Cole Beasley is good with the football

[Bobby Hooks]

On 2/11/2021 at 10:03 AM, Limeaid said:

I find it interesting when they quote stats - how is 325 significant vs 300 and 350?

Why take away 25 of his receptions? It’s obvious he didn’t have 350 but had a decent amount more than 300. So they picked the highest amount that still looked pleasing to the eye. 
 

25 catches the way he does it without a fumble is pretty significant. 

[YoloinOhio]

I recall that the Ravens used their best CB Marlon Humphrey on Beasley, not Diggs, in the playoffs. That’s the respect he draws from DCs and that’s a huge loss regardless of who they can put there. Maybe you can get that with Sanders but then Davis really needs to step up on the outside. 

[DrDawkinstein]

32 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Was Beasley missing a tooth in Madden?

 

I had to adjust his "Chewing" rating from a 31 to a 32.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

10 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I recall that the Ravens used their best CB Marlon Humphrey on Beasley, not Diggs, in the playoffs. That’s the respect he draws from DCs and that’s a huge loss regardless of who they can put there. Maybe you can get that with Sanders but then Davis really needs to step up on the outside. 

It’s gotta stink having to cover a guy that is often allowed to run wherever he wants…

[Saxum]

21 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I recall that the Ravens used their best CB Marlon Humphrey on Beasley, not Diggs, in the playoffs. That’s the respect he draws from DCs and that’s a huge loss regardless of who they can put there. Maybe you can get that with Sanders but then Davis really needs to step up on the outside. 

 

I believe Ravens did that because they believed they would have too much pressure for Josh to hit Diggs and Brown but Cole would be available as relief target on blitzes and stunts.   

 

28 minutes ago, Bobby Hooks said:

Why take away 25 of his receptions? It’s obvious he didn’t have 350 but had a decent amount more than 300. So they picked the highest amount that still looked pleasing to the eye. 
 

25 catches the way he does it without a fumble is pretty significant. 

 

Yes but when they cite a number like 325 they are usually doing to make what they are claiming to be milestone but if they used 300 it might be shared. 

That is all I am pointing out.  Cole got no receptions so that worked but the rest didn't.

9 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

It’s gotta stink having to cover a guy that is often allowed to run wherever he wants…

 

Yes but he did it well for Josh only attempted 2 passed to Beasly. 

Edited June 24, 2021 by Limeaid

[The Dean]

Cole could opt out and still be paid this year, I think. But I doubt he chooses that option as he is committed to living his life as usual. But he certainly has that option.

 

While I hope he stays and plays, should he leave is Marquez Stevenson a possibility for a replacement? I'm not saying he comes in as a raw rookie and owns the spot. But rather as a rotational player in the role. 

[LABILLBACKER]

2 hours ago, Jauronimo said:

Beasley opting out would be awful. The only silver lining is that we have Sanders who I think could fill that role but isn't nearly as elusive.  Pretty sure Beasley had zero drops last year.  He also hauled in a number of spectacular catches in clutch situations.  Josh looked to him often when we really needed a play.

Losing Cole is not an option. He's way to valuable in complimenting Diggs. McB has to find a way to diffuse this issue somehow?

[Buffalo_Stampede]

42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I recall that the Ravens used their best CB Marlon Humphrey on Beasley, not Diggs, in the playoffs. That’s the respect he draws from DCs and that’s a huge loss regardless of who they can put there. Maybe you can get that with Sanders but then Davis really needs to step up on the outside. 

I believe Humphrey is mostly a slot cover guy. 

[YoloinOhio]

11 minutes ago, The Dean said:

Cole could opt out and still be paid this year, I think. But I doubt he chooses that option as he is committed to living his life as usual. But he certainly has that option.

 

While I hope he stays and plays, should he leave is Marquez Stevenson a possibility for a replacement? I'm not saying he comes in as a raw rookie and owns the spot. But rather as a rotational player in the role. 

He wouldn’t be paid at all unless he is high risk. 

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

I believe Humphrey is mostly a slot cover guy. 

He plays both

[K-9]

50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I recall that the Ravens used their best CB Marlon Humphrey on Beasley, not Diggs, in the playoffs. That’s the respect he draws from DCs and that’s a huge loss regardless of who they can put there. Maybe you can get that with Sanders but then Davis really needs to step up on the outside. 

I think that’s strictly a function of Humphrey being their best slot corner, regardless. As you know, even the best of boundary corners often don’t play the slot as effectively. 

[CommonCents]

Losing Cole and Brown would really temper my expectations for the O. The spacing on the field would be dramatically different.

 

Sanders is at the end of it, he scares no one. Brown’s speed will be missed, they need Cole in the slot this year. Give the young guys another year to develop and find ways to impact the game. 

[The Dean]

12 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He wouldn’t be paid at all unless he is high risk. 

 

 

Thanks for the clarification.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Not having Beasley hurts this offense. He and Allen have spent the last two years developing the chemistry we see on the field and that will take time to develop with another player and I’m not sure the improvised aspects of his game with Allen can be duplicated given the nine seasons of experience that informs it. Beasley sitting out would really be sticking it to the team, at least in the short term. But if that’s what he decides, then good riddance. 

I hope that’s the case, but he’s boxed himself in with his hard stance on the matter. Does he like winning championships more than he likes sticking to his publicly proclaimed principles? Let’s hope he’s changed his mind come training camp. A lot can happen between now and then. 

 

Absolutely, once a guy proclaims such a hard stance and is both vilified and exalted for it, he has a lot of "face" of holding the line.  Depending upon the situation in most of the country in August, I would expect the protocols for unvaxxed players to be modified somewhat, allowing a face-saving "OK they listened to us and made changes" stand-down.  But who knows?

 

Beasley has been a great addition to the team and the locker room the last two years.  But I think this is worth looking at (click to Embiggen)

 

The point I'd make from these data is that Beasley set new career highs for Y/Tgt, Y/R, Y/G and R/G the last year, and only had one other season that was close to 2019 in his 7 years with Dallas. 

 

Sure, part of his success here is Beasley.  But part of his success here is Daboll, the play design, how he's being used, and Josh.  So it's possible that other WR we have on the roster or could obtain might be able to have some success with the same features?  I'd rather not have to find out. 

 

I think one reason the Bills brought in Tanner Gentry is that he had a couple seasons of that "mind meld" chemistry with Josh, so if he can step up his release and route running, he could potentially help.  Of course, that's an "if"

[Hapless Bills Fan]

26 minutes ago, The Dean said:

Cole could opt out and still be paid this year, I think.

 

No one who opts out gets paid their normal salary.  It was very clear: players who opt out due to high risk factors will still get a $350,000 stipend, but otherwise, Nopenope, Nothing.

 

26 minutes ago, The Dean said:

While I hope he stays and plays, should he leave is Marquez Stevenson a possibility for a replacement? I'm not saying he comes in as a raw rookie and owns the spot. But rather as a rotational player in the role. 

 

I'm not a college football fan but my impression is NFW based on this assessment by Lance Zierlein:

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Scheme-specific developmental prospect who needs to do a better job of matching his play speed with his true speed. Stevenson lacks the ball-tracking and physicality to win contested catches as an outside receiver. He'll be scouted as a slot receiver, but is hindered by unfocused route-running and leggy strides that limit his suddenness to uncover quickly underneath. With coaching, the routes should improve, but he might need a route tree that can keep him on the move and open up chances to separate with his speed. Crossing routes, receiver screens and kick returns show off his instincts as an open-field runner, but he will need to improve his toughness, pass-catching consistency and routes if he wants to make his mark in the pros.

 

Not that Lance Zierlein is Truth or the Final Word, but when we have a 2nd or 3rd year player, I frequently go back to Zierlein's scouting reports and find myself nodding.

[Chandler#81]

2 hours ago, K-9 said:

Not having Beasley hurts this offense. He and Allen have spent the last two years developing the chemistry we see on the field and that will take time to develop with another player and I’m not sure the improvised aspects of his game with Allen can be duplicated given the nine seasons of experience that informs it. Beasley sitting out would really be sticking it to the team, at least in the short term. But if that’s what he decides, then good riddance. 

I hope that’s the case, but he’s boxed himself in with his hard stance on the matter. Does he like winning championships more than he likes sticking to his publicly proclaimed principles? Let’s hope he’s changed his mind come training camp. A lot can happen between now and then. 

Don’t forget God’s Will..

10 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Absolutely, once a guy proclaims such a hard stance and is both vilified and exalted for it, he has a lot of "face" of holding the line.  Depending upon the situation in most of the country in August, I would expect the protocols for unvaxxed players to be modified somewhat, allowing a face-saving "OK they listened to us and made changes" stand-down.  But who knows?

 

Beasley has been a great addition to the team and the locker room the last two years.  But I think this is worth looking at (click to Embiggen)

 

 

What does 1D stand for? 1st Downs?

[YoloinOhio]

20 minutes ago, K-9 said:

I think that’s strictly a function of Humphrey being their best slot corner, regardless. As you know, even the best of boundary corners often don’t play the slot as effectively. 

I thought Putting Peters on Diggs was a risk with how he takes chances. Beasley was playing on one leg so they could have put Anthony averett on him and Humphrey, who can play inside or outside, on Diggs. But the point someone made about taking away Beasley so josh would have to try to find diggs, brown, Davis makes sense. If John brown had been healthy I think it would have been much tougher for the ravens. 

2 hours ago, StHustle said:

Guys Cole ain't opting out or retiring. The guy really wants to win and knows this year is the best shot he has ever had at a championship. He was just pissed at the protocols and posturing.

My heart says this but by head says he’s not a lock to play this year. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

6 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

What does 1D stand for? 1st Downs?

 

Affirmative

[K-9]

18 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Absolutely, once a guy proclaims such a hard stance and is both vilified and exalted for it, he has a lot of "face" of holding the line.  Depending upon the situation in most of the country in August, I would expect the protocols for unvaxxed players to be modified somewhat, allowing a face-saving "OK they listened to us and made changes" stand-down.  But who knows?

 

Beasley has been a great addition to the team and the locker room the last two years.  But I think this is worth looking at (click to Embiggen)

 

The point I'd make from these data is that Beasley set new career highs for Y/Tgt, Y/R, Y/G and R/G the last year, and only had one other season that was close to 2019 in his 7 years with Dallas. 

 

Sure, part of his success here is Beasley.  But part of his success here is Daboll, the play design, how he's being used, and Josh.  So it's possible that other WR we have on the roster or could obtain might be able to have some success with the same features?  I'd rather not have to find out. 

 

I think one reason the Bills brought in Tanner Gentry is that he had a couple seasons of that "mind meld" chemistry with Josh, so if he can step up his release and route running, he could potentially help.  Of course, that's an "if"

Well, let’s hope for the best. The hardest aspect of Beasley’s game to replace is his recognition. He reads defenses as well as anyone I’ve seen and that’s a big reason he and Josh are on the same page so often. I just think that will take time for the less experienced WRs to develop, which stands to reason. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

50 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

He wouldn’t be paid at all unless he is high risk. 

He plays both

Vs us he would play primarily slot since we run mostly 3 WR. He moved inside vs 3+ WRs.

[YoloinOhio]

7 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

I have to be honest man.. I am shocked you want to go down this rabbit hole again considering what happened to the last thread on this topic.

If folks can stay on the topic presented, it should not be an issue. If they can’t, it will be locked. Doesn’t seem too difficult to me. 

18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

His last word on the topic was that he's done talking about it because he doesn't want to be a distraction to the team. Beasley is an open book, as we've learned. If he was considering opting out he would have said so by now.

And the deadline is in a week