Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Every single Village job does it in the United States so why can’t the NFL.
Rigotz Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Sometimes you get really good coaches out of family bloodlines. -Kyle Shanahan is a heck of a coach and so was his dad. -John Harbaugh is a heck of a coach and so was his dad. You might say the same about his brother, Jim Harbaugh. -Wade Phillips was a good defensive coach and so was his dad. If I hired someone at work and they did a great job and they had a son ... sure, I'd be inclined to try to double-dip. You probably would too. 1
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: Every single Village job does it in the United States so why can’t the NFL. True but this would be a much bigger discussion. It’s why some people what things like the Rooney rule (it is flawed and nepotism is probably the bigger issue). I was raised by a single mom who did everything for my brother and I. But when I went to Canisius, I was one of the poorer kids in the school. It was hard watching the kids with the most money, who got worse grades and in more trouble, just be fine because they had daddy to bail them out. Things worked out for me but I do think this recycling of coaches hurts the product. Think about the wildcard and offenses now. They could have been in the league well before they became popular but you have the same recycled coaches who are afraid to try things new. like why should Belichick’s weirdo son get a shot than a guy who has proven himself at other levels? I think that does hurt the product a bit. 1 minute ago, Rigotz said: Sometimes you get really good coaches out of family bloodlines. -Kyle Shanahan is a heck of a coach and so was his dad. -John Harbaugh is a heck of a coach and so was his dad. You might say the same about his brother, Jim Harbaugh. -Wade Phillips was a good defensive coach and so was his dad. If I hired someone at work and they did a great job and they had a son ... sure, I'd be inclined to try to double-dip. You probably would too. True and but couldn’t there be other bloodlines out there who just haven’t been given a chance? todd Haley was a golfer at 3 colleges. Never played or coach football at any level. Daddy was in the Steelers got him a job. and yes, I’m totally jealous! Though I would never want to coach. That sucks. 2
LittleSammy Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Kind of like purchasing a sports franchise(s) and naming your spouse the President........ 1
Beerball Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Lamont wouldn’t have had a job if not for nepotism. It’s everywhere people. 1
dpberr Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) Don't think for a minute teams always hire the "best" candidate or GM. They don't. They are often manipulated and steered to certain candidates by consultants and coaching agents. In no universe, including all of the parallel ones where strange things happen, has any NFL team said they were lucky to pick Adam Gase because he was the best choice. Juan Castillo's agent is the greatest agent of all time in any sport. There is absolutely no one better at accomplishing the mission of getting their client a job. That man has been a nightmare of a coach at so many professional stops yet gets jobs with ease, sometimes the very next year after being fired. Edited February 10, 2021 by dpberr 1
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 If you look up Nepotism in the dictionary Adam Sandler picture pops up. 1
aceman_16 Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Of course we also have the professional cheaters signings, the Reids, the Ryans, the Shanahans, the Moras, the Schottenheimers, the Carrolls, etc. and not just due to laws making it more difficult to get family members to testify against family matters against their will. Some will say the family members get a lot of experience others will not get for they help their fathers as effectively unpaid interns but when they are employed they seem to rise in level very fast getting opportunities coaches with more experience get. Another family member has been promoted up the chain: Gary Kubiak has retired to his ranch in Texas, his son has been signed as OC. https://www.pro32.ap.org/article/klint-kubiak-moves-vikings-oc-after-dads-retirement I hate to break it to ya....but nepotism is alive in every field/occupation.
CorkScrewHill Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 2 hours ago, Limeaid said: Of course we also have the professional cheaters signings, the Reids, the Ryans, the Shanahans, the Moras, the Schottenheimers, the Carrolls, etc. and not just due to laws making it more difficult to get family members to testify against family matters against their will. Some will say the family members get a lot of experience others will not get for they help their fathers as effectively unpaid interns but when they are employed they seem to rise in level very fast getting opportunities coaches with more experience get. Another family member has been promoted up the chain: Gary Kubiak has retired to his ranch in Texas, his son has been signed as OC. https://www.pro32.ap.org/article/klint-kubiak-moves-vikings-oc-after-dads-retirement I really think this is one of the reasons that the league has a problem with diversity. It is hard to get a job in the NFL no matter your race unless you have a father who is in that position. It is rampant. Steve Belicheck is another example. 1
bigK14094 Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 In the business I helped run for a few decades, we tried to implement an anti nepotism rule in hiring on the salary side of the business.. (of course, the union already had that in their contract, nothing to be done about that...we had to hire from a referal list and that was all their kids.) But, we got sued quick enough and lost in court...you cannot have an anti-neopotism requirement in hiring. It would infringe on the rights of those "related" job candidates. So much for good intentions.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 1 hour ago, LittleSammy said: Kind of like purchasing a sports franchise(s) and naming your spouse the President........ Hey, some women get big humongulous diamonds, others get football teams
Man with No Name Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 no big deal. this is life. and still, the cream will always rise.
mannc Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Limeaid said: Of course we also have the professional cheaters signings, the Reids, the Ryans, the Shanahans, the Moras, the Schottenheimers, the Carrolls, etc. and not just due to laws making it more difficult to get family members to testify against family matters against their will. Some will say the family members get a lot of experience others will not get for they help their fathers as effectively unpaid interns but when they are employed they seem to rise in level very fast getting opportunities coaches with more experience get. Another family member has been promoted up the chain: Gary Kubiak has retired to his ranch in Texas, his son has been signed as OC. https://www.pro32.ap.org/article/klint-kubiak-moves-vikings-oc-after-dads-retirement This is one of the main reasons the Rooney Rule was put in place. Obviously, this stuff still goes on, though.
Southern_Bills Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 I'm not saying it's the right thing to do but very few humans can say they wouldn't help their offspring prosper given the chance. Should the NFL crackdown? Would be rather hard to do so considering it's all backroom deals with no proof.
JerseyBills Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 3 hours ago, MJS said: A lot of them are good coaches, though. Even Rex took his team to two AFC Championship games. Idc what anyone says. Rex was a defensive guru , I think his defense requires very detailed skillsets for alot of positions , for them to be successful and that's the problem with the scheme but that's a helluva accomplishment, especially with Sanchez as your QB. Anyone saying that a coaches son or family member doesn't have an advantage over other coaches is lieing to themselves
zonabb Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Imagine thinking that being the child of a successful person should disqualify you for a job. That's the argument here. 1
boater Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 OK.. there's nepotism. Just remember, it's not against the law. The NFL franchises are family businesses, and mothership NFL is exempt. This isn't Erie County, New York State of Federal civil service we're talking about.
LABILLBACKER Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 5 hours ago, BringMetheHeadofLeonLett said: Coaching I can somewhat understand, but It feels wrong....... BUT, Referees??? The Ed/Shawn Hochuli Referee Dynasty really chaps my hide. The senior Hochuli was an embarrassment to the game of football, and now we get stuck with his spawn for decades to come. As long as we don't have any Walt jrs popping up or Phil Luckett's grandson?
uticaclub Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, zonabb said: Imagine thinking that being the child of a successful person should disqualify you for a job. That's the argument here. That's right, if your dad worked hard to provide for your family, and you try to do the same you are an ####### and should never have a job. Edited February 10, 2021 by uticaclub
Don Otreply Posted February 10, 2021 Posted February 10, 2021 Like it or not, Nepotism is part of the human condition. Being that we humans are all tribal when push comes to shove. It should surprise no-one, ever.., 1
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