Rochesterfan Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Regardless what happens in the AFC title game or hopefully the Super Bowl and with Star returning to the dline after the opt out ...it’s obvious we need a little more offensive balance and I’m just going with Najee here and going to enjoy seeing him hammer on guys in the 4th quarter of close games I will wait until after FA to decide, but unless we find the space to re-sign LBs and get younger DE’s, I would rather go about 5 other positions before picking a RB in round 1. I think all 3 levels on defense, OL, and TE are all ahead of RB for need/wants. The Bills have spent 3rd round picks on RB in consecutive years - that is enough investment - they have a pretty good level and idea of value/return in today’s NFL. 1
GunnerBill Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Utah John said: What's holding back our running game is the O line, which is designed intentionally to be great at pass protection (which it is). Very few can do both really well, and that generally involves very high priced players, which is not how this team is put together. And I wouldn't have it any other way. It's a passing league and rushing can't get you through every challenge -- just ask the Browns and Ravens. The Browns have three O line starters as All-Pro but that didn't help them keep up with KC. The Ravens showed it's possible to take even Derrick Henry out of a game. And then the Bills showed it's possible to take the Ravens running game out of a game. If you can't pass protect, you can't pass; and if you can't pass, you can't win. It is a combination of the fact that the line is built to pass block - and you are right guys who can do both at a high level also come at a high price - and our running backs are pretty average. They can play, they are not bums but there is no special in either of them. But it doesn't matter. The Bills are a passing team. I don't want the ball taken out of Allen's hands. 1
78thealltimegreat Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 34 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: Did it? He was pretty terrible for half the season, certainly didn't live up to the hype You realize the reason the Colts where in the playoffs is cause he went off for 253 yards in the final game of the year right? 1
Mountain Man Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 11 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: The man who was third in the NFL in rushing? Yea he lived up to it plenty. He was a beast the second half of the year and the reason he wasn't the first half was they didn't give him the ball. The difference is the Colts need a running game. They have an 87 year old Quarterback. The Bills don't. Behind arguably the best O line in football he had a worse yards per attempt than Ronald Jones.
GunnerBill Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: Behind arguably the best O line in football he had a worse yards per attempt than Ronald Jones. His ypa attempt was still 5 yards. Not like he was just a high volume guy like the Bears kid. You are wrong about Taylor. He is a stud. 3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Has nothing to do with ground and pound the three other QBs left all have way better running games...Basically Josh right now is John Elway a one man offense even the Ravens D said he reminded them of Elway In the NFL you can't have great everything. I wouldn't swap our secondary for Green Bay's. I wouldn't swap our receivers for Green Bay's. They have a better oline and better running backs.... it is the NFL in 2020. 1
78thealltimegreat Posted January 19, 2021 Author Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: His ypa attempt was still 5 yards. Not like he was just a high volume guy like the Bears kid. You are wrong about Taylor. He is a stud. I think many are having Rex Ryan flashbacks the simple fact is we need a little more balance and the backs we have just aren’t between the tackles runners
Charles Romes Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Nihilarian said: What so many current Bills fans forget is while the Bills had QB Jim Kelly and WRs Andre Reed, James Lofton, Don Beebe to run the K-gun / no huddle offenses. The biggest threat the team had was Thurman Thomas running and catching as he was around 70% of the Bills offense in those days. Most of those 90's glory years the Bills ran the ball more than they threw it. With a top RB this team would be unstoppable. Take a long look at the 2020 13-3 Green Bay Packers 9th in passing yards-8th in rushing yards, yet 24th in passing attempts with the #1 scoring offense. Balance! add to that Kenneth Davis who was a #1 quality back if he ever needed to carry the load, but would “only” chip in 8-12 carries and a few important receptions a game. 1
njbuff Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 Right now I’m looking at Rondale Moore WR from Purdue and Penn St. TE Pat Freiermuth early in the draft.
JaCrispy Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 3 hours ago, BruceVilanch said: I think RB is definitely a need, but I wouldn't be onboard with a RB in the first. I think Moss is going to find his footing next year and progress nicely, Motor definitely took a step back with his YPC this year, but if he could get back to form I think we would be OK going into next year with our guys and a mid round draft pick for our RBs. But if he falls to us at the end of the draft I would jump on him because he would for sure be BPA at that draft spot. Singletary will never be anything more than a serviceable backup imo...he’s slow, he’s small, can’t get to the edge and has very little power...I actually see him as holding our offense back from truly being a high powered juggernaut... 1
Rock-A-Bye Beasley Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 Etienne would be more enticing to me, but I think there will be a good pass rusher available when we pick in the late first. Even late first round is too soon for a RB. Jason Oweh DE from Penn State has all the tools and could be eased into the lineup behind Hughes/Epenesa for a year. another option is S Nasirildeen from Florida State. He could replace Milano or play as a big nickel 1
Real McClappy Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 We are a passing 1st team and the combo of Moss/Motor rushed for 1168yds and caught another 364yds. The combo gave us 1532yds total at the position on a passing team. I don't get the obsession with a high rd RB draft pick for our team when the combo of the 2 is high level RB1 numbers. Again, on a passing first team. 2 3
Mountain Man Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 23 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: His ypa attempt was still 5 yards. Not like he was just a high volume guy like the Bears kid. You are wrong about Taylor. He is a stud. I'm not saying he isn't, but he has a lot to prove in the NFL. His 1st season was mixed. Even Trent Richardson looked good for 1 season
GunnerBill Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Mountain Man said: I'm not saying he isn't, but he has a lot to prove in the NFL. His 1st season was mixed. Even Trent Richardson looked good for 1 season If a ypa below 4 is looking good, sure.
mannc Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 42 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Good so let the same people choose another one is the answer? What makes you so sure they'd find someone who could this time? Just stop picking running backs early. This team will live and die on Josh Allen's arm and playing good situational defense for the next 15 years. I'll leave all you "ground and pounders" to reminisce about the days of Rex Ryan and Anthony Lynn. My word 7-9 felt good. Green Bay picked up Dillon in the sixth, I think... Unfortunately, we haven’t chosen very well at RB, but it’s an easy problem to fix.
GunnerBill Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 Just now, mannc said: Green Bay picked up Dillon in the sixth, I think... Unfortunately, we haven’t chosen very well at RB, but it’s an easy problem to fix. Dillon? He was a second rounder. Jones they picked in the 5th if that is who you meant.... if the Bills want to spend a late day 3 pick on a back I have no issue. Personally I'd try and do a priority UDFA / 6th / 7th rounder on a speed back who maybe wasn't a workhorse in college. But if they spend more day 1 and day 2 capital on one I will be miffed. 3 1
mannc Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Dillon? He was a second rounder. Jones they picked in the 5th if that is who you meant.... if the Bills want to spend a late day 3 pick on a back I have no issue. Personally I'd try and do a priority UDFA / 6th / 7th rounder on a speed back who maybe wasn't a workhorse in college. But if they spend more day 1 and day 2 capital on one I will be miffed. Ahh. Sorry. I thought Dillon was a late-rounder (that’s where he was projected to go). He won’t be there when the Bills pick, but I’d take Etienne in a heartbeat.
GunnerBill Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, mannc said: Ahh. Sorry. I thought Dillon was a late-rounder (that’s where he was projected to go). He won’t be there when the Bills pick, but I’d take Etienne in a heartbeat Where in the first? I think Etienne is more of a fit in an outside zone scheme. One of the Shanahan teams for me. He'd be a nice pick up for the Jets who have capital and are transitioning with LaFleur to that stretch zone Shanahan scheme.
HOUSE Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 When I really like a player I use a pen without an eraser 2
T master Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 He would be a nice get he has the frame to add a little weight he is 6'2" 229 lbs he would be awesome especially on the goal line and a real good complimentary back to motor a totally different RB could even at times be used as a FB in certain circumstances ... I'm in ! Make it happen BB !
Rochesterfan Posted January 19, 2021 Posted January 19, 2021 19 minutes ago, HOUSE said: When I really like a player I use a pen without an eraser You should really try carving in stone. LOL 1
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