FireChans Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: PSA: Use your high picks on big $ positions. Needs change fast. The Chiefs will be regretting using that 1st pick in 2020 on Clyde Edwards Helaire............and he was every bit the prospect of Harris and Etienne. Running backs are still a relative dime-a-dozen. The Bills will be needing to keep Josh Allen interested in their program for the next decade and the best way to do that is keeping those key positions stocked with difference makers. You can draft RB's and OG's and off-ball LB's much later and develop them or buy them free agency without breaking the bank. I'll go one step further. Trade the pick. Either trade up or get a good player.
JakeFrommStateFarm Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: So we only have one more year? Yes. You only have as much time until Josh signs his 5 year x 50M per year or 250M deal. At that point the Bills salary cap will be decimated. Veterans will have to be released to stay under the cap. Harris is the quick fix we need now. If he becomes our Derrick Henry, that would be a great 1st round pick 1
Beast Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, JakeFrommStateFarm said: Yes. You only have as much time until Josh signs his 5 year x 50M per year or 250M deal. At that point the Bills salary cap will be decimated. Veterans will have to be released to stay under the cap. Harris is the quick fix we need now. If he becomes our Derrick Henry, that would be a great 1st round pick Yeah, slow down with that 50 million a year contract talk. Edited February 11, 2021 by Beast 1
BillsDude Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 Numerous early mock drafts last year were mocking RB Jonathon Taylor to the Bills too when at that time they had their first round pick. This yr I think the desire will be more real for a round one rb, or o-lineman who can bull doze block and d-line persons who can break through and smash the passer
PrimeTime101 Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 I think they fix O'line in FA I think they get a one tech DT in FA that WILL take 2 people to block if they do both? Im for some Harris round 1 Edge round 2 LB round 3
BADOLBILZ Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 58 minutes ago, FireChans said: I'll go one step further. Trade the pick. Either trade up or get a good player. I still like to get a volume of picks later so don't love trade-ups but if you can trade back or for a star player with that pick it makes sense. 50% of your #1 picks are likely to be gone after contract #1 so getting a sure multi-year difference maker at an important position is usually very worth it if drafting in the back half of the round. 1
thurst44 Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, WideNine said: This. I don't see the Bills drafting RB 3 years in a row and in the first with their many needs. I think they more likely go with BPA at a position of need. They were 15-4 and most way-too-early analysts rate us from the 2nd to 4th best team in football. Reading this thread you would think our favorite team was below .500. Maybe we should just listen to our GM who has been clear that you don't use the draft to fill holes. Beane was the Executive of the Year, you know. We're in the position where we can afford to easily take the BPA. 1
Southern_Bills Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 Harris would be a nice pick IMO. With that said there will be a number of fine OL and DL available there. I haven't kept up with all the prospects this year so I'm not sure how one position group stacks up to others as far as depth. I do know Harris is top 2 at his position at least.
Thurman#1 Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 IMO wildly unlikely. Never say never but IMO we won't pick an RB on the first two days. First round would shock me. 1 hour ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Was gonna say I could see oline but the defensive depth just isn’t there in this draft Mcshay doesn’t even have a pass rusher going till 15 the depth is that poor..I’d rather go BPA and if that’s Najee I’m for it That's not poor depth, it's a poor top end. From what I'm hearing (not an expert, nor much of a college fan) the depth at pass rusher is really good this year, but with no Chase Youngs up top, which wouldn't matter to us anyway at #30. 1
DrDawkinstein Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 1 hour ago, Nextmanup said: I would hate for us to burn the assets required to get him. Poor value for money pick. No team should ever draft any RB in the first round! Not enough impact on wins and losses to justify the cost. I'm reflecting back on the good old days when we drafted CJ Spiller 9th overall. Good God. Except we arent picking 9th overall. Or even in the top half. We're picking 30th over. A couple of picks from the 2nd round. Bills fans need to make a major shift and get used to what life is like picking at the end of the rounds. It's a different world. But that doesnt mean you get to stray off of BPA too far just to pick by player position. Too much reaching for need will kill a team. Look at Belichick's draft record picking late. Lot of interior OL busts when he was desperate for OL, but Sony Michel was a great pick there at 31.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 2 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: I would.. this year anyway for an Edge...does this make me a bad person? Not at all, but it's definitely a red flag on your GM resume. haha 1
Putin Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, gotme365 said: That would be an awful pick especially since they drafted RBs the last 2 years. It’s not a smart investment So another DE who will play 20% of snaps? 1
78thealltimegreat Posted February 11, 2021 Author Posted February 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Putin said: So another DE who will play 20% of snaps? I was gonna say why did we even draft AJ Epenesa then like where does he play? He was technically our top pick last year
Rochesterfan Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Jeremy White was saying similar things the other day..I could see other positions obviously too but it is interesting to see the national media now starting to link the Bills to RBs No problem with it - if he runs between a 4.40 and 4.45. If as predicted he runs closer to a 4.55+ - then No - I want nothing to do with him. He was the top running back at a school with by far the best Oline - so I have no idea if he will be anything special, but his speed does not impress in highlights and I didn’t think he had to work for yardage. I am not sure if in the NFL he is much better than Moss or Singletary. If you are not getting a speed back in the sub 4.45 range - I think you are wasting your pick if you are the Bills. To me Harris just is not worth the pick - it is like CEH in KC. A first round pick that was no better than 3rd round guys like Singletary or Moss. Maybe he will develop, but you have a limited 4 years - if I am drafting in the first round with the critical 5th year option - I am not drafting RB. Harris becomes much better if I can shift back 10 picks into the 2nd round and acquire more picks, but not in the first. 1
Thurman#1 Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: So you'd rather reach for the 4th or 5th best edge, LB, or CB instead of picking the BPA and one of the top RBs? Dont get me wrong, I'd love to be able to fill a defensive hole there. But it's not like our RBs are set at all either, and we have a shot at one of the best in the draft. Where a guy fits in the rankings at his position in any given year matters not at all. Being the 5th best WR last year (according to draft position) meant you were Justin Jefferson. The year before it meant you were Mecole Hardman at #56. The year before that, Christian Kirk. The year before that Curtis Samuel. That's some major variation, and that's how it goes. There are good years and bad years for position groups. Being the 5th best DE last year meant you were AJ Epenesa (again going by where they were drafted). The year before, Montez Sweat was 4th. Frank Clark was #10 his year and Arik Armstead was #4 the same year. What matters is how good a guy is compared to all players in positions of reasonable need that year. I'd answer yes to your question in a second because I don't think RB is a position of reasonable need. Now, if they think Harris is a top ten player and that he sticks out way above everyone else at #30, I'd expect them to grab him. But I don't think they'll feel that way even if he's available. 1 2
BillsShredder83 Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 4 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Jeremy White was saying similar things the other day..I could see other positions obviously too but it is interesting to see the national media now starting to link the Bills to RBs I've gone from thinking we should, to now thinking it's below priority of the oline, and all positions on DL. What I will say though is if the Bills decide to take harris/ etienne i'll be excited, I trust the front office, and it'll mean they've made a good decision. (Wouldn't cry about Pitts or kadarius toney either)
DrDawkinstein Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 10 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Where a guy fits in the rankings at his position in any given year matters not at all. Being the 5th best WR last year (according to draft position) meant you were Justin Jefferson. The year before it meant you were Mecole Hardman at #56. The year before that, Christian Kirk. The year before that Curtis Samuel. That's some major variation, and that's how it goes. There are good years and bad years for position groups. Being the 5th best DE last year meant you were AJ Epenesa (again going by where they were drafted). The year before, Montez Sweat was 4th. Frank Clark was #10 his year and Arik Armstead was #4 the same year. Very good point, but I'd rather have Harris over another Epenesa. 1
bobobonators Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 (edited) I would be against a RB with the first pick. This offense is geared towards the pass - emphasize that. We have a RB on our practice squad that dominated Miami, call him up. Do we know how good Moss can be yet? So much capital invested at RBfor a team that doesnt focus on running the ball is not a good move in my opinion. Edited February 11, 2021 by bobobonators
Bob in STL Posted February 11, 2021 Posted February 11, 2021 4 hours ago, gotme365 said: That would be an awful pick especially since they drafted RBs the last 2 years. It’s not a smart investment It depends on who the sign in free agency. I can see several veteran players released to add cap money for a proven Edge rusher. I doubt we can draft one at 30 that can make a big impact right away and we are ready to win now. Of we lose Milano (LB) or Williams (RT) then they could pick his replacement with this pick as well.
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