Diggs after game watching KC ceremony....

[Mark Vader]

27 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Brown would be great to have back with unlimited money available.  But unless he takes a huge pay cut, can't see him back.

This is a possibility.

 

I like John Brown, but he could be a numbers victim.

 

McKenzie won't cost much to keep, Davis will be in his second year, and we have Hodgins waiting in the wings.

[Straight Hucklebuck]

18 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

Well that’s a lot different than a short sentence is it not? 
 

I mean your logic is fairly flawed in terms of separation. None of our WR were consistently creating separation against KC. I’m guessing we need to upgrade Diggs and Beasley as well because of that? 
 

KC has been eaten alive by TE and RB all year in the passing game. Their secondary is severely underrated, they play physical against WR and get away with it. They’ve struggled the most against TE because their LB are not particularly great. I said going into the game Knox was going to need to be relied on heavily because of that, athletically he’s a mismatch for their LB, but he has obvious consistency issues. It seemed the game plan was to get him involved early, but the constant pressure from the Chiefs didn’t give Josh the opportunity to process anything.
 

The team lacked aggressiveness tonight and looked like they were playing scared. McDermott, for the second time this season, couldn’t figure out an answer for KC on defense. I thought they were on to something early but Mahomes escaped a few times and got into a groove. I felt like it was necessary to keep him in the pocket because, like Josh, he causes a lot of damage when improvising. Not that he can’t and won’t shred you from the pocket. Once things started rolling for the Chiefs offensively, and we had to scratch and claw to get down the field, it got out of hand quick. I don’t know on McKenzie, I know he was battling an injury but hasn’t been on the report. I don’t think his 2-3 gadget plays a game change anything here. Although it is puzzling that he wasn’t really experimented with. 
 

Ultimately the Chiefs are in a league of their own. They outplayed us and we don’t matchup well with them. The moment seemed too big and the Bills looked like they were playing at a slower speed than KC the whole time. Some of it is experience, as many of those players have been there before (yes, believe me, it matters) and the other part was just that they’re flat out a better team. 
 

A player like Kyle Dugger or Jeremy Chinn would be extremely useful in combatting Kelce (and any TE for us moving forward). I know there are a few uber athletic linebackers like Z. Collins, JOK, Nick Bolton and then Hamsah Niserildheen (spelling) that’s a hybrid safety type. We also sorely lack a pass rusher than can wreck a game. As much as we can’t take a WR in RD1, I’d love a guy like Kadarius Toney from FL. He would add the speed element to the offense, his stop start ability is next level, and he can play all over. He’s not quite Tyreek Hill, but he reminds me of him slightly. I think that transforms the offense, but I haven’t done as much digging into any other players who may be like that. 
 

The biggest thing, is the staff needs to take pressure off of Josh. He just can’t be the entire offense, it’s not sustainable. He also needs to continue to improve when it comes to taking what the defense gives him. The more he evolves into dink/dunk down the field and then sprinkle in those explosive plays, the easier the game will be for him. It’s one way for him to combat the pressure of having to do absolutely everything for the offense to function. 

We agree then, I don’t disagree with any of that.

 

Unlike Schopp and Bulldog here, I don’t put this nearly as much on Allen. Yes he holds the ball, but he’s trying to do anything he can. If anything, tonight his roll outs to the right cut the field severely and there were no toe taps tonight. I get that it is his dominant hand, but occasionally trying to roll to the left may be something he needs to work on because it gets very predictable to flush pressure that way.

 

Knox has the raw athletic ability, but he doesn’t come through enough. He committed a terrible drop before the interception.

 

Both running backs are <5’10 and run 4.62. Singletary touched the ball way too much, and just when you thought he had been pulled for good, our OC calls an IFormation carry for him on 2nd-3.

 

I don’t why the Bills staff upstairs can’t call down in the second quarter and give the contingencies for Kelce. You didn’t have any Plan B Sean? The Bills did nothing to combat or change that. No jams/chips off the line all night, there he was first drive of the 3rd running free off the line, being “passed off” to Safetys playing 20 yards down the field. Not one adjustment there like you were holding him in check anyways.

 

Also, Tre White really was worked over tonight. Kelce easily bullied him and Hill roasted him, dropped the first pass or he would have had 200 yards tonight. Brown caught him with speed as well the week before. Just something I noticed, not that I want him traded or anything dumb.

Edited January 25, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Rock-A-Bye Beasley]

Maybe he wanted at least two more plays 

[HurlyBurly51]

Jordan and Bulls learning to beat Pistons.  Takes time, but they’ll get there.

[JGMcD2]

16 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

We agree then, I don’t disagree with any of that.

 

Unlike Schopp and Bulldog here, I don’t put this nearly as much on Allen. Yes he holds the ball, but he’s trying to do anything he can. If anything, tonight his roll outs to the right cut the field severely and there were no toe taps tonight. I get that it is his dominant hand, but occasionally trying to roll to the left may be something he needs to work on because it gets very predictable to flush pressure that way.

 

Knox has the raw athletic ability, but he doesn’t come through enough. He committed a terrible drop before the interception.

 

Both running backs are <5’10 and run 4.62. Singletary touched the ball way too much, and just when you thought he had been pulled for good, our OC calls an IFormation carry for him on 2nd-3.

 

I don’t why the Bills staff upstairs can’t call down in the second quarter and give the contingencies for Kelce. You didn’t have any Plan B Sean? The Bills did nothing to combat or change that. No jams/chips off the line all night, there he was first drove of the 3rd running free off the line, being “passed off” to Safetys playing 20 yards down the field. Not one adjustment there like you were holding him in check anyways.

 

Also, Tre White really was worked over tonight. Kelce easily bullied him and hill roasted him, dropped the first pass or he would have had 200 yards tonight. Brown caught him with speed as well the week before. Just something I noticed, not that I want him traded or anything dumb.

You hit the nail on the head with the roll outs. I’m generally not a fan, unless it’s on a broken play. Some seemed to be designed to flow to the right and I just think it severely limits the QB’s options. Josh has progressed enough where he can stand in the pocket, make a read and a throw to either side of the field. Although, I guess his instinct is to roll that way to escape pressure and that’s all he saw today. I still can’t get over how poorly the o-line played. Part of me is wondering if things significantly change if after we went up 9-0 and if Jones had gotten ejected (like he should have, I have no idea why that’s not radioed in by NY) if it would have changed the game. I felt like just 1 more thing needed to break our way to hold the chiefs back, and their best defensive player getting himself tossed might have done it. It’s just pure what- if from me, and probably doesn’t make a difference. 
 

Josh is a stud and is really the only QB in the league that can carry an entire offense by himself, and I’m by no means discounting what Daboll has done with him, but I really feel like Daboll did not put Josh in a position to succeed in any of the playoff games. Any positive plays were a result of Josh making them happen. If he doesn’t make some insane throws against IND before the half we’re 1 and done. Those were purely backyard football plays too.
 

You’re right, I’m wondering if they just accepted that KC was going to score and were expecting the offense to keep pace? I have no clue. I think McDermott has grown so much and this year has done a really good job in all aspects, but he failed today. I still feel strongly he’s a top 3-5 coach in the game, we just DO NOT match up well with KC/he didn’t have an answer/the players seemed like the moment was too big for them. 
 

I was encouraged to see his comments after the game with something along the lines of “everything we do this off-season will be with the mindset of how do we beat that team.” I trust they’ll make the adjustments. I feel like this team was constructed to beat a Brady-type QB and then things changed real quick and Mahomes popped up. Time to adapt to the new standard. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by JGMcD2

[Straight Hucklebuck]

31 minutes ago, JGMcD2 said:

You hit the nail on the head with the roll outs. I’m generally not a fan, unless it’s on a broken play. Some seemed to be designed to flow to the right and I just think it severely limits the QB’s options. Josh has progressed enough where he can stand in the pocket, make a read and a throw to either side of the field. Although, I guess his instinct is to roll that way to escape pressure and that’s all he saw today. I still can’t get over how poorly the o-line played. Part of me is wondering if things significantly change if after we went up 9-0 and if Jones had gotten ejected (like he should have, I have no idea why that’s not radioed in by NY) if it would have changed the game. I felt like just 1 more thing needed to break our way to hold the chiefs back, and their best defensive player getting himself tossed might have done it. It’s just pure what- if from me, and probably doesn’t make a difference. 
 

Josh is a stud and is really the only QB in the league that can carry an entire offense by himself, and I’m by no means discounting what Daboll has done with him, but I really feel like Daboll did not put Josh in a position to succeed in any of the playoff games. Any positive plays were a result of Josh making them happen. If he doesn’t make some insane throws against IND before the half we’re 1 and done. Those were purely backyard football plays too.
 

You’re right, I’m wondering if they just accepted that KC was going to score and were expecting the offense to keep pace? I have no clue. I think McDermott has grown so much and this year has done a really good job in all aspects, but he failed today. I still feel strongly he’s a top 3-5 coach in the game, we just DO NOT match up well with KC/he didn’t have an answer/the players seemed like the moment was too big for them. 
 

I was encouraged to see his comments after the game with something along the lines of “everything we do this off-season will be with the mindset of how do we beat that team.” I trust they’ll make the adjustments. I feel like this team was constructed to beat a Brady-type QB and then things changed real quick and Mahomes popped up. Time to adapt to the new standard. 

I can’t think of the Quarterback, but a few years ago the Film mavens picked up on the fact that this Quarterback could not throw to one side of the field. And so the coverage always tilted to that side of the field and forced the play that way.

 

Does that mean Dawkins allowed pressure from the left all night? Really I saw both ends crashing constantly and Jones was up the middle as well.

 

It’s a survival tactic that Allen has developed and it has worked, but 100% agree without Davis saving the first half for the Bills with three outstanding white line work catches, the Bills possibly lose vs Indianapolis.

 

I feel like when Allen has time he stands in the pocket and delivers. It’s just he doesn’t ever escape to his left, he only goes right. And defenses know this by now. You’re not going to get miracle sideline toe drags every game. The margins are so small.

 

This forces the conversation back to Tight End. Diggs had been the Safety blanket up until that point. But tonight without motion, without changing his formation, he was like Sammy Watkins was with the Bills, lined up on the outside and forgotten about. 
 

If the Bills could get a move Tight End (Jonnu Smith a free agent) that would help and put Knox as a sprinkle player, not a starter.

 

I always said this about Fitzpatrick, but I thought he’d be best served hitting the weight room and getting into the best shape he possibly could while he was here. No I never thought he was the answer but I thought it would give the team the best chance to win if he could extract every ounce of athleticism he could.

 

Allen has the athletic floor. I’m sure he trains hard. I hope this off-season he gets into the best shape of his life, shaves another 0.10 off his (40). We saw what track workouts did for McCaffrey in 2019, maybe he can tap into that regimen. But another 6’6” QB Herbert is going to have the same problems with the pressure that KC brings because his weapons aren’t warp speed either.

 

So if I’m Allen it’s not all mental. Can he extract a little more on the physical end?

 

Beane was watching this game from the box. He saw the speed deficiency. He saw no pass rush. He saw a rotating band at #2 cornerback. He saw our lack of linebacker depth, the reliance on 30-year old WRs, our running backs. 
 

We know he is aggressive in the draft and smart in free agency, especially when it comes to the OLine. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[ngbills]

This could be a road block. Or this could be the top of the mountain. Hard to say. Bills looked lost in the playoffs on offense. Hoping alllen takes it in and gets better. Yes it is on Allen. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

2 minutes ago, ngbills said:

This could be a road block. Or this could be the top of the mountain. Hard to say. Bills looked lost in the playoffs on offense. Hoping alllen takes it in and gets better. Yes it is on Allen. 

Allen fought his guts out. With the type of linear improvement he had shown going from 10-20-37 TD’s I think he can achieve it.

 

Like I said in my previous post, we know he is going to work on technique, the film study, but in addition I wonder if he can extract a bit more athletic ability out of that body. Just get into the best shape he’s ever been in. Be even more elusive, quicker on runs, twitchy, and start being able to roll left instead of always going right to avoid pressure.

[ngbills]

And why the f was yeldin like 25% of our offense 

2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Allen fought his guts out. With the type of linear improvement he had shown going from 10-20-37 TD’s I think he can achieve it.

 

Like I said in my previous post, we know he is going to work on technique, the film study, but in addition I wonder if he can extract a bit more athletic ability out of that body. Just get into the best shape he’s ever been in. Be even more elusive, quicker on runs, twitchy, and start being able to roll left instead of always going right to avoid pressure.

Hence my post. Allen at his peak may not be good enough. I hope not but a possibility. Not all on Allen. But we got smacked down tonight. Not even close as scoreboard showed. 

[Richard Noggin]

47 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

 

Both running backs are <5’10 and run 4.62. Singletary touched the ball way too much, and just when you thought he had been pulled for good, our OC calls an IFormation carry for him on 2nd-3.

 

 

That play call was so terribly representative of Daboll's flaws as a play caller. Now of course, Brian Daboll designs and installs an effective, modern NFL offense. But in the heat of a game against aggressive and multiple opponents, Daboll's sequencing and the marrying of the run and the pass seems to get really disjointed at times. Like he can attack a specifically targeted weakness, repeatedly, when his otherworldly QB is dealing, but he struggles to call a balanced game that helps to keep the defense OFF balance when things tighten up. 

 

They didn't have answers tonight to the multiple questions posed by an aggressive Spagnuolo attack. 

[Nick the Greek]

Everyone admiring this. 
 

The WHOLE team is in the locker room and he stays out to watch the Chiefs. Good for him and all but this is NOT A GOOD LOOK. 

[Straight Hucklebuck]

18 minutes ago, ngbills said:

And why the f was yeldin like 25% of our offense 

Hence my post. Allen at his peak may not be good enough. I hope not but a possibility. Not all on Allen. But we got smacked down tonight. Not even close as scoreboard showed. 

Well KC with Reid, Mahomes, Hill, Kelce and to a lesser extent Hardman are hard to stop.

 

But one advantage that Allen does have is he is a legitimate dual threat QB. He is bigger and faster than Mahomes, and faster in game speed than Herbert. 

 

He’s avoided any knee injuries in 3-years unlike Watson, so my thought is, can he work the track sprinter type regimen that Christian McCaffrey did in his 2019 season, cut up, and improve his explosion and pure speed?

 

It may be one edge that is available without having to develop another gear mentally or accept that he is at his athletic peak.

 

Just a thought, maybe where some would say that’s the last thing he needs to work on. This is something he can do at the same time as the technique work.

 

Oh and work on fumble drills too man. The ball hits the turf a lot. 

Edited January 25, 2021 by Straight Hucklebuck

[Nick the Greek]

1 hour ago, Locomark said:

I really like this. If I were the Bills HC, I may have had my whole team stand at the 20 yard line and watch the whole thing... sorry but even pro athletes need to see this sometimes.... 

I really like this. If I were the Bills HC, I may have had my whole team stand at the 20 yard line and watch the whole thing... sorry but even pro athletes need to see this sometimes.... 

I really like this. If I were the Bills HC, I may have had my whole team stand at the 20 yard line and watch the whole thing... sorry but even pro athletes need to see this sometimes.... 

I really like this. If I were the Bills HC, I may have had my whole team stand at the 20 yard line and watch the whole thing... sorry but even pro athletes need to see this sometimes.... 

I really hope Terry Pegula see this post and hires you. Lord knows he isn’t the stupid. 

[Mr. K]

He was a ghost today. Didn't seem like anybody was working their way back to Allen. I feel like the just got beat. The chiefs were better then the bills today. Need some help on the  defensive line and the secondary. The offense could use a playmaker or 2. If we want to get back here next year everybody has to improve.

[Motorin']

1 minute ago, Mr. K said:

He was a ghost today. Didn't seem like anybody was working their way back to Allen. I feel like the just got beat. The chiefs were better then the bills today. Need some help on the  defensive line and the secondary. The offense could use a playmaker or 2. If we want to get back here next year everybody has to improve.

 

It seemed like he was often running his routes at 3/4 speed and giving up during scramble drills. 

[ganesh]

2 hours ago, BillnutinHouston said:

If he wants greatness he must catch catchable balls in critical games.

he did

[Figster]

 

 

Not sure If this has been posted anywhere yet.

[Devilmann]

Wish Allen was out there with him. 

[ExiledInIllinois]

Why didn't the Chiefs invite him over.  To be standing so far away and alone?

[Sweats]

Maybe he just wanted to see what a winner looks like