TheBeaneBandit Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:20 PM, YoloinOhio said: Yes it is “In principle” and either side can back out prior to it being finalized next month Expand Cool thanks for the response! I just didn't know. What is the date trades would be official?
LABILLBACKER Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 People need to pump the brakes a little on Stafford. He was 0-3 in the playoffs and even had Megatron. I think he'll help the Rams over the next couple years but after that the effect of losing all these picks for players like Ramsey & Stafford will take their toll. 3 1
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:22 PM, mannc said: He played the most important position on the field for 11 seasons...At what point can we say he was part of the problem? Expand 2
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:04 PM, Nihilarian said: "Sometimes, you have to look beyond the obvious to see how things work in the future. The Rams got a much, much, better quarterback at a time when they have everything else they need to contend. The Lions just hamstrung themselves with a supremely limited quarterback at a time when they’re going through a massive rebuild. Draft picks or not, the Rams won this trade in a landslide, and that’s why." https://www.yahoo.com/sports/why-rams-won-stafford-goff-044505617.html Expand The article offers zero evidence in support of its main premise—That Matt Stafford is a MUCH better QB than Jared Goff. On 1/31/2021 at 5:10 PM, ScottLaw said: Well... he did play for the Lions. Probably the worst run franchise in the sport. Expand Lot of competition for that title... On 1/31/2021 at 5:25 PM, RaoulDuke79 said: Expand Stafford has hardly been without weapons in his career in Detroit. The absence of a great running back is a weak excuse for his lack of success...
whatdrought Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:32 PM, BillsFan4 said: well I like him even more now! 😂 Expand Fan-freaking tastic... 4
RaoulDuke79 Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:26 PM, mannc said: Stafford has hardly been without weapons in his career in Detroit. The absence of a great running back is a weak excuse for his lack of success... Expand He's the fastest player in NFL history to 40K yards. What's your measure of success? Superbowl wins? Playoff wins?
RangerDave Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:26 PM, mannc said: The article offers zero evidence in support of its main premise—That Matt Stafford is a MUCH better QB than Jared Goff. Lot of competition for that title... Stafford has hardly been without weapons in his career in Detroit. The absence of a great running back is a weak excuse for his lack of success... Expand The lack of 100-yard rushers can be attributed to a terrible offensive line as well as a lack of a great running back. I think Stafford played behind poor protectors, if I recall correctly. That surely had to affect his play and success, or lack thereof, no?
Coach Tuesday Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:32 PM, BillsFan4 said: well I like him even more now! 😂 Expand But why is that? He didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of the GOAT? Didn’t want hard coaching?
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 5:24 PM, LABILLBACKER said: People need to pump the brakes a little on Stafford. He was 0-3 in the playoffs and even had Megatron. I think he'll help the Rams over the next couple years but after that the effect of losing all these picks for players like Ramsey & Stafford will take their toll. Expand Lol, the Rams were supposedly dead last year without their first round picks. One year later and they are back to competing in the postseason. Sean McVay has never had a losing season. He’s done this with a QB who is viewed as a negative asset by the NFL. Waiting for the ball to drop is taking awhile. Edited January 31, 2021 by FireChans
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:21 PM, dave mcbride said: He’s more talented and McVay is betting on talent. Betting on talent is the way to go, I think. Expand The question is can you win a Super Bowl without your QB playing at a top 5 level? The final 4 teams this year had arguably the 4 best QBs in the league. Stafford has always been on the borderline of top 10 QB but he's never played at that elite level. I question if any team can beat KC in the playoffs without elite QB play. San Fran showed you the ceiling of that style last year. Stafford is better than Garrappolo but I'm not sure it's a big enough difference to matter.
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:36 PM, Coach Tuesday said: But why is that? He didn’t want to follow in the footsteps of the GOAT? Didn’t want hard coaching? Expand Bad taste in his mouth after the Matt Patricia experience? On 1/31/2021 at 5:38 PM, HappyDays said: The question is can you win a Super Bowl without your QB playing at a top 5 level? The final 4 teams this year had arguably the 4 best QBs in the league. Stafford has always been on the borderline of top 10 QB but he's never played at that elite level. I question if any team can beat KC in the playoffs without elite QB play. San Fran showed you the ceiling of that style last year. Stafford is better than Garrappolo but I'm not sure it's a big enough difference to matter. Expand Every team in the NFL can’t just fold up and tank and let the Chiefs win every year.
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:34 PM, RaoulDuke79 said: He's the fastest player in NFL history to 40K yards. What's your measure of success? Superbowl wins? Playoff wins? Expand How about just wins? And if you want to talk about yards, Goff passed for more yards and YPA the past four seasons (Goff’s only ones as a starter) than Stafford.
DCOrange Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:36 PM, RangerDave said: The lack of 100-yard rushers can be attributed to a terrible offensive line as well as a lack of a great running back. I think Stafford played behind poor protectors, if I recall correctly. That surely had to affect his play and success, or lack thereof, no? Expand Poor OLine, poor RBs, and poor defenses. Other than that though, he was set up well for success. 1 2
HappyDays Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 (edited) On 1/31/2021 at 5:39 PM, FireChans said: Bad taste in his mouth after the Matt Patricia experience? Every team in the NFL can’t just fold up and tank and let the Chiefs win every year. Expand It's not about tanking, it's about being realistic and spending your draft picks accordingly. Every team in the league with Super Bowl aspirations should be making their decisions with the question "does this help me beat KC?" in mind. I don't think trading multiple high picks for Stafford is a yes to that question. But it's also really really hard to find a QB capable of playing at that level so it's a tough question. Does Stafford make them more competitive? Yes. Does he help them win a Super Bowl in the Mahomes era? I have my doubts. Edited January 31, 2021 by HappyDays
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:44 PM, HappyDays said: It's not about tanking, it's about being realistic and spending your draft picks accordingly. Every team in the league with Super Bowl aspirations should be making their decisions with the question "does this help me beat KC?" in mind. I don't think trading multiple high picks for Stafford is a yes to that question. But it's also really really hard to find a QB capable of playing at that level so it's a tough question. Does Stafford make them more competitive? Yes. Does he help them win a Super Bowl? I have my doubts. Expand What move is a yes to that question besides trading for Patrick Mahomes instead? On 1/31/2021 at 5:41 PM, mannc said: How about just wins? And if you want to talk about yards, Goff passed for more yards and YPA the past four seasons (Goff’s only ones as a starter) than Stafford. Expand Matt Stafford is better than Goff. We know for certain 2 teams agree with that.
mannc Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:45 PM, FireChans said: Matt Stafford is better than Goff. We know for certain 2 teams agree with that. Expand No question that the Rams think that, but I would argue that NFL teams often are pretty lousy at evaluating QBs—even their own QBs.
No_Matter_What Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 Didn't have time to go throught the thread, so sorry if this was discussed... Anybody has a clue if it is realistic for Lions to trade Goff now? Does it create any dead cap for them? I swear I educate myself on these matters this offseason.
FireChans Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 On 1/31/2021 at 5:52 PM, mannc said: No question that the Rams think that, but I would argue that NFL teams often are pretty lousy at evaluating QBs—even their own QBs. Expand The Lions too considering they asked for more compensation to take Goff. I would argue fans are just as lousy.
Nihilarian Posted January 31, 2021 Posted January 31, 2021 "When it comes to picking a new team, it partially was Stafford’s decision. And his decision was to accept a trade anywhere but New England." https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/01/31/report-matthew-stafford-was-willing-to-go-anywhere-but-new-england/ So awesome! 1 3
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