Saxum Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 Quote There are some good dudes tho. Jon Kitna it’s probably one of the best people I’ve ever met. He’s up there with Tom Hanks. I was wondering does he actually know Tom Hanks or is it just what he sees in trades and TV? Apparently yes. https://supersundayhq.com/houston-super-bowl-party-and-events-news-2017-sb51/martellus-bennett-espn-super-bowl-party/ Quote The constant reminder of who you used to be by fans and trophies and highlights and family as you’re trying to transition into the new you really slows down the process. Best for those people not be attending autograph shows, etc. during this period. Most of the athletes I have met post retirement seem to be fairly well adjusted and enjoy hanging out with fans post career. Most of them also are still involved in charities and their former teammates Quote The other thing that I’ve talked guys they is no longer being a part of the locker room. Understanding that a lot of people weren’t really their friend it was just the proximity that brought the closeness. Really hurts athletes. After all you’ve been thru you would think y’all That is what helps with our Superbowl era stars - they seem to still have connections with each other and some are texting each other every day. And there are plenty who seem well adjusted and doing well even if they took different paths to get there.
Malazan Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 I think he says a lot of things that don't get said a lot and while many may say, after the fact, that it wasn't worth it... almost all of them if they went back in time would do it all over again for the money.
Mark80 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, H2o said: No, it wasn't just CTE. That almost certainly played a part of it, but there was more to the entire story. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9410051/a-year-later-one-junior-seau-close-friends-comes-forward-recount-version-descent 2 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: It wasnt all CTE. CTE often becomes the convenient excuse/scapegoat because we have such a warped view of mental illness and emotional struggle in this country. These guys would rather blame it on a brain injury than admit they have issues that are not so physical and far more abstract, nuanced, and therefore trickier to treat. 2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: You think a permanently injured brain (from football) wouldn't make it hard to adjust back? Nobody is saying you need to donate money, it doesn't cost anything to try and put yourself in their shoes. It's a different set of problems than us with 9-5s, doesn't make it less valid What I'm saying is that CTE is the major contributor to suicides for former NFL players. CTE has been shown to lead to depressions, confusion, and other brain issues, right? I would like to see a study of suicide rates of former players without CTE damage compared to that of the general population. If it's higher (statistically significantly higher to show a correlation) then I can buy off on the "Oh it's so hard to adjust to normal life" talk track. I would venture to guess, yes guess as I have no idea, that it isn't and the issues of depression, suicide, psychosis, etc. are raised to a statistically significant amount only when CTE is involved as the catalyst. In no way am I an expert on the subject, but from my limited knowledge that is how I understand it. Please inform me otherwise if I'm wrong.
Buffalo Junction Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 2 hours ago, teef said: i've mentioned it before, but my brother in law played pro sports for a decade plus. he retired a few years ago, and it has been an issue. why? boredom. they're bored out of their minds. they came back "home" to live, but everyone here works during the day, has a schedule with kids at night, etc. it's a sitting around all day, waiting for something to happen scenario. See that all the time in my industry (entertainment) as well. When guys get off tour they have no clue what to do and after a few weeks they’re usually itching to get back out on tour. It’s a completely separate lifestyle from what most folks know, and it’s difficult to adapt to “normality”. That goes for the artists as well as all the techs.... Spending 6 plus months a year on the road living what amounts to an alternative lifestyle changes you, especially after you’ve done it for a decade or more. I’ve seen more than a few (myself included) fall into depression while adapting. 1
DaggersEOD Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: As someone whose dad was a professional soccer player, though not at the top level, I recognise some of what he says. My old man took like 10 years out of soccer in his 40s after playing from 16 to 35 and then coaching for 5 years and he basically was as lonely as ***** because his whole social circle came through soccer. Eventually he went back in age almost 50 to coach at a lower level just because he needed the involvement. It's a real thing for athletes the inability to adjust post career. This exact thing applies to Military members as well. 22 Vet suicides a day. 😰 1 1
GoBills808 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Mark80 said: What I'm saying is that CTE is the major contributor to suicides for former NFL players. CTE has been shown to lead to depressions, confusion, and other brain issues, right? I would like to see a study of suicide rates of former players without CTE damage compared to that of the general population. If it's higher (statistically significantly higher to show a correlation) then I can buy off on the "Oh it's so hard to adjust to normal life" talk track. I would venture to guess, yes guess as I have no idea, that it isn't and the issues of depression, suicide, psychosis, etc. are raised to a statistically significant amount only when CTE is involved as the catalyst. In no way am I an expert on the subject, but from my limited knowledge that is how I understand it. Please inform me otherwise if I'm wrong. You're not wrong. It's why he shot himself in the chest.
GunnerBill Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 54 minutes ago, Gugny said: How upset would he be if he saw/heard you referring to it as soccer? Hahaha. He would understand the context. He does watch the NFL a bit. Was into it in the 80s when it first got shown over here. Scandalously, or maybe no strangely appropriately, he is a fan of the Football Team.
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 4 hours ago, Beast said: Welcome to the real world. People in almost every profession have a hard time leaving close friends and the bonds behind, as well as their self-worth starts to be questioned. Yes, but not many careers end so young. Nor do so many careers have groupies or magnificently high salaries. A few do, movie stars and such, but sports are different.
GunnerBill Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 18 minutes ago, DaggersEOD said: This exact thing applies to Military members as well. 22 Vet suicides a day. 😰 Yea I think it is in general population a hetrosexual man issue - loneliness in later life and diminished friendship groups. The research I have seen suggests women and gay men are better at maintaining friendship groups into later life. That is exacerbated by environments like the military and pro sport where is that really close sense of brotherhood in early adult life that suddenly gets stripped away. I think it was a contributing factor to the breakdown of my parents' marriage. Not the only one but a significant one. My dad had no outlets at all. He really had no life outside the family. 1 minute ago, Thurman#1 said: Yes, but not many careers end so young. Nor do so many careers have groupies or magnificently high salaries. A few do, movie stars and such, but sports are different. Or that same sense of brotherhood. I have good work friends but I don't shower with them on a daily basis, or travel around the country on a specially chartered flight / coach for considerable time each week. It is just different the environment in a locker room than in a conventional office type workplace.
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 3 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: It wasnt all CTE. CTE often becomes the convenient excuse/scapegoat because we have such a warped view of mental illness and emotional struggle in this country. These guys would rather blame it on a brain injury than admit they have issues that are not so physical and far more abstract, nuanced, and therefore trickier to treat. Sure, in some of these guys it's not all CTE. But CTE isn't just a brain injury. It's progressive and degenerative, brings about major behavioral change, depression, etc. Sure, some CTE folks have other problems. Others don't and they still suffer horribly from CTE, if they get it. 3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I think it is in general population a hetrosexual man issue - loneliness in later life and diminished friendship groups. The research I have seen suggests women and gay men are better at maintaining friendship groups into later life. That is exacerbated by environments like the military and pro sport where is that really close sense of brotherhood in early adult life that suddenly gets stripped away. I think it was a contributing factor to the breakdown of my parents' marriage. Not the only one but a significant one. My dad had no outlets at all. He really had no life outside the family. Or that same sense of brotherhood. I have good work friends but I don't shower with them on a daily basis, or travel around the country on a specially chartered flight / coach for considerable time each week. It is just different the environment in a locker room than in a conventional office type workplace. Yup, fair enough. It's different. Edited February 3, 2021 by Thurman#1
teef Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 38 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said: See that all the time in my industry (entertainment) as well. When guys get off tour they have no clue what to do and after a few weeks they’re usually itching to get back out on tour. It’s a completely separate lifestyle from what most folks know, and it’s difficult to adapt to “normality”. That goes for the artists as well as all the techs.... Spending 6 plus months a year on the road living what amounts to an alternative lifestyle changes you, especially after you’ve done it for a decade or more. I’ve seen more than a few (myself included) fall into depression while adapting. oh i bet. it's just such an abrupt change of lifestyle. down time is nice, but when it begins to drag on that depression sets in. when i was out of work for 10 weeks during the beginning of the pandemic, i thought i was going to lose my mind...and that was with me knowing that i'd eventually go back. it was far too much down time for me. 1
JMF2006 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 So he blew all all his money and craves the limelight and now that he has to work like everyone else he is bitter and resentful. Maybe he could team up with his brother or Marshall and become a Tag Team in wrestling....make some money and get back in the limelight.;)
DrDawkinstein Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 14 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yea I think it is in general population a hetrosexual man issue - loneliness in later life and diminished friendship groups. The research I have seen suggests women and gay men are better at maintaining friendship groups into later life. That is exacerbated by environments like the military and pro sport where is that really close sense of brotherhood in early adult life that suddenly gets stripped away. I think it was a contributing factor to the breakdown of my parents' marriage. Not the only one but a significant one. My dad had no outlets at all. He really had no life outside the family. The demographic most affected by suicide is middle-aged men. And has been for decades. A lot of pressure, not allowed to show emotion, must be "the strong one" for everyone else, and no outlets for dealing with it. 1
Beast Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 16 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: Yes, but not many careers end so young. Nor do so many careers have groupies or magnificently high salaries. A few do, movie stars and such, but sports are different. Military, Police, Fire, people getting transferred in companies....the list goes on and on. Every day problems.
DrDawkinstein Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, JMF2006 said: So he blew all all his money and craves the limelight and now that he has to work like everyone else he is bitter and resentful. Maybe he could team up with his brother or Marshall and become a Tag Team in wrestling....make some money and get back in the limelight.;) Just now, Beast said: Military, Police, Fire, people getting transferred in companies....the list goes on and on. Every day problems. And it's these types of attitudes that keep perpetuating untreated mental illness as a major problem. 1
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 3 hours ago, H2o said: No, it wasn't just CTE. That almost certainly played a part of it, but there was more to the entire story. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/9410051/a-year-later-one-junior-seau-close-friends-comes-forward-recount-version-descent What part of that is not likely to be related to CTE? CTE symptoms include vulnerability to addictions and alcoholism, they include extreme irresponsibility with money, terrible problems sleeping, anxiety aggression, impulse control generally, suicidal tendencies and dementia. There's nothing there that isn't very likely caused by CTE. No way to prove it, of course, but that's what these CTE narratives sound like. Read the one about Mike Webster? Absolutely heart-breaking. Several times there people talk about Seau's descent. He may have been a drug user and had an alcohol problem before but it suddenly got worse as he spiralled. This is all pretty typical, though it happened earlier with Seau then with some.
JMF2006 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And it's these types of attitudes that keep perpetuating untreated mental illness as a major problem. Maybe they need a symposium for all the guys retiring like they do for the rookies coming in to league.
Beast Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: And it's these types of attitudes that keep perpetuating untreated mental illness as a major problem. So, it's only related to football and professional sports is what you are saying? Because, if you aren't, like I said, every day problems that everyone deals with. All of us.
Thurman#1 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Beast said: Military, Police, Fire, people getting transferred in companies....the list goes on and on. Every day problems. So, in the military, police and fire companies and in transfers, around 99% of their careers are over by the late 30s like they are in football? Come on, man. I'm not saying those careers aren't also tough rows to hoe and worthy of great respect. But the rates at which those careers end young doesn't even approach football. And while plenty of members of the military voluntarily opt out young, that's not the same as being forced out in football because you can't do the job anymore. Again, not saying military, police, first responders, etc. don't deserve our respect, understanding and more support than they may be getting. They do deserve those things. Edited February 3, 2021 by Thurman#1
GoBills808 Posted February 3, 2021 Posted February 3, 2021 Just now, Beast said: So, it's only related to football and professional sports is what you are saying? Because, if you aren't, like I said, every day problems that everyone deals with. All of us. I think he's saying certain professions present circumstances likely to exacerbate existing mental illness, and pro football is one of the best examples. 1
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