Saxum Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: As has been pointed out, Palmer sat out or retired with $80 million in the bank. So far Watson has only netted about half that amount. I don't think money is an issue this year. But next year it could be. Money is entire issue. He has control where he goes so can talk to them about renegotiation after being traded. He also gets to pocket 3/4 of signing bonus. Not once has he said he hates it so much he is willing to give that money back. Texans should fine him, fine him and fine him. Be prepared for him to come back week 10 to collect year of seniority and have an owwie being unable to play very soon after he comes back while being seen off the field playing golf or something.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 2 hours ago, colin said: i don't doubt the FO situation in houston is awful, but Watson signed the contract. it's tight, but i think it may be better for the league (for fans, we are the only ones who matter) if houston punishes him. players getting bigger than teams is a bridge too far. So what about the billionaire owner who would cut Watson for no money going forward in a second if he gets hurt and valuable to them? Fans who take the owner’s side in nfl contract disputes are strange. In football, you always take the money when you can. It’s too risky not to. But Watson has done everything right and that team has become a joke. 1
colin Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: So what about the billionaire owner who would cut Watson for no money going forward in a second if he gets hurt and valuable to them? Fans who take the owner’s side in nfl contract disputes are strange. In football, you always take the money when you can. It’s too risky not to. But Watson has done everything right and that team has become a joke. lol, i don't care dude. you aren't in the union w watson bro, he's a guy we watch on TV. I think a balance has to happen for good football to be watched (which is all i care about, and all that matters, the league is for the fans, no fans, no NLF). i want the bills to win and the football to be of a higher and higher level. i think NBA style players being bigger than the game will be a bad thing (FOR FANS) and we are already flirting with that with certain players getting the long or short end of the stick with respect to calls.
TheFunPolice Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 Texans win any conceivable Watson trade, given the ridiculous return they can expect. Figure out a way to turn this into a win for your pathetic organization if you're the Texans. You have no draft picks, you have a priest and a 65 year old first time head coach running the show. Any current or former star player is unloading on your organization. Trying to force Watson to play is not going to end well. BUT Accepting reality and cashing in enormously is the move here. Which means they will force Watson to join a prayer circle and play for the Texans in 2021. And it will get very ugly, very quickly, and put a spotlight on what a disaster that team has become. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 11 hours ago, dave mcbride said: Easterby was hired in early 2020, and Watson signed the extension 7 months later (in a covid situation). I think it’s fair to assume that he didn’t realize that he was going to be working under a cultish short-haired friend of Jesus driving a chartreuse microbus. I give Watson a hard pass on this one. Easterby and McNair suck and are toxic. To quote Janis Joplin, get out while you can. Quoting an angst ridden young person who put themselves into an early grave because they couldn't put their temporary struggles in perspective is probably a poor example of how to handle a difficult position that a young player and his agent put themselves into. Watson can start saying he was "mislead" after he finishes the 5 years with the club that he was committed to by the CBA. The only reason this is a talking point is because he ecstatically lined up to take the contract extension. It wasn't due........he jumped the line to get it. If you saw that interview afterward you realize that the man is very emotional. The only damage done since the contract signing was the firing of Bill O'Brien........which everyone including Watson knew was likely to happen. As I said........I believe the stories that his buddy James Harden's force-out raised the emotional Watson's angst about his own situation. Two entirely different league's and circumstances though. Houston should let him waste the year if that's his committment. Maybe in 5 months he will do ANOTHER 180 like he is doing now. Or maybe the Jesus freaks will figure it out. McDermott is one and he hasn't alienated himself from the locker room. 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 12 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: So what about the billionaire owner who would cut Watson for no money going forward in a second if he gets hurt and valuable to them? $110M of his new contract is GUARANTEED. I gotta' hand it to you..........when you go wrong.......you go BIG......(and then you go home and pretend you never said it, but I digress...).
dave mcbride Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 28 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: Quoting an angst ridden young person who put themselves into an early grave because they couldn't put their temporary struggles in perspective is probably a poor example of how to handle a difficult position that a young player and his agent put themselves into. Watson can start saying he was "mislead" after he finishes the 5 years with the club that he was committed to by the CBA. The only reason this is a talking point is because he ecstatically lined up to take the contract extension. It wasn't due........he jumped the line to get it. If you saw that interview afterward you realize that the man is very emotional. The only damage done since the contract signing was the firing of Bill O'Brien........which everyone including Watson knew was likely to happen. As I said........I believe the stories that his buddy James Harden's force-out raised the emotional Watson's angst about his own situation. Two entirely different league's and circumstances though. Houston should let him waste the year if that's his committment. Maybe in 5 months he will do ANOTHER 180 like he is doing now. Or maybe the Jesus freaks will figure it out. McDermott is one and he hasn't alienated himself from the locker room. Hey, he played for Dabo Sweeney, who is as big a Jesus freak as can be. Easterby appears to be a different level: a mix of religious zealot, snake oil salesman, cult leader, and Svengali. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I truly don't care, and I'm going to treat this as a test of whether this can actually happen in today's NFL. It's not as novel as people think: we have the example of Carson Palmer, who was willing to sit out for a season. He pulled it off. Check it out (from Wikipedia): "On July 26, 2011 a video posted on NFL.com showed a press conference held by Mike Brown, the president of the Bengals, stating that he did not expect Palmer to return to the Bengals for the 2011 season, the organization wished him well, and that there were no plans to trade him. When asked why he would not trade Carson, Mike Brown answered: 'Carson signed a contract. He made a commitment. He gave his word. We relied on his word. We relied on his commitment. We expected him to perform here. He's going to walk away from his commitment. We aren't going to reward him for doing it.'" They traded him two and half months later for a first round pick. Edited February 8, 2021 by dave mcbride 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Hey, he played for Dabo Sweeney, who is as big a Jesus freak as can be. Easterby appears to be a different level: a mix of religious zealot, snake oil salesman, cult leader, and Svengali. Regardless, it'll be interesting to see what happens. I truly don't care, and I'm going to treat this as a test of whether this can actually happen in today's NFL. It's not as novel as people think: we have the example of Carson Palmer, who was willing to sit out for a season. He pulled it off. Check it out (from Wikipedia): "On July 26, 2011 a video posted on NFL.com showed a press conference held by Mike Brown, the president of the Bengals, stating that he did not expect Palmer to return to the Bengals for the 2011 season, the organization wished him well, and that there were no plans to trade him. When asked why he would not trade Carson, Mike Brown answered: 'Carson signed a contract. He made a commitment. He gave his word. We relied on his word. We relied on his commitment. We expected him to perform here. He's going to walk away from his commitment. We aren't going to reward him for doing it.'" They traded him two and half months later for a first round pick. If it costs Watson a season of his career then it's at least not an L for the NFL, ownership and competitive balance. Letting him break his barely-dry-inked committment by acquiescing to his demand to be traded and letting him dictate where he will go because of the terms in the contract he is breaking would set a very bad precedent. It's ludicrous that anyone would suggest otherwise. There are a lot of people in the media who are just dying for a trade to come to fruition and trying to sell the notion that 3 first round picks would be enough.......when they most certainly know it would not........is amusing and eye roll worthy at the same time.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 41 minutes ago, colin said: lol, i don't care dude. you aren't in the union w watson bro, he's a guy we watch on TV. I think a balance has to happen for good football to be watched (which is all i care about, and all that matters, the league is for the fans, no fans, no NLF). i want the bills to win and the football to be of a higher and higher level. i think NBA style players being bigger than the game will be a bad thing (FOR FANS) and we are already flirting with that with certain players getting the long or short end of the stick with respect to calls. But that’s the point. The NFL is the only sport without guarantee contracts. The Texans can Watson any time they want and won’t have to pay him. It’s not like Harden (no respect for that situation) quitting on his team, showing up out of shape, & forcing a trade. Watson had maybe the best season of his career after they made one of the worst trades in nfl history, It’s funny that there wasn’t a lot of complaints when Eli and Elway forced trades before a they took a snap. Stafford just did the same thing and I don’t remember many people questioning him. There are only a few guy who have the power to do that in the nfl. The owners have far more power than the players. 34 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: $110M of his new contract is GUARANTEED. I gotta' hand it to you..........when you go wrong.......you go BIG......(and then you go home and pretend you never said it, but I digress...). And glad to see the years have changed you from being a Richard head, never change. 😉
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: And glad to see the years have changed you from being a Richard head, never change. 😉 Your post-Jauron unwavering disdain for management in all conflicts is only surpassed by that for anyone whose father didn't drive them out into the middle of nowhere and leave them for dead. Never ceases to amuse.
C.Biscuit97 Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, BADOLBILZ said: Your post-Jauron unwavering disdain for management in all conflicts is only surpassed by that for anyone whose father didn't drive them out into the middle of nowhere and leave them for dead. Never ceases to amuse. You’re lonely aren’t you?
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 22 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: You’re lonely aren’t you? Nah.......always have the TSW version of "The Truman Show" to tune into. We've got to watch you grow up on here. It's been cute watching your time-of-life affected opinions pop up. Such conviction every time. The lack of middle ground is what makes it so entertaining. 😁
starrymessenger Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 JMO but while player/management controversies are interesting from different perspectives the bottom line here is that it is in the interests of both parties to resolve this by the Texans trading Watson to another team. To those who claim that you never trade a franchise quarterback I say that everything has a price and a true market value, including that QBs services.
Coach Tuesday Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, starrymessenger said: JMO but while player/management controversies are interesting from different perspectives the bottom line here is that it is in the interests of both parties to resolve this by the Texans trading Watson to another team. To those who claim that you never trade a franchise quarterback I say that everything has a price and a true market value, including that QBs services. The price undermines the outcome. What is a young top-five starting QB worth? 5 first round picks? What happens to that QB's career once he gets to a team that just stripped itself of assets in order to acquire him? And on the other side, what happens to the credibility and efficacy of the franchise managers who trade him away? Their players and fanbase turn on them instantly and they may never get that trust back. It seems to me that it is in the interests of both parties NOT to do a trade... 1
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, starrymessenger said: JMO but while player/management controversies are interesting from different perspectives the bottom line here is that it is in the interests of both parties to resolve this by the Texans trading Watson to another team. To those who claim that you never trade a franchise quarterback I say that everything has a price and a true market value, including that QBs services. The Texans have been around for 19 seasons and try as they might to fill that QB position with an elite player they have only had a little over 3 seasons of having an elite QB play. You can say that it is in the "interests" of both parties to trade Watson..........but that's only true if they get his value in return. If it took them 16 years to get an elite QB.........how many first round picks is that worth with the reality that it could easily take 16 more of them to get his replacement worth? Short of getting back a franchise QB in return.........for which there are neither logical trade matches nor any reason to believe that Watson would waive his no trade clause for........its ABSOLUTLEY not in the best interest of the Texans to trade him. It's also a terrible precedent for the league. It's an unthinkable scenario, really. Literally no different than if Josh Allen suddenly decided he was just plain homesick living 3000 miles from his family farm and demanded to be traded to his hometown 49ers. If that starts happening the NFL will have to change it's rules to make the league much more run-centric to maintain competitive balance. Which is bad for both the league AND the elite QB's. Edited February 8, 2021 by BADOLBILZ 3 1
TheFunPolice Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 Texans win any trade they make, and I don't worry about long-term precedent. That organization sounds so dysfunctional that it's a rare situation. Any trade that Houston would go for if they decided to make a trade would be ridiculous, and would get rid of a headache while infusing a HUGE amount of talent and draft picks into the organization.
TheFunPolice Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) What about this: 3 way trade between the Texans, Packers and Jets: Jets get: Aaron Rodgers Packers get: Watson Texans get: Jets 2021 1st round pick (2nd overall) Jets 2021 1st round pick (23rd overall) Sam Darnold Jordan Love Packers 2021 1st round pick (29 overall) Packers 2022 1st round pick Packers 2023 1st round pick. Jets give up Darnold and 2 1sts for Rodgers. Packers give up Rodgers, Love and 3 1sts for Watson. Texans end up with 5 1st round picks and Sam Darnold and Love. That trade hurts a bit for the Packers, but they get an elite talent at QB to put on an already good team. I bet the televangelist running the Texans would say "NOPE! Watson plays here or for nobody!" Edited February 8, 2021 by TheFunPolice
Rico Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 I don’t want to throw Watson under the bus just yet, but it looks like he may be turning out to be another Kaep.
BADOLBILZ Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 10 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: Any trade that Houston would go for if they decided to make a trade would be ridiculous, and would get rid of a headache while infusing a HUGE amount of talent and draft picks into the organization. That is fiction. Watson is one of the 3-4 most valuable trade pieces in the entire NFL out of nearly 2,000 players. First round picks only pan out to the level of "worth picking up the 5th year option" at a 50% rate. The math is very much against Houston getting commensurate value..........regardless of the size of the haul of picks. 1
TheFunPolice Posted February 8, 2021 Posted February 8, 2021 Just now, Rico said: I don’t want to throw Watson under the bus just yet, but it looks like he may be turning out to be another Kaep. That's why I think the Texans would win any trade. Watson is talented, no doubt, but the return they would get would be nuts. Just now, BADOLBILZ said: That is fiction. Watson is one of the 3-4 most valuable trade pieces in the entire NFL out of nearly 2,000 players. First round picks only pan out to the level of "worth picking up the 5th year option" at a 50% rate. The math is very much against Houston getting commensurate value..........regardless of the size of the haul of picks. Would you rather have Jordan Love, Sam Darnold and 5 1st round picks in the next 2 seasons, or a malcontent version of Watson?
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