Nelius Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Unexpected. Saw a lot of people penciling Stafford in at San Francisco. I'm telling you the Niners QB prospects are looking bleak and they will not be good this year. Goff is Kirk Cousins lite. QB purgatory. Detroit's gonna get their QB of the future with one of those picks. Edited January 31, 2021 by Nelius
Hapless Bills Fan Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 So I did a bit of looking. Detroit has about $2M in cap assuming a $176M floor Stafford as trade leaves them with $19M in dead money, $14M savings vs. the $33M cap hit he had on the books this year. Goff will be due $27.5M in salary and roster bonus So they're actually OK. Stafford for Goff helps their cap a bit The Rams, on the other hand, are $31.2M in red ink on cap space. Goff as trade gives them $22M of dead cap and saves them $12.75M vs the $34.95M they had on the books BUT, Stafford will be due $27,5M in salary and big honkin' roster bonus from the Rams. So I think they're worse off and need $46M in cap They may need to have a fire sale. Think they'll move anyone we want? Info is from Overthecap and may be off here and there from Spotrac 5 minutes ago, Nelius said: Unexpected. Saw a lot of people penciling Stafford in at San Francisco. I'm telling you the Niners QB prospects are looking bleak and they will not be good this year. Goff is not the QB that Detroit deserves. Complete purgatory. I feel sorry for that fanbase. Not a Garoppolo fan? I don't see Goff as being the QB for an Anthony Lynn offensive system in Detroit. 1 1
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) 43 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said: How many SB wins? How much better have they gotten in the last three years as they trade away those first round picks? How good is their cap situation as they trade away the chance to get good young players on rookie contracts for the chance to own older players on expensive second contracts? Winning one post-season game this year and not making the playoffs last year should not be seen as a good result for a team that made the Super Bowl in 2018. Most people will say it will be worth it if they win one SB... even if they then are a rabble for the next 5 years after... Personally I would prefer to go about ultimate success in a more conventional way like the Bills are doing as you set yourself up for a longer window... However... the Rams Management the past 4 years or so have shown that they aren’t idiots if you look at their record over that time compared to the rest of the League.. I think this move makes them better in 2021 than this year and the NFC is weak.. Does it make them better long term? No way but that’s the road they have chosen to go down.. Edited January 31, 2021 by Aussie Joe
Nelius Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 8 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Not a Garoppolo fan? I don't see Goff as being the QB for an Anthony Lynn offensive system in Detroit. Bigger fan of Jimmy G than Nick Mullens, that's for sure. I was assuming he's out of San Francisco but I'm looking into it now and opinions seem mixed as of about 12 hours ago, so maybe he'll stick. There was a ton of chatter in recent weeks that he was out and Stafford would land in San Francisco, so had they lost out on both it would have been a mess.
BADOLBILZ Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 11 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So I did a bit of looking. Detroit has about $2M in cap assuming a $176M floor Stafford as trade leaves them with $19M in dead money, $14M savings vs. the $33M cap hit he had on the books this year. Goff will be due $27.5M in salary and roster bonus So they're actually OK. Stafford for Goff helps their cap a bit The Rams, on the other hand, are $31.2M in red ink on cap space. Goff as trade gives them $22M of dead cap and saves them $12.75M vs the $34.95M they had on the books BUT, Stafford will be due $27,5M in salary and big honkin' roster bonus from the Rams. So I think they're worse off and need $46M in cap They may need to have a fire sale. Think they'll move anyone we want? I think they will play it like the Saints did the past 3 years and push that debt down the road. Their rationale would be having a "#1 defense" right now justifies going for it. 2
Nihilarian Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) Did the Rams think they were trading the Texans for Watson in giving up all those picks? For Stafford...? Since the Lions now owe Goff more than $43 million in guaranteed money over the next two years... The Rams, 7 years with no first round pick... Anyway, I'm of the frame of mind that all other NFL teams are looking at Buffalo and saying how did we miss on this kid? The Jets...the Browns 2x...Denver...the NY Giants...Indy... Edited January 31, 2021 by Nihilarian
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 2 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: 2 firsts and a 3rd. Seems like too much. Rams got fleeced. Stafford is an upgrade, but not worth that kind of bounty.
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 21 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: So I did a bit of looking. Detroit has about $2M in cap assuming a $176M floor Stafford as trade leaves them with $19M in dead money, $14M savings vs. the $33M cap hit he had on the books this year. Goff will be due $27.5M in salary and roster bonus So they're actually OK. Stafford for Goff helps their cap a bit The Rams, on the other hand, are $31.2M in red ink on cap space. Goff as trade gives them $22M of dead cap and saves them $12.75M vs the $34.95M they had on the books BUT, Stafford will be due $27,5M in salary and big honkin' roster bonus from the Rams. So I think they're worse off and need $46M in cap They may need to have a fire sale. Think they'll move anyone we want? Info is from Overthecap and may be off here and there from Spotrac Not a Garoppolo fan? I don't see Goff as being the QB for an Anthony Lynn offensive system in Detroit. Cooper Kupp
Heavy Kevi Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Love what this does to Watson's value if he gets dealt into the AFCE.
TheBrownBear Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Holy crap. That's a ton to give up for a 32 year old QB who has never won a playoff game. Is anyone scared of Matthew Stafford? LMAO 1
stevestojan Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 According to my math, that makes Josh worth 475.4 first round picks. 1
bobobonators Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 What is the love affair with Stafford. Goff last season had a typical Stafford-like season statistically. Their career TD%, and INT% is almost identical. One of these two has actually won playoff games. Stafford is not much of an improvement over Goff.
MJS Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Wow. Talk about an overpay. Stafford is already 32...
bobobonators Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 2 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said: Holy crap. That's a ton to give up for a 32 year old QB who has never won a playoff game. Is anyone scared of Matthew Stafford? LMAO Agreed. Stafford had one truly great season, almost 10yrs ago now.
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, bobobonators said: What is the love affair with Stafford. Goff last season had a typical Stafford-like season statistically. Their career TD%, and INT% is almost identical. One of these two has actually won playoff games. Stafford is not much of an improvement over Goff. I was having a look at the 49ers and Seahawks message boards... they seem to think differently...
MJS Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 3 minutes ago, bobobonators said: What is the love affair with Stafford. Goff last season had a typical Stafford-like season statistically. Their career TD%, and INT% is almost identical. One of these two has actually won playoff games. Stafford is not much of an improvement over Goff. I guess the theory is that Stafford has been held back by his crappy organization and that Goff has been propped up by the rest of the team and McVay. But I'm guessing the truth is somewhere in the middle for both players. I don't see this changing the Rams significantly. 1
wppete Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 I feel the Lions just robbed the rams. Great deal for Detroit.
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 57 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Have you watched them both play football? Goff is no near the QB Stafford is. And yet Goff seems to be much better at winning football games...
Nextmanup Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 3 hours ago, Captain_Quint said: 2 firsts and a 3rd. Seems like too much. Way too much at this stage of the game for Stafford.
Aussie Joe Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 1 minute ago, mannc said: And yet Goff seems to be much better at winning football games... I will be watching him closely this year in Detroit to see how many games he wins there...
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