Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 Competitiveness aside Stafford is just not as intelligent as Allen (or Brady or Manning). Might be that simple. He’s not a star of the mental side of the game. 1 1
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: Competitiveness aside Stafford is just not as intelligent as Allen (or Brady or Manning). Might be that simple. He’s not a star of the mental side of the game. I think it is that more than competitiveness that he lacks. It is that intelligence... not just the football intelligence but the emotional intelligence to really be that leader that a dysfunctional franchise like Detroit needs and has needed. I wonder how different his career would have turned out if he had been drafted by someone like Pittsburgh or Baltimore or even at the time the Eagles with Reid where there was already a direction and leadership in the organisation. Now I know it is rare a #1 pick gets that and it is one of the pitfalls of going early in the draft - you generally are going into dysfunctional situations. I think you compare Stafford to his big mate Matt Ryan who went a year earlier to Atlanta with stable ownership and a GM and Head coach with a direction. Okay there have been some down years in Atlanta, especially recently, but Ryan has had 6 playoff seasons, he has had a Superbowl run and he won an MVP. I think personality wise he and Stafford are similar. I think talent wise Stafford is probably more talented. Ryan, especially early, was part of a well run organisation. Detroit has been almost constant drama and dysfunction. Again I don't think Stafford gets a pass, that isn't my argument.... but I don't think he is to blame for the dysfunction. He just isn't good enough mentally to be the leader that helps overcome it. 2
Coach Tuesday Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 10 hours ago, FireChans said: About a little less than half the time. Matt Stafford in the AFC South or the NFC East probably has 4-5 division titles. You think the Lions would’ve won substantially fewer games with a replacement-talent-level QB? No way.
GunnerBill Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: When people describe competitors they talk about people who are always like that.......all game and every game.................not just when certain decisive circumstances ignite it. When provoked Rob Johnson was a beast...........he simply couldn't bring it game in and game out.......though he often would heat up in the clutch late in games. But Johnson really hated Flutie. That Johnson versus Flutie game in San Diego was fantastic. Johnson was possessed..........and he had Flutie beat.........but for........terrible kick coverage at the end! Again. After Jon Gruden saw that game he said he had to have Rob Johnson on his team..........and that's how Rojo got his SB ring. I get it. I just think it is the head rather than the heart where Stafford is truly lacking.
KGun12TD Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 13 hours ago, Success said: ANYWHERE but New England. Pretty please, with sprinkles and all the fixins. are we still afraid of those Cheaters?
spartacus Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 11 hours ago, Doc Brown said: So, the kneecap speech couldn't repair things I guess. I'm guessing Watson won't waive his no trade clause to go to the Lions. notice his decision was announced immediately after Lynn was hired as OC
Doc Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 10 hours ago, Buffalo Timmy said: I am not sure why so many are afraid of him going to NE. They have no talent at the skill positions and while he is good he has not shown the ability to elevate a team. If he goes to NE so be it, we will kick their butt next year. Yeah, the bloom is now definitely off the Cheaters' rose. And with Stafford having his pick of places to an extent, being the most accomplished QB available (I still don't think Watson is going anywhere), there's no way he chooses the Cheaters, or that the Cheaters offer what Detroit wants in compensation and/or Stafford wants in a contract. As for Stafford himself, he seems like a decent guy. But I never got the sense he wanted it bad enough or was a leader.
FireChans Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 2 hours ago, Coach Tuesday said: You think the Lions would’ve won substantially fewer games with a replacement-talent-level QB? No way. On the whole? Yes. 1
The Jokeman Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 12 hours ago, billsfan89 said: The Colts might be a good fit, not sure where else he could go that would make sense for both parties. I think Campbell is selling the ownership on a 3 year full rebuild. Indy was my first thought since Rivers retired, I can't see Brissett coming back since they turned their backs on him and are drafting too low to get a top QB in the draft
Chewmylegoff Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 I’d be happy with him going to NE - he’s a good player but no more than league average. Average would obviously be an upgrade for them on Newton but hardly a terrifying prospect.
billsfan89 Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 4 hours ago, The Jokeman said: Indy was my first thought since Rivers retired, I can't see Brissett coming back since they turned their backs on him and are drafting too low to get a top QB in the draft Indy is in a tough spot, Stafford puts them right back into the 10+ win range but he won't get them past the divisional round either. But do the Colts want to waste a high quality roster on a young unproven QB? It is a tough spot to be in.
machine gun kelly Posted January 24, 2021 Posted January 24, 2021 19 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Stafford is due $20M next season and $22M the next. He's 33 years old. https://overthecap.com/player/matt-stafford/1060/ Possibly the "arrangement" has to do with signing bonus, which at present would leave Detroit $19M in dead cap after a trade. I would say maybe Colts, but depends upon what exactly Detroit wants for him. Indy would make the most sense. He’s only 33, he played behind a crap line and skill players for the most part. Indy has some $, they are a winner with good coaching and Mgmt, and a line he could throw a ton. If they get him, they are a serious contender. I’m less worried about the Jets or Pats with Stafford their. Indy will keep moving north. Reich has done a tremendous job. I guess I’m biased, but he’s going to be known in the next 10 years as a top AFC Coach.
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 I think he's going to be a Colt. Makes too much sense
NewEra Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I think he's going to be a Colt. Makes too much sense Colt or patriot.
Success Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 I have a hunch we'll be playing him twice a year now.
Doc Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 3 minutes ago, Success said: I have a hunch we'll be playing him twice a year now. Not worried. 1
Buffalo03 Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 Why would people be afraid of Stafford going to NE? It's Stafford, he's better than Newton but that's about it
YoloinOhio Posted January 30, 2021 Posted January 30, 2021 6 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: Why would people be afraid of Stafford going to NE? It's Stafford, he's better than Newton but that's about it Not scared of playing anyone except mahomes. Period. 1
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