Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: Well for one, the inept Capitol Police Department, but ultimately the person who killed another person. When BLM approached the sitting President wouldn't allow them near the Capital. What changed?
SoCal Deek Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: When BLM approached the sitting President wouldn't allow them near the Capital. What changed? You tell me? I thought BLM were in front of the White House. You are aware they’re not the same place, right?
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, Niagara Bill said: Today will be seen in history as the day the republican party died and the rise of the republican/qanon party began. The largest change in US political history since the Civil Rights Act. Politicians voting out of fear for their job which is only suppose to be temporary. Where is the bravery of Davey Crockett, Teddy Roosevelt, Richard Nixon, Harry Truman, Abe Lincoln. Hope it all works out. I don't know. I think what happened at the Capitol is going to prevent that from happening. It's going to be hard to overcome that.
Doc Brown Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Hopefully enough Senate votes to make sure no lame duck president ever attempts this bs again. Most votes to convict a president ever I believe.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 14 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: No. 0-2 because Democrats are weak. Trump got them worked up. Trump wanted them to enter the Capitol. What he didn't expect was people getting killed. People died in the Capitol. Who's responsible? Perspective is a strange thing. Trump, a guy folks have criticized as bombastic, ignorant, shoot from the hip and a say anything guy, complains loudly and bitterly about a stolen election. The Dems in power— the leaders of the liberal crowd complained loudly and bitterly of an illegitimate presidency set up by the Rooskies in 2016, using at time far harsher rhetoric to inspire their supporters. The Dems lost both times they impeached, and the one time they set the power of the govt out to crush some ties. As so often happens with Trump, the argument seems to be that suddenly Trump is so keenly brilliant and cunning, that he conspires with fringe elements to storm the freaking Capitol, using code words like “peaceful” and leaving no apparent direct evidence of his involvement. Then, in a move you really could only write in a Hollywood script, he’s taken to task not in a court of law for the OBVIOUS call to storm the Capitol (as claimed by Dems), they decide to press the issue in a largely symbolic gesture that ultimately means..nothing. The story now seems to be that politics only came in to okay during the vote, and that the senators who voted to acquit are co-conspirators a d also wanted the Capitol breached. It’s preposterous. History will show that in two clearly partisan attempts to suppress the votes of millions of non-dem voters, with virtually all the cards in their hand, they failed. History will show that I the multi-year Mueller inv, with incredible power, and unlimited power and very few restrictions, they failed. I know you consider yourself an independent distrust of both parties, and I respect that. I can understand hated of Trump but allowing the party in power to destroy by innuendo is not the answer and assures only more of the same. I can understand wanting Trump out. I’ll say again what I said to some of my frenemies here— if there is evidence of Trump conspiring, aiding or abetting the terrorists who stormed the Capitol, handle it in the court of law away from cameras, politicians then hallowed halls of Congress where back room deals and screwing the public is the soup du jour. Prosecution. Defense. Witnesses. Juries. This was an explosion in the freak show at a circus, for the second time. 1
B-Man Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Back to the REAL subject.............. TRUMP 2, IMPEACHMENT 0. The Democrats have converted impeachment from a measure of “high crimes and misdemeanors” to simply an indicator that the House of Representatives is controlled by the opposition party. Once again, people claiming to stand up in favor of institutions and traditions against Donald Trump have actually wrecked those institutions and traditions out of pique. This has done lasting damage to the Republic, and they don’t care. They never care. As I told my twentysomething Con Law students, they have now lived through 75% of America’s presidential impeachments. Of course, if they were one year old, they would still have lived through 50%. That’s not normal, and the source of the abnormality isn’t Trump. by Glenn Reynolds 2
WideNine Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You tell me? I thought BLM were in front of the White House. You are aware they’re not the same place, right? Nice retort. As much as I think there are policing issues and changes needed in this nation (there are). I also believe those changes go beyond the artificially narrow scope of politicized racism. ...and not every topic or political discussion needs to be drawn into that gravity well to stand on its own pros and cons merits. Not saying it is not worthy of discussion, just that some try too hard to shoe-horn it into every thread.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: You tell me? I thought BLM were in front of the White House. You are aware they’re not the same place, right? Come on. Don't play that game. You know what the President said and did when BLM was protesting. One could argue he incited them as well with his divisive bully talk. Terrible President.
Unforgiven Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 19 minutes ago, WideNine said: Fixed. Aquited by our Senate does not mean not guilty of everything he did to lie about an election he lost and then used as a pretext to foment a violent insurrection that killed people. Maybe folks should visit that DC cop's family and see how they feel about your orange conman getting off the hook. Maybe someone should go and visit all the burned out businesses and the families of all the people murdered and hurt by blm rioting. Edited February 13, 2021 by Unforgiven 1
SoCal Deek Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Come on. Don't play that game. You know what the President said and did when BLM was protesting. One could argue he incited them as well with his divisive bully talk. Terrible President. Give it up. Some of you need both a civics and geography lesson. I’ll try it again...you are aware that the President doesn’t work at the Capitol, correct? They aren’t the same place.
Buffalo_Stampede Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said: Give it up. Some of you need both a civics and geography lesson. I’ll try it again...you are aware that the President doesn’t work at the Capitol, correct? They aren’t the same place. I honestly don't know what point you're trying to make.
WideNine Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 8 minutes ago, Unforgiven said: Maybe someone should go and visit all the burned out businesses and the families of all the people murdered and hurt by blm rioting. Thanks for not being predictable.
Unforgiven Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, WideNine said: Thanks for not being predictable. facts and truth. so hurtful ain't they 1
Buffarukus Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 (edited) 29 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: When BLM approached the sitting President wouldn't allow them near the Capital. What changed? i love the argument that this government is taken by surprise by anyone. if you believe snowden and anything in the patriot act then they can tap into any phone text or website. yet.. "what is this parlar app?" "is this where the PLANS were made?" " we must BEGIN to watch for this for a protest organized by the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. so either they fully knew about EVERY riot, every plan and every participant and allowed it..again or the fbi/cia was caught off guard and has been proven to be the most inept organizations when it comes to domestic security on the planet. Edited February 13, 2021 by Buffarukus
oldmanfan Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Reporters should ask everyone who voted no if their vote would have changed if the trial took place before Jan 20.
WideNine Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 Just now, Unforgiven said: facts and truth. so hurtful ain't they The fact that every time you point out the DC insurrection the blindly obedient Trump cult says, "....but, but what about the riots?" As if me, or anyone else, support rioters getting off the legal hook. He was the President, he should have acted like one instead of a spoiled rich boy who has never been told, "You lost, suck it up and get over it". Yes your predictably blind excuse-making for that glorified criminal carnival barker is painfully pathetic.
Backintheday544 Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 36 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Perspective is a strange thing. Trump, a guy folks have criticized as bombastic, ignorant, shoot from the hip and a say anything guy, complains loudly and bitterly about a stolen election. The Dems in power— the leaders of the liberal crowd complained loudly and bitterly of an illegitimate presidency set up by the Rooskies in 2016, using at time far harsher rhetoric to inspire their supporters. The Dems lost both times they impeached, and the one time they set the power of the govt out to crush some ties. As so often happens with Trump, the argument seems to be that suddenly Trump is so keenly brilliant and cunning, that he conspires with fringe elements to storm the freaking Capitol, using code words like “peaceful” and leaving no apparent direct evidence of his involvement. Then, in a move you really could only write in a Hollywood script, he’s taken to task not in a court of law for the OBVIOUS call to storm the Capitol (as claimed by Dems), they decide to press the issue in a largely symbolic gesture that ultimately means..nothing. The story now seems to be that politics only came in to okay during the vote, and that the senators who voted to acquit are co-conspirators a d also wanted the Capitol breached. It’s preposterous. History will show that in two clearly partisan attempts to suppress the votes of millions of non-dem voters, with virtually all the cards in their hand, they failed. History will show that I the multi-year Mueller inv, with incredible power, and unlimited power and very few restrictions, they failed. I know you consider yourself an independent distrust of both parties, and I respect that. I can understand hated of Trump but allowing the party in power to destroy by innuendo is not the answer and assures only more of the same. I can understand wanting Trump out. I’ll say again what I said to some of my frenemies here— if there is evidence of Trump conspiring, aiding or abetting the terrorists who stormed the Capitol, handle it in the court of law away from cameras, politicians then hallowed halls of Congress where back room deals and screwing the public is the soup du jour. Prosecution. Defense. Witnesses. Juries. This was an explosion in the freak show at a circus, for the second time. You do understand that this has been the most partisan impeachment in the history of the country right?
Beast Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 There will be more impeachment attempts on President Trump when he takes the Oval Office back in January of 2025.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 10 minutes ago, Backintheday544 said: You do understand that this has been the most partisan impeachment in the history of the country right? Yes, most partisan impeachment(s) in the history of the country, and both failed in/at the senate because of it. Are we arguing?
Backintheday544 Posted February 13, 2021 Posted February 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said: Yes, most partisan impeachment(s) in the history of the country, and both failed in/at the senate because of it. Are we arguing? l don’t think you understand what partisan and bi-partisan means.
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