Niagara Bill Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 13 hours ago, Irv said: Can't we just move on? It's been 4 years of this nonsense. Trump has destroyed whatever he had left of a legacy. This is only going to create more division and potential violence. Give it up. Should they have moved on from Benedict Arnold? Trump not only helped create a riot, he praised it, people were killed, he wouldn't even fly the flag at half staff for respect, he pushed his followers to threaten the VP, he accused people across the country of criminal activities without one ounce of proof, he threatened people like a mobster across state lines ( which was taped), and wanted a coup (not over yet). Yes it creates division to charge him, but the country has to decided what they want to be. A symbol of law order and democracy, or revert back to the wild west and Civil War times.
TBBills Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 (edited) Let's not forget Trump decided zero security for his violent rally also, he knew what he was doing. Refused to call in the national guard. Edited January 13, 2021 by TBBills
SoCal Deek Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, TBBills said: Let's not forget Trump decided zero security for his violent rally also, he knew what he was doing. Refused to call in the national guard. I thought you didn’t want him to call in the national guard this past summer. This blatant hypocrisy is really confusing. 1
Doc Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 Just now, SoCal Deek said: I thought you didn’t want him to call in the national guard this past summer. This blatant hypocrisy is really confusing. Not really. 1
TBBills Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: I thought you didn’t want him to call in the national guard this past summer. This blatant hypocrisy is really confusing. Can you show me where I once said that.
SoCal Deek Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 2 minutes ago, Doc said: Not really. Please don’t tell me I have to put the word ‘sarcasm’ after every post. 😉 1 minute ago, TBBills said: Can you show me where I once said that. TB...I’m not on here 24/7. I really don’t have time to research all of your posts. The point still stands, and you know it. 1
TBBills Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 5 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Please don’t tell me I have to put the word ‘sarcasm’ after every post. 😉 TB...I’m not on here 24/7. I really don’t have time to research all of your posts. The point still stands, and you know it. No it doesn't, I never said that. Never once did.
Backintheday544 Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 Well if Mitch is aboard, impeachment and conviction is now a foregone conclusion.
Buddo Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 Trump is in deep doo doo this time. It wasn't just one side of the political divide that was forced to scurry for cover, when Trump wound up his clockwork soldiers and pointed them at the Capitol. Mobs generally, are not known to be very discriminating, and the people stuck in the Capitol building, are going to be only too aware of that. Prior to the events at the Capitol, the Democrats might have had a very slim chance of the required majority in the Senate, to impeach Trump. Now, I think it's almost a done deal, and it's Trump's own fault. 1
SoCal Deek Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 1 hour ago, TBBills said: No it doesn't, I never said that. Never once did. So you wanted the Governors to use the National Guard to clear out Portland? If so, I stand corrected.
Tiberius Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, Backintheday544 said: Well if Mitch is aboard, impeachment and conviction is now a foregone conclusion. He isn't aboard, he just isn't going to stand in the way. This is still Trump's GOP and they will not vote to convict
WEATHER DOT COM Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 43 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: So you wanted the Governors to use the National Guard to clear out Portland? If so, I stand corrected. This is a different event, is it not? To equate both is something an anti-mask moron would do... oh wait
Tiberius Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 2 hours ago, BillStime said: Hard to argue that those involved in that were not helping organize a riot and mayhem and murder
BillStime Posted January 13, 2021 Author Posted January 13, 2021 Calls for unity without consequences is the equivalent of “thoughts and prayers” Congress now knows the fear of American school kids 2
SoTier Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 18 hours ago, Irv said: Can't we just move on? It's been 4 years of this nonsense. Trump has destroyed whatever he had left of a legacy. This is only going to create more division and potential violence. Give it up. Appeasement has proven to be a such a successful strategy for dealing with a national or international bully!
Tiberius Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 This is the GOP. A moral degenerate like "See no evil" Jordan speaking out against people with decency Rep. Jim Jordan says Rep. Liz Cheney should be removed from No. 3 House GOP post after calling for Trump’s impeachment By Mike DeBonis and Felicia Sonmez Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) speaks during a House debate session Jan. 6. (Handout/Getty Images) Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), one of Trump’s staunchest defenders on Capitol Hill, called Wednesday for the ouster of Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) from her role as the No. 3 House Republican leader after Cheney threw her support behind efforts to impeach the president. “I think she’s wrong,” Jordan told reporters at the Capitol on Wednesday morning. Asked about the possible removal of Cheney as House Republican Conference chair, Jordan replied that House Republicans “ought to vote on that.” On Tuesday night, Cheney became the highest-ranking Republican to announce her support for impeaching Trump. “The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence,” Cheney said in a statement. “He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States to his office and his oath to the Constitution.” “I will vote to impeach the President,” she said.
Plano Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tiberius said: This is the GOP. A moral degenerate like "See no evil" Jordan speaking out against people with decency Rep. Jim Jordan says Rep. Liz Cheney should be removed from No. 3 House GOP post after calling for Trump’s impeachment By Mike DeBonis and Felicia Sonmez Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio) speaks during a House debate session Jan. 6. (Handout/Getty Images) Rep. Jim Jordan (R-Ohio), one of Trump’s staunchest defenders on Capitol Hill, called Wednesday for the ouster of Rep. Liz Cheney (R-Wyo.) from her role as the No. 3 House Republican leader after Cheney threw her support behind efforts to impeach the president. “I think she’s wrong,” Jordan told reporters at the Capitol on Wednesday morning. Asked about the possible removal of Cheney as House Republican Conference chair, Jordan replied that House Republicans “ought to vote on that.” On Tuesday night, Cheney became the highest-ranking Republican to announce her support for impeaching Trump. “The President could have immediately and forcefully intervened to stop the violence,” Cheney said in a statement. “He did not. There has never been a greater betrayal by a President of the United States to his office and his oath to the Constitution.” “I will vote to impeach the President,” she said. Jim Jordan is such a little ***** it's not even funny. 1
Motorin' Posted January 13, 2021 Posted January 13, 2021 14 hours ago, BillsToast said: I don't remember him telling them to riot or take over Congress. I do remember him doing his talking points: 1. Robbed during and election 2. We're the same so they are stealing from you and more blah blah blah stuff Was there something else I missed? I ask sincerely. By that definition anything could be considered incitement so I want clarity not guilt by association. I think Trump is always very careful about is words. No, he never said break into the Capitol and violently bring the certification to a halt. If he had, that would have been much more than inciting a riot. That would have ben an act of sedition. What he did was the political equivalent of shouting "Fire!" in a crowed theater. The person yelling fire could argue that they didn't tell anyone to trample each other to death as they freaked out to evacuate... But you can't incite a riot by yelling Fire in a crowed theater, that's how people die. Trump set the conditions of the riot by organizing the event and whipping the crowd into a frenzy, and apparently Don Jr. was worse. Giuliani urged "Trial by Combat." But the inciting of a riot didn't stop there. As the crowds were breaching the Capitol Trump tweeted out "Mike Pence didn't have the courage to do what should have been done to protect our Country and our Constitution, giving States a chance to certify a corrected set of facts, not the fraudulent or inaccurate ones which they were asked to previously certify. USA demands the truth!" As they were breaking down the doors on live TV, that is what he told them. And the Trump mob that had been told over and over that Pence was going to change the results of the election start chanting "Hang Mike Pence! Hang Mike Pence," while they are breaking into the chamber that Mike Pence is in. Please watch this review that has some of the most comprehensive video of what happened, and if you still want to hold that that Trump holds no responsibility for inciting these actions, then at least you've seen the whole picture and have come to that conclusion: https://www.msnbc.com/all-in/watch/chris-99178053752 1
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