Doc Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) 17 hours ago, Tiberius said: Biden actually stands up to Putin. Trump loves him Are you admitting Putin is a bad guy? I have not had one Trump supporter agree with that fact. Sad Yeah, he's a real tough guy. But who loved Putin enough to give him a natural gas pipeline to Europe? Edited January 21, 2022 by Doc 1
Big Blitz Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 Don't recall Russia doing anything provocative circa 2016-2020
aristocrat Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 3 hours ago, Tiberius said: Biden actually stands up to Putin. Trump loves him Are you admitting Putin is a bad guy? I have not had one Trump supporter agree with that fact. Sad hang on what? who armed the Ukrainians with weapons to fight off Russia? Oh it was trump. Who sanctioned their pipeline? Trump. Deal in facts
B-Man Posted January 20, 2022 Posted January 20, 2022 (edited) DON’T UNDERESTIMATE JOE’S ABILITY TO F**K THINGS UP: B. Obama We Will All Pay for Joe Biden’s ‘Minor Incursion’ Mistake. The effect of Biden’s remarks was immediate. European capitals—Kyiv, in particular—erupted with indignation. “They watched those remarks, I think, with horror,” CNN’s Matthew Chance said of the Ukrainian government. One Ukrainian official said Biden had all but given Moscow a “green light” to invade. The White House immediately went to work cleaning up Biden’s comments, but it was wholly insufficient. “He was referring to the difference between military and non-military/para-military/cyber action by the Russians,” National Security Council Spokeswoman Emily Horne said. Some difference. Even if you believe Russia is parsing the fine distinctions between the president’s statements and their post-facto revisions by his more responsible staffers, “para-military” incursions are precisely what Moscow executed both in Crimea and in the Donbas region. There, Russian proxy forces have transformed the area into a warzone and carved out illegitimate “republics,” though the Russian currency and passports held by the residents of these puppet states leave no one confused as to who is in charge. The president’s words and actions carry more weight than any half-hearted statement walking them back. Courtesy of his performance in Afghanistan, Putin has all the evidence he needs to conclude that Joe Biden will blink in defending American interests against an aggressor if he thinks the costs of such an effort are too high to bear. Biden has exposed the very real and now fully confirmed tensions within the Atlantic Alliance over how to respond to Russian aggression, if there is any response at all. All the tough talk in the world cannot undo that. Joe Biden has sown the wind. Now, we await the whirlwind. https://www.commentary.org/noah-rothman/we-will-all-pay-for-joe-bidens-terrible-mistake/ Earlier, from Steve: Is Biden Inviting the Very War in Ukraine We Don’t Want to Fight? https://pjmedia.com/vodkapundit/2022/01/19/war-footing-russia-vs-ukraine-and-the-west-n1550738 Edited January 20, 2022 by B-Man
B-Man Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 Biden acts much more like Putin’s puppet than Trump ever did. https://nypost.com/2022/01/20/biden-acts-much-more-like-putins-puppet-than-trump-ever-did/ 2
Doc Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 When do we start impeachment hearings? A year from today? 2
SoCal Deek Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) The entire Buffalo metro area better be sleeping with one eye open! When the Canadians attack WNY will be considered a minor incursion. Nice work Joe! Glad you’re at the wheel. Edited January 21, 2022 by SoCal Deek 1
B-Man Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 Joe Biden’s gaffe may have inadvertently revealed the truth about his Ukraine policy. According to the Ukrainians, that was a particularly dangerous thing to do as Mr Putin’s preferred option is believed to be a limited incursion. It led to suspicions a deal was being done behind Ukraine’s back. Indeed, the fear in Kyiv was that Mr Biden had not so much been wrong, but that he had inadvertently told the truth. Whatever he meant, it was an example of Mr Biden saying too much, and talking loosely, a failing for which he has form. In his first press conference for 78 days, the President was perhaps seeking to demonstrate his command of detail, ultimately speaking for almost two hours. But the moment he finished White House officials desperately scrambled to “clean up” the remarks on Ukraine. He just isn’t up to the job. https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2022/01/20/white-house-scrambles-clean-joe-biden-gaffe-ukraine/
Doc Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 Joey's probably allowed them to invade with the promise that they don't reveal his corruption there. 1
Irv Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 (edited) 48 minutes ago, Doc said: Joey's probably allowed them to invade with the promise that they don't reveal his corruption there. No truer words have been said. Demented Biden makes deal with Putin to keep Biden family bribes a secret. BBB not "Build Back Better". It's "Bribe Biden's Baby!" Corrupt Biden's got to get paid! What a mess. 25th for 46th! Edited January 21, 2022 by Irv
Niagara Bill Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 22 hours ago, Irv said: Demented Biden will let Russia turn Ukraine into a parking lot and sit by and watch while they focus on bull#### like phony voting rights proposals and maniacal taxation and wasteful spending. Once again, just like the "insurrection", just another ploy by the DNC to steer eyes away from the ***** disaster Demented Biden and his communist buddies have created. What a mess. Biden will not allow it....frankly he cannot prevent it. The US has not got the power or position. Putin and China have effectively weaken the US over the years. They used Afghanistan on the US like the US used Russia for 17 years in Afghanistan. Other than kicking sand in Sadams face the US has no gecsuccesdfjl militarily for a long time. Can the YS zctusllh design a plan. Hackers shutdown the Pentagon as I recall. Reagan owned Russia, Nixon owned China, but Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump all struck out swinging in dealing with the 2 world powers. Russia will do as they please until the rest of democracy gets our act together. IMHO
aristocrat Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 20 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Biden will not allow it....frankly he cannot prevent it. The US has not got the power or position. Putin and China have effectively weaken the US over the years. They used Afghanistan on the US like the US used Russia for 17 years in Afghanistan. Other than kicking sand in Sadams face the US has no gecsuccesdfjl militarily for a long time. Can the YS zctusllh design a plan. Hackers shutdown the Pentagon as I recall. Reagan owned Russia, Nixon owned China, but Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump all struck out swinging in dealing with the 2 world powers. Russia will do as they please until the rest of democracy gets our act together. IMHO https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898 https://www.nytimes.com/2018/05/24/world/middleeast/american-commandos-russian-mercenaries-syria.html Trump seemed to deal with Russia just fine.
Doc Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 51 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Biden will not allow it....frankly he cannot prevent it. The US has not got the power or position. Putin and China have effectively weaken the US over the years. They used Afghanistan on the US like the US used Russia for 17 years in Afghanistan. Other than kicking sand in Sadams face the US has no gecsuccesdfjl militarily for a long time. Can the YS zctusllh design a plan. Hackers shutdown the Pentagon as I recall. Reagan owned Russia, Nixon owned China, but Bush, Clinton, Obama, Trump all struck out swinging in dealing with the 2 world powers. Russia will do as they please until the rest of democracy gets our act together. IMHO If the US wanted to take over Canada (why, I don't know?), Russia and China also couldn't do a damn thing to stop them. But it's a worldwide problem, not just the US's.
Tiberius Posted January 21, 2022 Author Posted January 21, 2022 20 hours ago, aristocrat said: hang on what? who armed the Ukrainians with weapons to fight off Russia? Oh it was trump. Who sanctioned their pipeline? Trump. Deal in facts Trump was pushed by Congress. And I suppose you are forgetting the facts surrounding Trump releasing the weapons to Ukraine? No way in hell you remember that fact, which became a national scandal. 1
aristocrat Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 8 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Trump was pushed by Congress. And I suppose you are forgetting the facts surrounding Trump releasing the weapons to Ukraine? No way in hell you remember that fact, which became a national scandal. They were sent were they not? You'd think if he was so cozy with Russia he'd have stopped it altogether. They helped keep Russia out of Ukraine. Kind of hurts your narrative that he was soft on Russia.
Tiberius Posted January 21, 2022 Author Posted January 21, 2022 Just now, aristocrat said: They were sent were they not? You'd think if he was so cozy with Russia he'd have stopped it altogether. They helped keep Russia out of Ukraine. Kind of hurts your narrative that he was soft on Russia. Thanks to Congress and a few dedicated public servants. No favors granted! I get Trump didn't accomplish anything in office so you people have to try and make up things Facts suck, huh? 1
aristocrat Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Thanks to Congress and a few dedicated public servants. No favors granted! I get Trump didn't accomplish anything in office so you people have to try and make up things https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898 The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017 -- a step that former President Barack Obama never took
Tiberius Posted January 21, 2022 Author Posted January 21, 2022 7 minutes ago, aristocrat said: https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-admin-approves-sale-anti-tank-weapons-ukraine/story?id=65989898 The Trump administration first approved the sale of Javelins to Ukraine in December 2017 -- a step that former President Barack Obama never took Why didn't they turn them over then? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/trump-administration-broke-law-in-withholding-ukraine-aid.html
aristocrat Posted January 21, 2022 Posted January 21, 2022 4 minutes ago, Tiberius said: Why didn't they turn them over then? https://www.cnbc.com/2020/01/16/trump-administration-broke-law-in-withholding-ukraine-aid.html They did.
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