our public officials. Shame on all of them for the fear they've spread.
716er Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 3 hours ago, SoCal Deek said: they were told they could literally DIE just by going outside Source for even just one reputable person claiming this?
Chef Jim Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 1 hour ago, 716er said: Source for even just one reputable person claiming this? How about instead of the word "told" would you be cool with the word "insinuated"?
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 2 hours ago, 716er said: Source for even just one reputable person claiming this? And you believe they’re wearing triple masks in their car and not leaving their houses because they think they’ll get the sniffles? Let’s get real here! These people are legitimately scared to death. It’s a shame.
716er Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: And you believe they’re wearing triple masks in their car and not leaving their houses because they think they’ll get the sniffles? Let’s get real here! These people are legitimately scared to death. It’s a shame. Who is wearing a triple mask in their car while not leaving their house? Perhaps you'll share that with the source of the reputable person who said going outside will kill you.
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, 716er said: Who is wearing a triple mask in their car while not leaving their house? Perhaps you'll share that with the source of the reputable person who said going outside will kill you. My sister in law. Are we done now?
716er Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: My sister in law. Are we done now? Your sister in law drives a car with 3 masks on her face without leaving her home? Is she playing a lot of Mario Kart?
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 9 minutes ago, 716er said: Your sister in law drives a car with 3 masks on her face without leaving her home? Is she playing a lot of Mario Kart? Don't be an ass. You know exactly what I'm talking about.
716er Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Don't be an ass. You know exactly what I'm talking about. I would know exactly what you were talking about if you sourced your claim that people could literally die by just going outside. Instead I'm getting MY SISTER IN LAW WEARS 3 MASKS IN THE CAR AND DOESNT LEAVE HOME
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, 716er said: I would know exactly what you were talking about if you sourced your claim that people could literally die by just going outside. Instead I'm getting MY SISTER IN LAW WEARS 3 MASKS IN THE CAR AND DOESNT LEAVE HOME I did not claim that people could die. I said that people have bought into the lie that that's true, and therefore you'll see many young people wearing triple masks when going outside, or even when driving alone in a car. You can keep trying to play word games, but... if it's not true then tell me why are people wearing multiple masks when driving alone in their car? Enlighten me.
716er Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: why are people wearing multiple masks when driving alone in their car? Enlighten me. Uber, Lyft, Grubhub, etc. drivers are required to wear a mask at work. 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I said that people have bought into the lie that that's true If people have bought into the lie that is true, you should be able to post one person telling that lie. It seems like you are unable to do so.
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 1 minute ago, 716er said: Uber, Lyft, Grubhub, etc. drivers are required to wear a mask at work. If people have bought into the lie that is true, you should be able to post one person telling that lie. It seems like you are unable to do so. Thanks for playing. This is a waste of my time.
716er Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Thanks for playing. This is a waste of my time. So you're posting hyperbolic BS - glad that's cleared up. I noticed you didn't comment on folks who work in cars who are required to wear masks while working. Is that too rational a take?
Chef Jim Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, 716er said: Uber, Lyft, Grubhub, etc. drivers are required to wear a mask at work. If people have bought into the lie that is true, you should be able to post one person telling that lie. It seems like you are unable to do so. So you honestly do not know ONE person that has pretty much not left their home over the last 12 months because the powers that be have scared the ***** out of them?
SoCal Deek Posted March 31, 2021 Posted March 31, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chef Jim said: So you honestly do not know ONE person that has pretty much not left their home over the last 12 months because the powers that be have scared the ***** out of them? We have an entire public school system afraid to return to work! But 716er believes there is nothing to see here. This isn't scary. There's nothing unusual going on.
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