Chiefs 19m Over Salary Cap in 2021

[No_Matter_What]

25 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

We know it wont be any lower than $175M. I've seen $180M talked about recently, but no one is really sure yet. This article is pretty optimistic that it could be as high as $195M

 

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2020/12/06/optimism-emerges-regarding-2021-salary-cap/

 

Thanks for the link, I didn't find this one. There is at least some answer to my question:

 

"Time will tell what the league chooses to do. Although a projected cap typically is shared with all owners in December, the final decision isn’t made until late February or early March, through negotiations with the NFL Players Association. By then, the league will know more about whether the vaccine is being distributed and working properly, setting the stage for coffers being restored via ticket revenue in 2021."

 

If they really decide on cap in early March, I am curious if FA starts as usual. Last year it was 18 March. That gives GMs much less time to calculate things. Will be fun offseason.

[BrooklynBills]

Stop this.

 

Just a quick glance at their cap situation and I get them $20 mil under in 3 moves.

 

They have a huge benefit in that their big money guys are either expendable (OTs Fisher or Schwartz) or bonafide studs that they would have no problem restructuring to save money (DL Jones, DL Clark, S Matheiu)

[Billl]

58 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think they are as good at corner as you do... they have a good young slot corner and Fenton who has played fine but isn't a guy I'd want as my #1 outside corner. However, I do agree with you it is very unlikely value matches that need at #31 or #32. If their first pick is corner they have traded out of the first IMO. Tackle much more likely at their spot. 

Sneed may be the #1.  He’s already the best CB we’ve had since Dale Carter, and I don’t see anything about him that would mean he can only play the slot.  Right now, there’s simply no reason to move him, as Ward and Breeland are very solid.  Ward will be the #2 as he’s still cost controlled and is solid.  Fenton is a slot guy for sure, and I’d have no concerns with him being a starter.  Mix in a couple of safeties who can cover in Mathieu and Thornhill, and the team is pretty well set.  You always need more CBs for depth, but there’s  plenty of holes that need to be addressed before Corner.  I would be stunned if they went that route in the first 2 or even 3 rounds.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

They'll be fine but over the next 2 years is when the Bills have a chance to catch the Chiefs as their best players start to have increased cap hits. They won't lose their stars but the middle of the roster and depth will take a hit. 

Edited January 27, 2021 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Billl]

1 hour ago, Zerovoltz said:

 

 

I AM a Bills fan.  They are my 2nd favorite team.  I've been rooting for the Bills all year.  I was a Josh Allen hater that's been converted into a Josh Allen fan....If you had won the game sunday, I'd be chearing on the Bills to win it all.  I'll be cheering for you all again next year, except when you play KC.

Same here.  I didn’t post here much in the postseason before our matchup because I was hoping the Bills would lose before they got to us and obviously when we played them.  I didn’t want to post here while actively pulling against them, and I had the Bills and Ravens as the biggest threat to the Chiefs all season.

 

Bills fans deserve a championship.  As much as I want to win the next 20, if we only win 19 of them, I hope Buffalo gets the other one.

[Fan in Chicago]

I was talking to a colleague who is a Chiefs fan and he didn't quote numbers but thought that they may have to cut a few good players in the off-season. He and I both agreed that their window to win a second one is now. 

[Success]

It's very easy to look at how that game transpired, and think we have miles to go to catch that team.

 

They're at a plateau right now, while we're still climbing.  Our trajectory is up. At best, theirs is level - but likely inching down, if not next season than the season after. They can't keep some of those difference-makers, and everyone knows it.

 

I think just a couple of players could have turned Sunday into a win - notably, an impact pass rusher, and a genuine starting RB (no disrespect to Motor, but he's not a 30 carry a game guy).  It doesn't seem like it, but a few plays could have really turned the outcome of what happened.  

 

We'll get there.  It's rare you knock the bully off the hill w/ the 1st attempt.

 

[Zerovoltz]

KC's "best" window is now...that for sure.  But the window doesn't close for a while.  2023 is the year KC is really going to get pinched a bit by Mahomes contract....and even then, we dont' know what the cap will be in 2023 to be able to see how much of a pinch it is.

[Success]

1 minute ago, Zerovoltz said:

KC's "best" window is now...that for sure.  But the window doesn't close for a while.  2023 is the year KC is really going to get pinched a bit by Mahomes contract....and even then, we dont' know what the cap will be in 2023 to be able to see how much of a pinch it is.

 

They can stay competitive as long as they have Reid and Mahomes - not unlike BB and Brady.

 

But they won't be a video game much longer.  I'm curious how they handle a few SB wins, too.  I don't think they have the psychotic driven thing that BB and Brady had, where they were just never satisfied.  I could see the Chiefs getting a bit happy if they win next Sunday.

 

[JohnNord]

14 minutes ago, Billl said:

Same here.  I didn’t post here much in the postseason before our matchup because I was hoping the Bills would lose before they got to us and obviously when we played them.  I didn’t want to post here while actively pulling against them, and I had the Bills and Ravens as the biggest threat to the Chiefs all season.

 

Bills fans deserve a championship.  As much as I want to win the next 20, if we only win 19 of them, I hope Buffalo gets the other one.

You have to admit that there’s a good majority of your fan base who were once cool and now have turned into arrogant pricks.  I see it a lot online.  So many Chiefs fans have become the Patriots.

 

 

[Big Turk]

It may never be easier for bottom teams with a bunch of cap room to feast on players getting cut by teams way over the cap and not have to pay them a ton of money because not many teams have cap room and there are going to be a LOT of good players on the market teams simply can't afford. I see a lot of one year deals being done by players because they will wait to hit the market again when the cap starts going back up.  Could see a number of bad teams become good VERY fast by signing 5 or 6 really good players for cheaper than normal contracts.

[JohnNord]

1 minute ago, Success said:

 

They can stay competitive as long as they have Reid and Mahomes - not unlike BB and Brady.

 

But they won't be a video game much longer.  I'm curious how they handle a few SB wins, too.  I don't think they have the psychotic driven thing that BB and Brady had, where they were just never satisfied.  I could see the Chiefs getting a bit happy if they win next Sunday.

 

The Chiefs are the team that will make me do the unthinkable.... cheer for Tom Brady to win a Super Bowl.....GO BUCS

[ngbills]

They will be fine.  Guys will restructure and they will plug and play cheaper role guys. They wont pay $10M to aging role guys. They wont waste millions on special teams aces when they know you can just kick it out of the zone every time. I think the Bills will do the same when that day rolls around for them. 

[GunnerBill]

25 minutes ago, Billl said:

Sneed may be the #1.  He’s already the best CB we’ve had since Dale Carter, and I don’t see anything about him that would mean he can only play the slot.  Right now, there’s simply no reason to move him, as Ward and Breeland are very solid.  Ward will be the #2 as he’s still cost controlled and is solid.  Fenton is a slot guy for sure, and I’d have no concerns with him being a starter.  Mix in a couple of safeties who can cover in Mathieu and Thornhill, and the team is pretty well set.  You always need more CBs for depth, but there’s  plenty of holes that need to be addressed before Corner.  I would be stunned if they went that route in the first 2 or even 3 rounds.

 

I would worry about Sneed outside in space. He does his best work in the mess in the middle of the field for me. He was moved to safety his final year at Louisiana Tech for that reason. Could he play outside? Sure but I think he is potentially a top end slot whereas I think he ceiling is lower outside. Ward and Breeland are both impending FAs though, right (though Ward maybe an RFA)? And I don't think either is a top end player. Breeland had a great year, no doubt, but I have a hard time trusting him to play that well again given his career history. I love Thornhill think he is fantastic and one of the young star safeties in the National Football League and obviously Mathieu is a stud. I just don't love their corner situation as much as you. I do think it is a need though I don't see them going there round 1.

[Southern_Bills]

With the core they have middle of the road guys will look good simply because the defense won't have time to focus on them.

 

Mahomes, Hill, and Kelce will need to be stopped to stop their dynasty. 

[Billl]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I would worry about Sneed outside in space. He does his best work in the mess in the middle of the field for me. He was moved to safety his final year at Louisiana Tech for that reason. Could he play outside? Sure but I think he is potentially a top end slot whereas I think he ceiling is lower outside. Ward and Breeland are both impending FAs though, right (though Ward maybe an RFA)? And I don't think either is a top end player. Breeland had a great year, no doubt, but I have a hard time trusting him to play that well again given his career history. I love Thornhill think he is fantastic and one of the young star safeties in the National Football League and obviously Mathieu is a stud. I just don't love their corner situation as much as you. I do think it is a need though I don't see them going there round 1.

I just saw a stat that the Chiefs defense leads the NFL in completion percentage, TD/INT ratio, and QB rating allowed on passes that travel 10+ yards.  They’re also outstanding, physical tacklers who can support against the run and even get after the QB on blitzes.  I’m not the least bit concerned about that position group, and the front office has shown the ability to find quality late in the draft and off the scrap heap.

 

The defense needs another LB and could use another Edge since Clark’s health issues seem to be severely limiting him.  They also need a WR and at least one T.  Coming into the season, it looked very likely that the 2021 season could be a step back while trying to retool the roster, but this rookie class has been a literal game changer.  The team found several players who will absolutely be starters or key rotational players for the next s several seasons at RB, LB, CB, DE, DT, and P, and we still don’t know what we have with our third round T who opted out (and was rehabbing from surgery anyway).  They’re also high on Keyes at CB for whom they traded back into the seventh round.

 

The team has its nucleus of stars locked up on big contracts, and they just secured low cost players in the draft to supplement them.  Amazingly, one of them has already turned out to be a star, and CEH and Gay have star potential.  I’m very bullish on this team’s ability to remain elite for the foreseeable future.  It’s pretty much the opposite of the Royals in 2004 and 2005 when you knew that there was no way to maintain any type of long term success.

[Success]

It really wouldn't have occurred to me to go to the Ravens board last week, and talk about how I thought the Bills were set up to be just as awesome for years into the future.

 

 

[GunnerBill]

22 minutes ago, Billl said:

I just saw a stat that the Chiefs defense leads the NFL in completion percentage, TD/INT ratio, and QB rating allowed on passes that travel 10+ yards.  They’re also outstanding, physical tacklers who can support against the run and even get after the QB on blitzes.  I’m not the least bit concerned about that position group, and the front office has shown the ability to find quality late in the draft and off the scrap heap.

 

The defense needs another LB and could use another Edge since Clark’s health issues seem to be severely limiting him.  They also need a WR and at least one T.  Coming into the season, it looked very likely that the 2021 season could be a step back while trying to retool the roster, but this rookie class has been a literal game changer.  The team found several players who will absolutely be starters or key rotational players for the next s several seasons at RB, LB, CB, DE, DT, and P, and we still don’t know what we have with our third round T who opted out (and was rehabbing from surgery anyway).  They’re also high on Keyes at CB for whom they traded back into the seventh round.

 

The team has its nucleus of stars locked up on big contracts, and they just secured low cost players in the draft to supplement them.  Amazingly, one of them has already turned out to be a star, and CEH and Gay have star potential.  I’m very bullish on this team’s ability to remain elite for the foreseeable future.  It’s pretty much the opposite of the Royals in 2004 and 2005 when you knew that there was no way to maintain any type of long term success.

 

I am not in general disagreement. I do disagree on the level of need at corner. 

[BADOLBILZ]

46 minutes ago, Billl said:

I just saw a stat that the Chiefs defense leads the NFL in completion percentage, TD/INT ratio, and QB rating allowed on passes that travel 10+ yards.  They’re also outstanding, physical tacklers who can support against the run and even get after the QB on blitzes.  I’m not the least bit concerned about that position group, and the front office has shown the ability to find quality late in the draft and off the scrap heap.

 

The defense needs another LB and could use another Edge since Clark’s health issues seem to be severely limiting him.  They also need a WR and at least one T.  Coming into the season, it looked very likely that the 2021 season could be a step back while trying to retool the roster, but this rookie class has been a literal game changer.  The team found several players who will absolutely be starters or key rotational players for the next s several seasons at RB, LB, CB, DE, DT, and P, and we still don’t know what we have with our third round T who opted out (and was rehabbing from surgery anyway).  They’re also high on Keyes at CB for whom they traded back into the seventh round.

 

The team has its nucleus of stars locked up on big contracts, and they just secured low cost players in the draft to supplement them.  Amazingly, one of them has already turned out to be a star, and CEH and Gay have star potential.  I’m very bullish on this team’s ability to remain elite for the foreseeable future.  It’s pretty much the opposite of the Royals in 2004 and 2005 when you knew that there was no way to maintain any type of long term success.

 

 

 

The long term success is about Mahomes........anyone with a top 5 QB is set up for a long period of contention..........and Mahomes has the ability to become the GOAT.

 

But it's very common when you have a bunch of stud playmakers as the Chiefs do now to mistake the level of incoming young players who are protected/propped-up by those playmakers.

 

During the 90's when the Bills had a cast of HOF'ers they routinely drafted late and they seemed to nail tons of later picks.......... but as the playmakers aged it became clear that those guys weren't nearly as impactful as they looked while the playmakers were in their prime.

 

Now........with shorter rookie contracts it's even harder to keep teams together.    

 

Not that the Chiefs haven't drafted well but don't mistake role players for difference makers.

 

[GunnerBill]

4 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

 

The long term success is about Mahomes........anyone with a top 5 QB is set up for a long period of contention..........and Mahomes has the ability to become the GOAT.

 

But it's very common when you have a bunch of stud playmakers as the Chiefs do now to mistake the level of incoming young players who are protected/propped-up by those playmakers.

 

During the 90's when the Bills had a cast of HOF'ers they routinely drafted late and they seemed to nail tons of later picks.......... but as the playmakers aged it became clear that those guys weren't nearly as impactful as they looked while the playmakers were in their prime.

 

Now........with shorter rookie contracts it's even harder to keep teams together.    

 

Not that the Chiefs haven't drafted well but don't mistake role players for difference makers.

 

 

Agreed. And that was my point really about Sneed. I like him, he has had a great rookie year, but how many nickel corners are difference makers in this league? Maybe he moves outside and continues to excel and proves me wrong. I think he could play out there but would be a role player on the boundary not a difference maker.